Which Political Ideology Most Embodies the Alpha Male Mentality?

[aaronleland]

I see NO difference

Fair enough answer.

The OP said he wished he decided to compare the Tea Party to OWS. I admit I could have found just as ridiculous of get-ups from OWS, but to prove my point I chose to target the Tea Party. Trying to peg either movement as more "alpha male" than the other is ridiculous.

 

[G.T.]

None of the above. An alpha male doesnt ascribe to such labels as left right liberal conservative tea party libertarian green party etc.

A true alpha male is independant and studied. Objective, sincere and pragmatic.

 

[Publius1787]

Ultimate Alphas like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, most of the founding fathers, Jesus Christ et al would all be considered pretty liberal for their day.

Oh yeah, I could have included my namesake two-time CMH winner Smedly.

SB

Jobs is an example of a beta transformed into an Alpha. Gates is an example of a beta plagiarist who squeaked his way to the top by theft and hired a bunch of Alphas to bring his company up to the status it enjoys today. Jesus an alpha? Oh, he may have existed, but his actions are that of fairy tales. He was a beta all the way surrounded by a cult who turned him into a religion. There were many of his kind throughout the day. So why did you choose ol Smedly?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank.

All of the above are the truth, no matter how the far right reactionaries shade it.

Amazing how the facts undermine you guys.

I'm sorry, it seems as though you miss quoted my response. ![/QUOTE]

Nope. You are refusing to admit that Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Webster, JQ Adams, Clay, and Calhoun all supported the national banks at one time or another.

OP fail.

 

[Bfgrn]

Which Political Ideology Most Embodies the Alpha Male Mentality?

This should be a spectacle! Conservative women have more Alpha characteristics than liberal men. I just think it's fun to watch liberals play alpha.

Tea Party = Alpha
Occupy Wall Street = Beta

Obama = Beta
Bush = Alpha
Clinton = Beta
Bush Sr = Alpha
Reagan = Alpha
Carter = Super Beta
Ford = Alpha
Nixon = Alpha
LBJ = Alpha
Kennedy = Beta
Eisenhower = Alpha
Truman = Beta
FDR = Beta converted into Alpha

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

 

[Publius1787]

Your Post Challenging Me (THE FIRST HISTORICALLY INACCURATE CLAIM)

Where did you go to school?

And Washington, Madison, and Jefferson supported the first national bank. Washington was dead and Madison and Jefferson were out of office when the second national bank was ratified with the support Monroe, Clay, Calhoun, and other "conservatives".

And Washington used executive orders to build the capitol and want the federal government to expand internal navigation along the Potomac into the interior.

My Response

Where did you go to school?

And Washington, Madison, and Jefferson supported the first national bank. Washington was dead and Madison and Jefferson were out of office when the second national bank was ratified with the support Monroe, Clay, Calhoun, and other "conservatives".

And Washington used executive orders to build the capitol and want the federal government to expand internal navigation along the Potomac into the interior.

Be prepared to look foolish! You hereby have lost all credibility on historical matters!

It was Hamilton that supported the first national bank and Washington asked Randolph, Jefferson, and Hamilton to draft their opinions on the constitutionality of the issue. Hamilton won out and Washington RELUCTANTLY signed the bank into law. Madison was the largest opponent of the first national bank in congress on constitutional grounds! Jefferson also was against the bank on constitutional grounds. As was Attorney General Randolph! The Second National Bank, however, was chartered by Madison many years later as the precedent had been set and the American economy was then largely shattered after the closing of the First NB and the War of 1812.

Avalon Project - Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791
Online Library of Liberty - James Madison's Speech on the Bank Bill 2 February 1791 - Liberty and Order: The First American Party Struggle
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...JkWkse8KkMj17G1syvKl1vg&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc
Avalon Project - Hamilton's Opinion as to the Constitutionality of the Bank of the United States : 1791
First Bank of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Bank of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I graduated from a very selective leftist private liberal arts college (understatement) to study history of all things with a 3.9 GPA. Go figure huh? If I can hold my own against well published liberal/Marxist professors on the subject of American history (and be graded well for such opposite views) I can certainly take what ill-informed drivel you dish out. Go back to whatever college/university you graduated from and get your money back!

