Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?

[22lcidw]

Start your own racist thread if you want to blame brown people. Maybe it’s the weather? They are all cold places. Fuck off, there are tons of homogenous unhappy places.

We seem to have proof that diversity is dividing is up because it goes to extremes. We always had diversity. But the men and women assimilated into the culture doing it. And it can be different all over as we know.

 

[justoffal]

What an interesting blog article on American ideas about civil responsibility and the knee jerk reaction of Americans generally, and Conservatives specifically, to fear community welfare and immediately associate it with socialism or communism. It led to her asking “What are you so afraid of?”, and she received 5 specific groups of fears:

1. I’m scared of having to pay for other people’s laziness
2. I’m scared because I don’t trust my government or other people generally
3. I’m scared because socialism leads to authoritarianism
4. I’m scared because socialists and communists kill a lot of people
5. I’m not scared, socialism always fails

She has some good responses to these fears that I can’t do just to for a short attention span. Read the link if you want. I think these fears keep America from being a great and caring nation.

Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?
I went a little bit viral on TikTok recently for voicing the unthinkable: I said that I like paying taxes. As you might imagine, the Americans and Conservatives in my comment section were shocked and appalled. The words communist and socialist were thrown around like insults, images of gulags and famine were invoked to prove some kind of vague and poorly-articulated point about freedom.

In contrast, the (predominantly western/northern) Europeans seemed to find my explanation pretty fair and even stopped to correct me on some of the finer points of Scottish, Scandinavian and German socialist democracy.

What shocked me, however, was not that so many Americans and Conservatives seemed to misunderstand fundamental aspects of civil life — like taxation — but that so many seemed so vehemently opposed to any suggestion that we should all contribute to the collective welfare of our countrymen.

Curiosity piqued, yesterday I made the mistake of asking Americans and Conservatives: “What is it about communism/socialism that scares you?” Here’s what they said.

Why socialist so afraid of shouldering personal responsibility?

 

[cnm]

You confuse racism and hypocrisy.

Well be fair, your racist hypocrisy is confusing.

 

[DBA]

True, it's no more correct about US ignorance of other countries when repeated than it was the first time.
You haven't even checked, have you, you're so smug in your received propaganda.

Starting with the first country on the list, Finland. 94% are Finnish. 6% are Swedish. The next Ethnic group is Russian at 1.43% and it only goes down from there. It is EXTREMELY homogenous. You are misinformed, but you are a Democrat so that stands to reason.

Ethnic Groups And Nationalities In Finland

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Lol. The ninth happiest country will do me. You can stay in #14.

If New Zealand is such a happy place, then why are you such an unhappy, humorless individual filled with nothing but hatred?

 

[DBA]

Nope. Brown people don’t make an unhappy country. Own your point in another thread instead of being sly about it in this one. Plenty of homogenous places are unhappy. Point refuted.

The point was that homogeneity is a significant role in their success, not that homogeneity was the only factor. Maybe other countries that are as homogenous as these should give their form of government a shot.

 

[Papageorgio]

What an interesting blog article on American ideas about civil responsibility and the knee jerk reaction of Americans generally, and Conservatives specifically, to fear community welfare and immediately associate it with socialism or communism. It led to her asking “What are you so afraid of?”, and she received 5 specific groups of fears:

1. I’m scared of having to pay for other people’s laziness
2. I’m scared because I don’t trust my government or other people generally
3. I’m scared because socialism leads to authoritarianism
4. I’m scared because socialists and communists kill a lot of people
5. I’m not scared, socialism always fails

She has some good responses to these fears that I can’t do just to for a short attention span. Read the link if you want. I think these fears keep America from being a great and caring nation.

Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?
I went a little bit viral on TikTok recently for voicing the unthinkable: I said that I like paying taxes. As you might imagine, the Americans and Conservatives in my comment section were shocked and appalled. The words communist and socialist were thrown around like insults, images of gulags and famine were invoked to prove some kind of vague and poorly-articulated point about freedom.

In contrast, the (predominantly western/northern) Europeans seemed to find my explanation pretty fair and even stopped to correct me on some of the finer points of Scottish, Scandinavian and German socialist democracy.

What shocked me, however, was not that so many Americans and Conservatives seemed to misunderstand fundamental aspects of civil life — like taxation — but that so many seemed so vehemently opposed to any suggestion that we should all contribute to the collective welfare of our countrymen.

Curiosity piqued, yesterday I made the mistake of asking Americans and Conservatives: “What is it about communism/socialism that scares you?” Here’s what they said.

Scared? WTF? Who is scared? I am not afraid of any of that. Another dishonest lefty playing emotional word games. It is obvious by using such wording, she has no grasp of what conservatives think, none.

