Zone1 Why didn’t God kill the first born of Germany?

[Seymour Flops]

It is pointless for humans to question the actions of God in light of whether they make sense to us or not. It is like barely verbal 2-year-olds questioning why their parents got a dog that does not talk when the cartoon dogs they see on TV can talk.

Note that that is true as a logical statement, even if you don't believe in "God" and it is purely hypothetical.

 

[Woodznutz]

In the time of Moses, the Egyptian Pharaohs kept the Jews in slavery.
God sent Moses to demand their release. When the Pharaoh refused, God sent ten plagues onto Egypt including locusts, flies, a river running red, boils, darkness and finally killing the first born of Egypt.

But when Hitler killed six million Jews and enslaved the rest, God did nothing.

Why was that?

The whole nation of Israel, the "children of Israel" were enslaved by the Egyptians.
Centuries later, after the Jews had separated from the other tribes into their own kingdom, they brought certain curses upon themselves that stand to this day.

 

[rightwinger]

The whole nation of Israel, the "children of Israel" were enslaved by the Egyptians.
Centuries later, after the Jews had separated from the other tribes into their own kingdom, they brought certain curses upon themselves that stand to this day.

Oh I get it now
The Jews slaughtered by the Nazis were “cursed” and God did not care about them

 

[0311]

Oh I get it now
The Jews slaughtered by the Nazis were “cursed” and God did not care about them

The ranks of the SS were full of good so-called "Christians."

 

[rightwinger]

It is pointless for humans to question the actions of God in light of whether they make sense to us or not. It is like barely verbal 2-year-olds questioning why their parents got a dog that does not talk when the cartoon dogs they see on TV can talk.

Note that that is true as a logical statement, even if you don't believe in "God" and it is purely hypothetical.

God seems to be inconsistent on how he reacts to slavery.
With the Pharaoh God killed the first born of Egypt

WIth slaves in the US and Holocaust….God did nothing

 

[Woodznutz]

Oh I get it now
The Jews slaughtered by the Nazis were “cursed” and God did not care about them

Those Jews were casualties in a war that killed 60-80 million people, many were also descendants of Israel. That said, the curse stands, likely until the kingdom comes.

 

[marvin martian]

God seems to be inconsistent on how he reacts to slavery.
With the Pharaoh God killed the first born of Egypt

WIth slaves in the US and Holocaust….God did nothing

It's almost like you don't understand any of this.

 

[rightwinger]

It's almost like you don't understand any of this.

Maybe you can explain it to us if you understand

 

[Meriweather]

Maybe you can explain it to us if you understand

You have your own frame of reference of what you consider right and wrong. Any individual frame of reference is, by definition, small. As you have already determined what is right and wrong in this small frame, there is no room for anything else.

 

[rightwinger]

You have your own frame of reference of what you consider right and wrong. Any individual frame of reference is, by definition, small. As you have already determined what is right and wrong in this small frame, there is no room for anything else.

I am just pointing out a disparity in how God responds to slavery

I am pretty damned sure that slavery is wrong
If God is OK with it, that is his business

 

[Meriweather]

I am just pointing out a disparity in how God responds to slavery

I am pretty damned sure that slavery is wrong
If God is OK with it, that is his business

First, why come to the conclusion God is okay with slavery?

Second, you come across a person who owns a slave. It's up to you to resolve the issue, any which way you choose. Do you choose to behead the slave owner? Do you enslave him by throwing him into prison. Then who supports the slave owner and who supports the slave? Here comes the next person who sells himself into slavery (indentured service) to support his family. What punishment do you mete out to him for selling himself into slavery? What punishment to the person who sees someone in need, and agrees to support him/his family in trade for their service to him.

 

[rightwinger]

First, why come to the conclusion God is okay with slavery?

Here’s a good one

Moses leads the Jews out of slavery and God punishes Egypt by killing their first born.

Then, when Moses goes up the mountain to receive God’s Ten Commandment's, not one says Thou shall not have slaves.

Coveting and false witness warranted commandments. But God couldn’t find room for slavery

 

[Meriweather]

Here’s a good one

Moses leads the Jews out of slavery and God punishes Egypt by killing their first born.

Then, when Moses goes up the mountain to receive God’s Ten Commandment's, not one says Thou shall not have slaves.

Coveting and false witness warranted commandments. But God couldn’t find room for slavery

There is much more to the story than slavery. Let's look at the slavery angle. Here are the Hebrews, free at last. How grateful were they?

Personally, I can see how enslaving someone can fall under coveting. Next, how well did the Israelites keep all ten of the Commandments that were entrusted to them?

Let's return to my question. How would you, personally, handle the problem of slavery/servitude?

 

[rightwinger]

Let's return to my question. How would you, personally, handle the problem of slavery/servitude?

$$$$$

 

[rightwinger]

Here are the Hebrews, free at last. How grateful were they?

If I were freed from slavery…..I would want to party

 

[ding]

Here’s a good one

Moses leads the Jews out of slavery and God punishes Egypt by killing their first born.

Then, when Moses goes up the mountain to receive God’s Ten Commandment's, not one says Thou shall not have slaves.

Coveting and false witness warranted commandments. But God couldn’t find room for slavery

Here’s a good one. You don’t believe God gave Moses the ten commandments, right? Right. And you don’t believe God actually told the Jews that slavery was ok, right? Right. So read it that way. Read it like the Jews were raising standards. So instead of criticizing these texts, see them for what they were.

 

[rightwinger]

Here’s a good one. You don’t believe God gave Moses the ten commandments, right? Right. And you don’t believe God actually told the Jews that slavery was ok, right? Right. So read it that way. Read it like the Jews were raising standards. So instead of criticizing these texts, see them for what they were.

I just find it surprising that given the struggles of the Jews in escaping slavery that God could not find room for it in his commandments.
It could have saved thousands of years of suffering

 

[ding]

I just find it surprising that given the struggles of the Jews in escaping slavery that God could not find room for it in his commandments.
It could have saved thousands of years of suffering

Except you don’t believe that. How exactly do you explain these texts if God doesn’t exist. Because that exact same explanation works for God existing.

 

[WelfareQueen]

In that case, the US and Soviets acted on Gods behalf.
But not before 6 million Jews had died.

Why did God act against the Pharaoh and not Hitler?

What makes you presume to think you can understand the mind of God?

 

[ding]

In that case, the US and Soviets acted on Gods behalf.
But not before 6 million Jews had died.

Why did God act against the Pharaoh and not Hitler?

You got it bad.