Admiral Rockwell Tory
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So what part of what he stated is incorrect?
Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?
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From your own cite,
“I find no basis for a charge against Him"
Are you even paying attention to what you're quoting? Pilot found nothing with which to charge Jesus, nothing. So much for your contention that the romans executed Him for being a king.
Until the crowd forced his hand by saying, "We have no king but Caesar." Jesus committed a capitol offense. Then he was beaten and flogged 140 times stripped naked and summarily crucified without any compunction.
Nice bit of Roman spin to try and make Pilate look like a nice guy.
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Even the Apostles disagreed on doctrine. Paul is famous for arguing with Peter (and prevailing) that Gentile converts didn't have to be put under the Law of Moses. Quite simply, Peter was wrong, something modern Catholics would find inconceivable.
At every turn, he attempted to release Jesus, but feared the mob. I gave it to you, chapter and verse. I can't help it if you didn't read the Bible for yourself but followed what other said ABOUT the Bible.
Paul was just a Roman shill pushing Mithraism. Peter was right if Jesus was right when he said this in Matthew 5:17-20.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside even one of the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.."
To understand what Jesus meant by saying, "will be called "least" in the kingdom of heaven." see Genesis 3:14
If you don't even know what "the kingdom of heaven" is, all you have to do is ask.
Poor heretics. If only Pope ding was around to let them know what the definition of Christianity was.
"until everything is accomplished"
Do you remember the last thing Jesus said on the cross?
"IT IS FINISHED". Peter was wrong.
No he said "telestai", a greek word and legal accounting term meaning "debt paid in full." not "it is finished".
His own personal debt. Not yours. The guilt of your own sins remain. Thats why you can't see the absurdity of what you profess to believe. A sacrificial mangod blah blah blah. You have been abandoned by God to your folly.
To fulfill the Law is to comply with its demands.
If you don't fulfill the Laws demands you cannot have the life promised for compliance within you. And you don't
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And there it is, your inevitable attempt to make it about me when you realize you've painted yourself into a corner. You don't get to define words to mean only what you want them to mean and ignore all the other meanings. Jesus completed everything, nothing remains to be done. The gift of salvation is complete and whole, all that is required is acceptance.
What does the Greek word "tetelestai" mean? | Bible.org
Literally translated the word tetelestai means, “It is finished.” The word occurs in John 19:28 and 19:30 and these are the only two places in the New Testament where it occurs. In 19:28 it is translated, “After this, when Jesus knew that all things were now completed, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled, he said, ‘I thirst.’” Two verses later, he utters the word himself: “Then when he received the sour wine Jesus said, ‘It is finished,’ and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.”
The word tetelestai was also written on business documents or receipts in New Testament times to show indicating that a bill had been paid in full. The Greek-English lexicon by Moulton and Milligan says this:
“Receipts are often introduced by the phrase [sic] tetelestai, usually written in an abbreviated manner...” (p. 630). The connection between receipts and what Christ accomplished would have been quite clear to John’s Greek-speaking readership; it would be unmistakable that Jesus Christ had died to pay for their sins.
Now, after I have destroyed your contention that Pilot wanted to execute Jesus, how else can I demolish your narrative today?
You are just wrong.
From the beginning Christianity was always a story only half told to be "finished" in some distant future when Christ returned, after the diaspora, the return to Israel, and the Gospels being preached all around the world.
According to my calculations he is due to come and go like a theif in the night in a deeply disturbing disguise.
ANY MINUTE! So be careful.
He might hear you peddling blasphemous lies in his name and toss you alive into the lake of fire without any pity.
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Take it up with Jesus who declared it complete.
Jesus' work on the cross is finished, complete, wrap it in a ribbon and put a fork in it, it's done. We don't have to earn anything, we don't have to carry any guilt for anything, it's all done and over with. We're playing out the last few minutes of the fourth quarter but the war is already decided, the victor is declared. Death and the grave have no fear to offer. As for the law, it is fulfilled. Just as when you were a child in school, the teachers and the principal told you what to wear, where to go, when to eat, what to eat, when you could play, what you could play, and when you had to sit down and shut up. You were taught how to get along in a crowd of peers, how to wait your turn, how to be polite to those in authority over you. When you graduated from school, the teachers and principal no longer had authority over you, but you are expected to behave like they taught you. You are expected to be polite, to wait your turn, to dress appropriately and speak respectfully to those around you. You are expected to respect those in authority over you. So it is with the Law. You can still live under it if you wish, but there is no point in doing so, as Jesus established something much better and greater. The Law still tells us what God wants from us, but it doesn't condemn.
And some people do not believe in Divine law, "the death" penalty, for idolatry and lying the the name of God.
Imagine that!
Prior to the resurrection the apostles were scared, feared for their lives and were in hiding. Their behaviors post resurrection were the exact opposite of that. Why do you think that was?
Just like you don’t believe Jesus is God Incarnate. The only difference is I don’t berate you for your beliefs like you berate Christians for their beliefs. The tenor, quantity and persistence of your disdain for Christians can only mean it is personal to you.
That's right, we are no longer under the Law because Jesus has paid the penalties the Law contains. There is no need for animal sacrifice anymore or for us to put someone to death for sin. Now it's up to us whether we accept the gift of forgiveness and live in relationship with God or reject it and have Him reject us.
And no, Jesus was not executed as a political prisoner because Pilot feared Him being a king. You seem to have forgotten that little tidbit.
So you believe that Jesus paid the penalty for your sins and celebrate his death, yay!, even though you openly display all of the signs of a person under the condemnation of God for setting aside Divine Law? Thats like celebrating the execution of an innocent man because of crimes that you committed. Do think God is stupid?
Some "faith" you have going on. I'm sure that Jesus is very impressed by your deep and abiding love for him.
I am.
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Assuming that is true, I don't know the answer, I could only speculate.
Speculation: being associated with an enemy of Rome might not be good for one's health, but, after a period of time, no one cared about a dead rebel or his scattered followers.
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