Online Library of Liberty - James Madison's Speech on the Bank Bill 2 February 1791 - Liberty and Order: The First American Party Struggle
James Madison: It appeared on the whole, he concluded, that the power exercised by the bill was condemned by the silence of the Constitution; was condemned by the rule of interpretation arising out of the Constitution; was condemned by its tendency to destroy the main characteristic of the Constitution; was condemned by the expositions of the friends of the Constitution whilst depending before the public; was condemned by the apparent intention of the parties which ratified the Constitution; was condemned by the explanatory amendments proposed by Congress themselves to the Constitution; and he hoped it would receive its final condemnation, by the vote of this house.

No, but as you said, Madison supported the First national Bank (That's right, this is sarcasm). And you have the nerve to ask for my historical credentials?

NOW LETS SEE YOU PRETEND THIS POST NEVER EXISTED!

Your Response : (Note how you edited my post so as to avoid the shame of a losing argument) Also look how you changed the standard (THE SECOND HISTORICALLY INACURATE CLAIM)

Be prepared to look foolish! You hereby have lost all credibility on historical matters!

Yes, you have lost it. You did not graduate from college obviously, or you would admit the following, which documented in your sources.

Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South.. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank.

All of the above are the truth, no matter how you shade it.

Amazing how the facts undermine you guys.

My Response

My Response

Be prepared to look foolish! You hereby have lost all credibility on historical matters!

It was Hamilton that supported the first national bank and Washington asked Randolph, Jefferson, and Hamilton to draft their opinions on the constitutionality of the issue. Hamilton won out and Washington RELUCTANTLY signed the bank into law. Madison was the largest opponent of the first national bank in congress on constitutional grounds! Jefferson also was against the bank on constitutional grounds. As was Attorney General Randolph! The Second National Bank, however, was chartered by Madison many years later as the precedent had been set and the American economy was then largely shattered after the closing of the First NB and the War of 1812.

Avalon Project - Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791
Online Library of Liberty - James Madison's Speech on the Bank Bill 2 February 1791 - Liberty and Order: The First American Party Struggle
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...JkWkse8KkMj17G1syvKl1vg&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc
Avalon Project - Hamilton's Opinion as to the Constitutionality of the Bank of the United States : 1791
First Bank of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Bank of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I graduated from a very selective leftist private liberal arts college (understatement) to study history of all things with a 3.9 GPA. Go figure huh? If I can hold my own against well published liberal/Marxist professors on the subject of American history (and be graded well for such opposite views) I can certainly take what ill-informed drivel you dish out. Go back to whatever college/university you graduated from and get your money back!



No, but as you said, Madison supported the First national Bank (That's right, this is sarcasm). And you have the nerve to ask for my historical credentials?

NOW LETS SEE YOU PRETEND THIS POST NEVER EXISTED!

.

Yes, you have lost it. You did not graduate from college obviously, or you would admit the following, which documented in your sources.

Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South.. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank.

All of the above are the truth, no matter how you shade it.

Amazing how the facts undermine you guys.

I'm sorry, it seems as though you miss quoted my response. I have therefore made the proper correction. AND WHY WOULD I ADMIT THE ABOVE IN MY SOURCES!!?? They were never in question! The Diner Table Compromise, otherwise known as the Compromise of 1790, had to deal with the Residence Act and the Assumption/Funding Acts of 1790, not the "Bank Bill" which happened a full year later in 1791! The Bank Bill was denounced by Madison and Jefferson before and after it's passage and signing into law. And, as otherwise stated by you, Madison was in office upon the 2nd National Bank. Now don't try to skirt around your ignorance of US history by subsequently adding a separate topic for me to chase after in light of the glaring evidence of your ignorance so graciously provided in the above posts. Like all government programs, once they come into existence they are damn hard to get rid of. Jackson would later find this out. Once again, I have revoked your history card. Go back to school, slap your history professors in the face, and demand your money back!

