Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?

[hobelim]

Okay, so you're guilty of taking part of the Law literally and the rest of it figuratively so you don't get in trouble with your HOA for sacrificing animals in your back yard.

Seriously? And some people do not believe that sinners are still bound by the eternal Law of God or that they die "the death" when they violate the Divine commands whether they are a believer unbeliever Catholic or Protestant.

 

[alang1216]

Not exactly. Some scholars believe that the story of the woman caught in adultery, including this verse, might not be in its original location within the Gospel of John, though they still consider it authentic

As much as I consider myself a seeker of truth and historical accuracy, this a case where I'd say it doesn't matter. If Jesus didn't say it, he should have. I'm just glad that somehow it ended up in the Bible.

 

[BreezeWood]

Pilate executed Jesus for sedition, for claiming to be a king, which was a threat to the authority of Caesar.

the itinerant was crucified for their courage not to answer any of the allegations made against him - liest of which pilate's claim not withstanding the true reason for their accusation to further placate judaism. and the irony pilate surmised for who was never a jew.

 

[ding]

As much as I consider myself a seeker of truth and historical accuracy, this a case where I'd say it doesn't matter. If Jesus didn't say it, he should have. I'm just glad that somehow it ended up in the Bible.

From the limited amount I have read, it wasn’t a question of him saying it or not. It was a question of where it was placed in the gospel. I’m still not seeing anything which questioned if he said it. Everything I have seen says he said it.

 

[BreezeWood]

the desert bibles, desert dwellers use monarchical precepts repudiated during the 1st century to instead worship and live in servitude and denial as a false religion, judaism.

Show me where Jesus taught that.

what was the reason for their crucifixion - certainly not being murdered by the jews for their alleged by christianity support for judaism ... they were both secular and old school religion of antiquity.

 

[alang1216]

From the limited amount I have read, it wasn’t a question of him saying it or not. It was a question of where it was placed in the gospel. I’m still not seeing anything which questioned if he said it. Everything I have seen says he said it.

Except it doesn't appear at all in the earliest versions of John.

 

[hadit]

To fulfill the law is to comply with its demands, The "new" covenant was the same as the old covenant originally taught by Moses. The words of the law are figurative, the subjects hidden and one must dig deep to find it.

No, the new covenant puts us under Jesus grace, not the Law. The Apostles figured this out, apparently you think they were wrong.

This is the Body of Christ, this teaching is "the flesh" of Jesus. No one who does not fulfill the law as Jesus did can have the life promised for compliance in them. "Unless you eat my flesh you can have no life in you."

The subject of Kosher law is not about food. Thats what Jesus was referring to when he said "eat my flesh".

The Law doesn't prevent anyone from doing anything but does warn that if you eat the flesh of unclean creatures that DO NOT RUMINATE you will surely die the death and devolve into an unclean creature that can't RUMINATE.

Same goes for bottom feeders, wolves, vultures, parasites, worms, talking serpents, dogs, teeming vermin who go down on all fours, creepy things that creep, are equivalent to narcissists, sadists, thieves, liars, sorcerers, scumbags, hypocrites, etc. All the creatures described whether clean or unclean represent human archetypes.

Its not rocket science. Kosher law can be summed up by saying if you fill your head with garbage it will defile and contaminate your mind, the seat of your conscious existence and experience of life, and you will die, go insane.

Like I said, you interpret as literal that which you think you can keep and figurative that which you can't.

Thanks for helping me to show that the Law of God remains in effect and in full force.

Not the Law as God gave it, the law as you imagined it so you wouldn't get in trouble with your HOA for sacrificing sheep and goats.

 

[hadit]

Seriously? And some people do not believe that sinners are still bound by the eternal Law of God or that they die "the death" when they violate the Divine commands whether they are a believer unbeliever Catholic or Protestant.

Thank God He did away with that death. From Romans 8:

1: Consequently, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what was impossible for the law, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
4: in order that the requirement of the law would be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5: For those who are living according to the flesh are intent on the things of the flesh, but those who are living according to the Spirit are intent on the things of the Spirit.
6: For the mindset of the flesh is death, but the mindset of the Spirit is life and peace,
7: because the mindset of the flesh is enmity toward God, for it is not subjected to the law of God, for it is not able to do so,
8: and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.
9: But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you.

You can continue living in condemnation and fear, but those of us living by the Spirit do not need to. This is the new covenant given by Jesus.

 

[hobelim]

No, the new covenant puts us under Jesus grace, not the Law. The Apostles figured this out, apparently you think they were wrong.

Like I said, you interpret as literal that which you think you can keep and figurative that which you can't.