 

[Papageorgio]

So your want no roads, police, Military, Fire Depts...

If firefighters come to put fire out you would be "fruits of my labor stolen"...

Don't worry there would be no Courts or Prisons either...

You have no idea what real socialism is do you?

 

[citygator]

There have been some thoughtful or at least pointed discussions on whether socialism is dangerous or not….please don’t turn this thread into another USMB tirade against brown skin.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

That would be liking it quite a lot from most accounts.

This country has just been named the happiest in the world​

Iceland, Denmark, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are all in the top five happiest countries according to data compiled by Gallup World Poll.​

Some people are "happy" to give most of their money to the government so they can make all their decisions
for them.

God bless and good luck to them.

 

[BlackSand]

You confuse racism and hypocrisy. Try to at least get your "point" across in a clear manner. Geezus

Well be fair, your racist hypocrisy is confusing.

.

Your somewhat stalwart attempts to put a square peg in a round hole are at the core of your confusion ...
It is just another example of the futility in giving a garden slug a 24 Pieces Craftsman Tool Set for Christmas.

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[jc456]

Wow, you not only drank the kool-ade, you dropped your pants and bent over, too...

he's swinging his hips

 

[jc456]

Well be fair, your racist hypocrisy is confusing.

hey pot

 

[Papageorgio]

That would be liking it quite a lot from most accounts.

This country has just been named the happiest in the world​

Iceland, Denmark, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are all in the top five happiest countries according to data compiled by Gallup World Poll.​

If I want to live there then I will move, I think most of us are happy, not content but happy.

 

[Papageorgio]

There have been some thoughtful or at least pointed discussions on whether socialism is dangerous or not….please don’t turn this thread into another USMB tirade against brown skin.

Funny you didn’t say a thing when cnm and Otis brought up skin color at post 7 of this thread.

 

[bripat9643]

Clinton and Obama did.

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• FY 2010: Obama's first budget created a deficit of just under $1.3 trillion.
• FY 2011: This budget deficit was $1.3 trillion.
• FY 2012: The deficit was $1.1 trillion.
• FY 2013: This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $680 billion, was less than $1 trillion.
• FY 2014: The deficit was $483 billion.8 Tax revenue rose to $3.02 trillion.
• FY 2015: The deficit fell further to $439 billion.
• FY 2016: The deficit rose to $587 billion.
• FY 2017: The deficit was $665 billion.12 It was $162 billion more than the $503 billion deficit estimated in Obama's budget request.

You're FOS, as usual.
That was NOOT and McTurtle.

Not even close, lying retard.

No shit dumbass, that makes it even worse, imbecile.

Nope. That's the peace dividend, and Newt Gingrich is the one who passed it. You can thank Ronald Reagan for the peace dividend

Furthermore, you chart is trash. I noticed that you didn't post the source. It isn't the CBO because the data has been doctored by some left wing propaganda organ..

 

[Papageorgio]

Take away the liability protection away and the vaccine rate would go up, So why is the government playing this game?

 

[Cellblock2429]

WTF, idiot?

Guess HOW Trump got his $2.3 trillion tax cut into a bill?

Last Thursday in New York, Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump released a tax reform plan.[1] The plan would reform the individual income tax code by lowering marginal tax rates on wages, investment, and business income.

On November 2, 2017, Chairman Kevin Brady (R-TX) of the House Committee on Ways and Means released a tax reform plan, known as the House Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. The plan would reform the individual income tax code by lowering tax rates on wages, investment, and business income; broadening the tax base; and simplifying the tax code. The plan would lower the corporate income tax rate to 20 percent and move the United States from a worldwide to a territorial system of taxation.

/——-/ It was passed by both the House and Senate. Geeeze, and you call me an idiot.

 

[Rigby5]

"When you have to explain yourself, you've already lost the argument." - labels are important, and the Socialist 'brand' was damaged beyond repair for the US...

Fact.

Nope.
Socialism was a common, normal, and useful label way before 1900, in Germany and places in the US, like WI.
The label has not just nearly infinite history, but an exclusive and exact meaning that can not be replaced.
And anyone confusing it with strong central or undemocratic government, just knows nothing at all about politics or economics, and is just listening to propaganda sound bites.
What is important is to counter false propaganda, not dance around it.

 

[Rigby5]

It's why you can't have single payer health care.

I doubt it is racism, because when it comes to health care, I doubt any one is so racist they do not want those of other races to have access to doctors.
I think the problem in the US is the huge money machine the insurance companies are running.
By employing millions of local insurance salesmen, they ensure a huge advertising force.