Your Final Response. (Note how you changed from your original argument posted above!) (Also note how you simply reasserted a new/revised claim) (Furthermore, note how you once again took out all the sources/references I provided so as to remove yourself from the shame of a losing argument)

Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank.

All of the above are the truth, no matter how the far right reactionaries shade it.

Amazing how the facts undermine you guys.

I'm sorry, it seems as though you miss quoted my response. !

Nope. You are refusing to admit that Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Webster, JQ Adams, Clay, and Calhoun all supported the national banks at one time or another.

OP fail.

I think this just about sums it up. You have abandoned your original argument and your nonsense has been disproven. Oh, and the OP? The OP has nothing to do with the subject matter we're discussing, however, I do suppose that saying "OP fail" is perhaps a good way for the weak minded to reassure themselves in their false convictions.

Though I would like you to point at my "assertion" that these founders did not support a bank at one time or another. THAT WAS NOT YOUR ORIGINAL ARGUMENT and I did not challenged the facts you provided, only the massive and embarrassing historical inaccuracies.

 

[Publius1787]

Which Political Ideology Most Embodies the Alpha Male Mentality?

This should be a spectacle! Conservative women have more Alpha characteristics than liberal men. I just think it's fun to watch liberals play alpha.

Tea Party = Alpha
Occupy Wall Street = Beta

Obama = Beta
Bush = Alpha
Clinton = Beta
Bush Sr = Alpha
Reagan = Alpha
Carter = Super Beta
Ford = Alpha
Nixon = Alpha
LBJ = Alpha
Kennedy = Beta
Eisenhower = Alpha
Truman = Beta
FDR = Beta converted into Alpha

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

And though not all liberals are betas, most of them are. And thus betas join together so as to collectivize their weakness into a giant authoritarian mob who unjustly demands that their beta status be compensated via the fruits produced by the independent nature and successes of the alphas. Hence the whining rich beta children of Occupy Wall-Street.

 

[Publius1787]

One group is protesting, and the other is playing dress-up.

I see NO difference

Selective photo searching are we? Pan out a little wider.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Publius cannot disprove that "Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank. // All of the above are the truth, no matter how the far right reactionaries shade it."

They all supported one or both of our national banks at one time or another.

They do not fit Publius's silly alpha male model, and thus the OP fails.

 

[Publius1787]

Publius cannot disprove that "Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank. // All of the above are the truth, no matter how the far right reactionaries shade it."

They all supported one or both of our national banks at one time or another.

They do not fit Publius's silly alpha male model, and thus the OP fails.

I would suggest revisiting this post. And be careful in making false claims against me. Particularly the ones that you cannot support with previous posts. I made it clear via highlighting (Red) your inaccuracies and changes in your claim.

Your Post Challenging Me (THE FIRST HISTORICALLY INACCURATE CLAIM)

Where did you go to school?

And Washington, Madison, and Jefferson supported the first national bank. Washington was dead and Madison and Jefferson were out of office when the second national bank was ratified with the support Monroe, Clay, Calhoun, and other "conservatives".

And Washington used executive orders to build the capitol and want the federal government to expand internal navigation along the Potomac into the interior.

My Response

Where did you go to school?

And Washington, Madison, and Jefferson supported the first national bank. Washington was dead and Madison and Jefferson were out of office when the second national bank was ratified with the support Monroe, Clay, Calhoun, and other "conservatives".

And Washington used executive orders to build the capitol and want the federal government to expand internal navigation along the Potomac into the interior.

Be prepared to look foolish! You hereby have lost all credibility on historical matters!