Not the Law as God gave it, the law as you imagined it so you wouldn't get in trouble with your HOA for sacrificing sheep and goats.

Wow. Thanks for providing more irrefutable evidence that you are suffering from "the death", a curse, for failing to comply with Divine Law in the WAY that Jesus taught to follow. Shit, you don't have the grace to admit you are wrong, your church is wrong, and all of you addled believers in the absurd are wrong and have been dead and in hell ever since you set aside the Law to religiously celebrate the death of and worship an innocent Jewish man.

 

[hadit]

Wow. Thanks for providing more irrefutable evidence that you are suffering from "the death", a curse, for failing to comply with Divine Law in the WAY that Jesus taught to follow. Shit, you don't have the grace to admit you are wrong, your church is wrong, and all of you addled believers in the absurd are wrong and have been dead and in hell ever since you set aside the Law to religiously celebrate the death of and worship an innocent Jewish man.

Still trying to deflect from your failed assertions I see.

 

[hobelim]

2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.

If that was true then why are you still a slave to sin? Why can't you see that you are an idolator if you were free from sin and death? Why can't you see that your belief system throwing Jesus under the bus to save your own skin is unethical and immoral, reprehensible unless you are already dead, under a curse for defying the Law?

Take your time.....

 

[hobelim]

You can continue living in condemnation and fear, but those of us living by the Spirit do not need to. This is the new covenant given by Jesus.

I do not live in condemnation or fear. I always do exactly as God commands and so I always dwell in his love. The Law as Jesus taught to interpret and comply with, the same WAY Moses originally taught, is really easy to fulfill.

You have confused dying the death with a spiritual experience and I guess it is, just not a very good one. Enjoy!

 

[Meriweather]

Except it doesn't appear at all in the earliest versions of John.

It isn't known whether all the earliest versions of John survived. The best that can be determined is that the earliest surviving copies make no mention of it. It can even be surmised that mention of it was in one of John's letters and that the account was then added to John's Gospel. There are a lot of "What if this, or what if that" involved.

 

[hadit]

If that was true then why are you still a slave to sin? Why can't you see that your belief system throwing Jesus under the bus to save your skin is reprehensible unless you are already dead, under a curse for defying the Law?

Take your time.....

I am not a slave to sin. I am growing in grace and in the Spirit. Are you, or do you still labor under the burden of sin?

 

[hobelim]

I am not a slave to sin.

If you have been beguiled into believing that the way to eternal life is defying the law of God and worshipping a trinity that became an edible Jewish man, a perfect human sacrifice, you are a slave to sin. Dead and in hell. Unless the Laws that prohibits idolatry and human sacrifice have been scrapped by God, who really digs it now.



And still you don't have an inkling that something is amiss with your brain? Damn. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Wow. There is no grace in you at all. You can't even admit the obvious. You have confused faith with obstinate stupidity.

Such is the power of death.

 

[hadit]

If you have been beguiled into believing that the way to eternal life is defying the law of God and worshipping a trinity that became an edible Jewish man, a perfect human sacrifice, you are a slave to sin. Dead and in hell. Unless the Laws that prohibits idolatry and human sacrifice have been scrapped by God, who really digs it now.



And still you don't have an inkling that something is amiss with your brain? Damn. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Wow.

Such is the power of death.

Again, why does your HOA allow you to do animal sacrifice? The Law is alive with it, so you should be doing it regularly.

 

[hobelim]

Again, why does your HOA allow you to do animal sacrifice?

Are you really that dense? Or just a coward. Thats a shame. Either way, worms are not kosher.

The Law is alive with it, so you should be doing it regularly.

I do do it regularly, in full view of heaven and earth, slaughtering goats for the EXPIATION of sin, ask ding. Now run along. I heard that tasty fodder was being given out at church for free, with only a nominal service charge!

 

[hadit]

Are you really that dense? Thats a shame.

I do do it regularly, in full view of heaven and earth, slaughtering goats for the EXPIATION of sin, ask ding.

You should expect a visit from the authorities. The noise is getting to your neighbors.

Now run along. I heard that tasty fodder was being given out at church for free, only a nominal service charge.

Still trying to point attention at me, I see. How sad, to deflect from your own failures. You still haven't acknowledged that you are wrong about why Pilot executed Jesus.

 

[Mashmont]

Most christians are raised with a very "us vs them" mentality. It's one of the huge problems with organized religion in general.

That's absolutely untrue of the Catholic Church. Perhaps it once was true. It is no longer.

 

[hobelim]

You should expect a visit from the authorities. The noise is getting to your neighbors.

Not to worry! I am acting with great power and authority and the full cooperation of every government on earth.

Just like during an exorcism the neighbors are well aware of what's going on, so scream all you like.