Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?

[ding]

Some early Christians did, some did not.

Then they weren’t Christians.

 

[ding]

Tertullian disagrees.

Your Church, including over 30,000 denominations of Christianity itself, has the whole damn story all wrong. DUH You eat and drink, religiously, "without discerning the Body", and so have brought judgment UPON YOURSELF.

Thats the way the cookie crumbles. How is it that you don't know the right course to take? Where is your faith?

"He censures those who understood our Lord's words after the letter, (literally), as if they were to eat the carnal body. He expounds the spiritual thing which gives life as to be understood by the text: "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life."

His word is the life-giving principle, therefore he called his flesh by the same appellation, so we are to "devour Him with the ear, RUMINATE on Him with the understanding, and digest Him by faith."

Tertullian. Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III

Says the guy who can’t admit the truth about Leviticus 18:22.

 

[hobelim]

Then they weren’t Christians.

So Tertullian wasn't Christian? The guy who introduced the term trinity? According to who? You? pft.

You should go and ask a catholic priest.

Dummy


What Christian opposed the doctrine of the Trinity?

Arianism (Koine Greek: Ἀρειανισμός, Areianismós) is a Christological doctrine which rejects the traditional notion of the Trinity and considers Jesus to be a creation of God, and therefore distinct from God. It is named after its major proponent, Arius ( c. AD 256–336)

 

[alang1216]

Then they weren’t Christians.

They would have disagreed with you.

 

[hadit]

Sure, he saw no reason to execute a religious nutjob up until Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world", and Pilate replied, "So you are a king? which would have been be a challenge to the authority of Caesar, sedition.

Except that Pilot attempted to release him BECAUSE HE FOUND NO FAULT IN HIM. Aside from that, your conjecture is, well, a conjecture.

Right again. After the crowd cried out "we have no king but caesar." according to the story that is. (John 19:15)

No, after the crowd yelled, "Crucify Him" over and over again, threatening to become a mob. You're just not making your case.

 

[hobelim]

Except that Pilot attempted to release him BECAUSE HE FOUND NO FAULT IN HIM. Aside from that, your conjecture is, well, a conjecture.

No, after the crowd yelled, "Crucify Him" over and over again, threatening to become a mob. You're just not making your case.

So your assertion is that Pilate caved to a crowd, afraid of a mob? LOL. Obviously you don't know any Romans.

 

[hadit]

So your assertion is that Pilate caved to a crowd for fear of a mob? LOL. Obviously you don't know Romans.

Sure I do. Pilot was a politician in the chain of command over Judea at the time. The last thing he wanted was for word to get back to Rome that he couldn't keep the peace during the Jewish holy days. Sure, he could have crushed the mob, but he would have destroyed his own career at the same time. Remember, he could find no fault in Jesus. You refuse to deal with that truth.

 

[hobelim]

Sure I do. Pilot was a politician in the chain of command over Judea at the time. The last thing he wanted was for word to get back to Rome that he couldn't keep the peace during the Jewish holy days. Sure, he could have crushed the mob, but he would have destroyed his own career at the same time. Remember, he could find no fault in Jesus. You refuse to deal with that truth.

No you don't. Pilate found fault in Jesus claiming to be a king which carried with it a mandatory death penalty. He was worried about his career? Afraid of a mob? lol.... Thats just plain silly. You really don't know Romans at all!

Following Spartacus' slave revolt, approximately 6,000 surviving rebels were crucified along the Appian Way by the Romans. This mass crucifixion was a brutal display of Roman power and a warning to others who might consider challenging their authority. The crosses were placed along the road, stretching from Capua to Rome, a distance of about 120 miles.

Slaughtering an unruly crowd would have earned Pilate a promotion in the hierarchy of hell. Thats Pax Romana.

 

[hadit]

No you don't. Pilate found fault in Jesus claiming to be a king which carried with it a certain death penalty.

Cite from the Bible please.

Following Spartacus' slave revolt, approximately 6,000 surviving rebels were crucified along the Appian Way by the Romans. This mass crucifixion was a brutal display of Roman power and a warning to others who might consider challenging their authority. The crosses were placed along the road, stretching from Capua to Rome, a distance of about 120 miles.

Since you seem to have difficulty discerning what happened before and what happened after, I'll help you. From Luke 23:

3: And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

Okay, there's what you claim set Pilot against Jesus and caused His death. Let's see Pilot's reaction, shall we?

4: Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.

Oops, there it is. IMMEDIATELY after Pilot has that exchange with Jesus, he finds no fault in Him. You know, I enjoy finding things like this, but I'll carry on.

5: And they were the more fierce, saying, He stirreth up the people, teaching throughout all Jewry, beginning from Galilee to this place.

Oooh, they claim He stirred stuff up. Let's see Pilot's reaction, shall we?

6: When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked whether the man were a Galilaean.
7: And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time.

Pilot wants no part of this, so he sends Jesus over to Herod. Doesn't sound like much of a political thing he's really wanting to sink his teeth into.

8: And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.
9: Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.
10: And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.
11: And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.
12: And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.
13: And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people,
14: Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:

Your account is totally contradicted by Scripture. Pilot didn't want to execute Jesus, even after, as YOU claim, he found out Jesus was a king. Nope, didn't happen.

15: No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
16: I will therefore chastise him, and release him.

See, this is what happens when you pretend to read the Bible, but instead rely more on stuff ABOUT the Bible and that you make up to please your own ideas than you do the Bible itself.

 

[hobelim]

Cite from the Bible please.

I already did. Stop wasting your time.

 

[hadit]

I already did. Stop wasting your time.

And I gave you a complete passage that contains your cite and totally destroys your narrative. Did you miss that?

I gave you the chance to cite something else after I destroyed the one you gave, but you didn't take it.