It was Hamilton that supported the first national bank and Washington asked Randolph, Jefferson, and Hamilton to draft their opinions on the constitutionality of the issue. Hamilton won out and Washington RELUCTANTLY signed the bank into law. Madison was the largest opponent of the first national bank in congress on constitutional grounds! Jefferson also was against the bank on constitutional grounds. As was Attorney General Randolph! The Second National Bank, however, was chartered by Madison many years later as the precedent had been set and the American economy was then largely shattered after the closing of the First NB and the War of 1812.

Avalon Project - Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791
Online Library of Liberty - James Madison's Speech on the Bank Bill 2 February 1791 - Liberty and Order: The First American Party Struggle
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...JkWkse8KkMj17G1syvKl1vg&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc
Avalon Project - Hamilton's Opinion as to the Constitutionality of the Bank of the United States : 1791
First Bank of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Bank of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I graduated from a very selective leftist private liberal arts college (understatement) to study history of all things with a 3.9 GPA. Go figure huh? If I can hold my own against well published liberal/Marxist professors on the subject of American history (and be graded well for such opposite views) I can certainly take what ill-informed drivel you dish out. Go back to whatever college/university you graduated from and get your money back!

Online Library of Liberty - James Madison's Speech on the Bank Bill 2 February 1791 - Liberty and Order: The First American Party Struggle
James Madison: It appeared on the whole, he concluded, that the power exercised by the bill was condemned by the silence of the Constitution; was condemned by the rule of interpretation arising out of the Constitution; was condemned by its tendency to destroy the main characteristic of the Constitution; was condemned by the expositions of the friends of the Constitution whilst depending before the public; was condemned by the apparent intention of the parties which ratified the Constitution; was condemned by the explanatory amendments proposed by Congress themselves to the Constitution; and he hoped it would receive its final condemnation, by the vote of this house.

No, but as you said, Madison supported the First national Bank (That's right, this is sarcasm). And you have the nerve to ask for my historical credentials?

NOW LETS SEE YOU PRETEND THIS POST NEVER EXISTED!

Your Response : (Note how you edited my post so as to avoid the shame of a losing argument) Also look how you changed the standard (THE SECOND HISTORICALLY INACURATE CLAIM)

Be prepared to look foolish! You hereby have lost all credibility on historical matters!

Yes, you have lost it. You did not graduate from college obviously, or you would admit the following, which documented in your sources.

Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South.. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank.

All of the above are the truth, no matter how you shade it.

Amazing how the facts undermine you guys.

My Response

My Response

Be prepared to look foolish! You hereby have lost all credibility on historical matters!

It was Hamilton that supported the first national bank and Washington asked Randolph, Jefferson, and Hamilton to draft their opinions on the constitutionality of the issue. Hamilton won out and Washington RELUCTANTLY signed the bank into law. Madison was the largest opponent of the first national bank in congress on constitutional grounds! Jefferson also was against the bank on constitutional grounds. As was Attorney General Randolph! The Second National Bank, however, was chartered by Madison many years later as the precedent had been set and the American economy was then largely shattered after the closing of the First NB and the War of 1812.

Avalon Project - Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791
Online Library of Liberty - James Madison's Speech on the Bank Bill 2 February 1791 - Liberty and Order: The First American Party Struggle
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...JkWkse8KkMj17G1syvKl1vg&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc
Avalon Project - Hamilton's Opinion as to the Constitutionality of the Bank of the United States : 1791
First Bank of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Bank of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I graduated from a very selective leftist private liberal arts college (understatement) to study history of all things with a 3.9 GPA. Go figure huh? If I can hold my own against well published liberal/Marxist professors on the subject of American history (and be graded well for such opposite views) I can certainly take what ill-informed drivel you dish out. Go back to whatever college/university you graduated from and get your money back!



No, but as you said, Madison supported the First national Bank (That's right, this is sarcasm). And you have the nerve to ask for my historical credentials?

NOW LETS SEE YOU PRETEND THIS POST NEVER EXISTED!