 

[there4eyeM]

Homosexual behavior is observed in a wide range of animal species, not just humans. Some notable examples include penguins, bonobos, dolphins, and lions. These behaviors manifest in various forms, such as same-sex mating, pair bonding, and even raising offspring together.

Here are some specific examples:

• View attachment 1147786
  Penguins:
  .
  Same-sex relationships, including pair bonding and even raising chicks, are well-documented in several penguin species, both in captivity and in the wild.
  
  
• View attachment 1147788
  Bonobos:
  .
  These primates are known for their high frequency of homosexual behavior, particularly between females. They engage in various forms of sexual activity, including genital rubbing, to reduce tension and build social bonds.
  
  
• 
  Dolphins:
  .
  Same-sex sexual behavior, including genital contact and mounting, has been observed in various dolphin species, particularly among males.
  
  
• View attachment 1147787
  Lions:
  .
  Male lions often form coalitions and engage in homosexual behavior, which can strengthen their bonds and help them compete for territory and females.
  
  
• 
  Other examples:
  .
  Same-sex behavior has also been documented in giraffes, mountain rams, albatrosses, and even certain fish species.

These examples demonstrate that homosexual behavior is a natural occurrence in the animal kingdom, with diverse expressions across different species.

Exceptions test, but do not nullify, what is solid and fruitful. These rare exceptions in nature have nothing to do with the function of constructive human society. There is no reason to persecute other than majority behavior, and no reason to praise it, either.

 

[hobelim]

These rare exceptions in nature have nothing to do with the function of constructive human society

Many fruitful constructive contributions to human society have been and continue to be made by homosexuals.

Thats a fact.

 

[hobelim]

And I gave you a complete passage that contains your cite and totally destroys your narrative. Did you miss that?

I gave you the chance to cite something else after I destroyed the one you gave, but you didn't take it.

No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him. I will therefore chastise him, and release him.

Until he heard Jesus say, "My kingdom is elsewhere." to which Pilate replied,"So you are a king?" which sealed his fate, even though Jesus said, "King is your word. My task is to bear witness to the truth." Did YOU miss that?

And then the crowd cried "we have no king but caesar". Jesus claiming to be a king was sedition, his death was mandatory under Roman law. Pilate wasn't worried about "his career". He wasn't a afraid of "the mob". lol.

He was the mob.

The Jewish expectations of a messiah, an anointed one, was lost in the translation, the closest term was king.

 

[hadit]

Until he heard Jesus ay "My kingdom is elsewhere." To which Pilate replied,"So you are a king" which changed everything.

The crowd cried "we have no king but caesar". Jesus claiming to be a king was sedition, his death mandatory.

And we'll continue with the Scripture, not doing as you have done, which is to lift a quote and claim it did something it did not;

16: I will therefore chastise him, and release him.
17: (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

Whoa, what are we seeing here? Pilot does NOT want to execute Jesus, even after Pilot asked Jesus if He was a king and Jesus answered, "So you say".

18: And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas:
19: (Who for a certain sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.)

Oh, and here we have an ACTUAL seditionist that the crowd demanded be freed.

20: Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them.

Man, Pilot really does NOT want to execute Jesus, does he?

21: But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
22: And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.

See, your narrative simply dissolves and runs away under scrutiny. It's obvious that you have not read the Scriptures.

23: And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
24:And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.
25: And he released unto them him that for sedition and murder was cast into prison, whom they had desired; but he delivered Jesus to their will.

Man, nothing is going your way, is it? Pilot, fearing the mob, gave them Jesus, who he did NOT want to execute, and freed Barabbas, who was sentenced to die. Now, I have given you chapter and verse, the whole passage that shows what I said is true. You have lifted quotes and applied your own ideas to them, nothing more. Show me chapter and verse where Pilot decided Jesus was a dangerous seditionist AFTER this that plainly shows he thought nothing of the sort.

 

[hobelim]

Show me chapter and verse where Pilot decided Jesus was a dangerous seditionist AFTER this that plainly shows he thought nothing of the sort.

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest. My kingdom is not of this world.” “Then You are a king!” Pilate said. “King is your word,” Jesus answered. “For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.” “What is truth?” Pilate asked. And having said this, he went out again to the crowd and told them, “I find no basis for a charge against Him.…

Then the crowd cried "we have no king but caesar" which forced Pilate to put Jesus to death. Pilate wasn't afraid of the mob, he was afraid of Jesus, but had no choice but to execute him especially if he was worried about his "career" in "the mob".

lol

 

[ding]

They would have disagreed with you.

No. They wouldn’t have met the definition of Christianity. Believing Jesus is God Incarnate is Christianity.

 

[ding]

So Tertullian wasn't Christian? The guy who introduced the term trinity? According to who? You? pft.

You should go and ask a catholic priest.

Dummy


What Christian opposed the doctrine of the Trinity?

Arianism (Koine Greek: Ἀρειανισμός, Areianismós) is a Christological doctrine which rejects the traditional notion of the Trinity and considers Jesus to be a creation of God, and therefore distinct from God. It is named after its major proponent, Arius ( c. AD 256–336)

You are getting lost in the weeds. The first Christians worshipped Jesus as God. They didn’t define the trinity. They literally believed Jesus was God incarnate. Why? Because they witnessed the miracles he performed and because he was resurrected and because that was his claim.

 

[hobelim]

They didn’t define the trinity.

Right it was an existing concept in Mithraism, the secret mystery religion of the Roman government and military.

A blasphemous abomination and anathema to everything Jewish, everything Jesus and his disciples believed.

But the superstitious gentile world ignorant of Jewish thought and belief took the bait like fish under water.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Read the Gospel of Nicodemus to see how Pilate felt about Jesus' return!