.

Yes, you have lost it. You did not graduate from college obviously, or you would admit the following, which documented in your sources.

Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South.. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank.

All of the above are the truth, no matter how you shade it.

Amazing how the facts undermine you guys.

I'm sorry, it seems as though you miss quoted my response. I have therefore made the proper correction. AND WHY WOULD I ADMIT THE ABOVE IN MY SOURCES!!?? They were never in question! The Diner Table Compromise, otherwise known as the Compromise of 1790, had to deal with the Residence Act and the Assumption/Funding Acts of 1790, not the "Bank Bill" which happened a full year later in 1791! The Bank Bill was denounced by Madison and Jefferson before and after it's passage and signing into law. And, as otherwise stated by you, Madison was in office upon the 2nd National Bank. Now don't try to skirt around your ignorance of US history by subsequently adding a separate topic for me to chase after in light of the glaring evidence of your ignorance so graciously provided in the above posts. Like all government programs, once they come into existence they are damn hard to get rid of. Jackson would later find this out. Once again, I have revoked your history card. Go back to school, slap your history professors in the face, and demand your money back!

Your Final Response. (Note how you changed from your original argument posted above!) (Also note how you simply reasserted a new/revised claim) (Furthermore, note how you once again took out all the sources/references I provided so as to remove yourself from the shame of a losing argument)

Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration.

Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank.

All of the above are the truth, no matter how the far right reactionaries shade it.

Amazing how the facts undermine you guys.

I'm sorry, it seems as though you miss quoted my response. !

Nope. You are refusing to admit that Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Webster, JQ Adams, Clay, and Calhoun all supported the national banks at one time or another.

OP fail.

I think this just about sums it up. You have abandoned your original argument and your nonsense has been disproven. Oh, and the OP? The OP has nothing to do with the subject matter we're discussing, however, I do suppose that saying "OP fail" is perhaps a good way for the weak minded to reassure themselves in their false convictions.

Though I would like you to point at my "assertion" that these founders did not support a bank at one time or another. THAT WAS NOT YOUR ORIGINAL ARGUMENT and I did not challenged the facts you provided, only the massive and embarrassing historical inaccuracies.

 

[JakeStarkey]

After I demonstrated Publius cannot disprove the following "Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration. // Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank. // All of the above are the truth, no matter how the far right reactionaries shade it.", the whine wrote

I would suggest revisiting this post. And be careful in making false claims against me. Particularly the ones that you cannot support with previous posts. I made it clear via highlighting (Red) your inaccuracies and changes in your claim.

Publius's claims are false that none of them supported national banks, when in fact all of them did at one time or another. They knew they needed the centralized banking policy to stabilize the government finances and offer economic growth to the country.

Within five years of passing Hamilton's banking and assumption legislation, the US had the best credit rating in Europe.

So, Publius (and you only get one chance before I rub your nose in it again), did the named Leaders above support one or both of our national banks at one time or another. Yes or no?

 

[Publius1787]

After I demonstrated Publius cannot disprove the following "Hamilton supported the 1st National Bank, and Washington came on board; Madison and Jefferson supported it in return for the national capitol being placed in the South. Adams supported it. Jefferson as president supported it and did not oppose it during his administration. // Monroe, Webster, John Q. Adam, Clay, Calhoun, and others supported the 2d National Bank, because the lack of the Bank and the War of 1812 ruined the economy. These leaders knew the country needed a national bank. // All of the above are the truth, no matter how the far right reactionaries shade it.", the whine wrote

I would suggest revisiting this post. And be careful in making false claims against me. Particularly the ones that you cannot support with previous posts. I made it clear via highlighting (Red) your inaccuracies and changes in your claim.

The claims that none of them supported national banks, when in fact all of them did at one time or another, are false. They knew they needed the centralized banking policy to stabilize the government finances and offer economic growth to the country.

Within five years of passing Hamilton's banking and assumption legislation, the US had the best credit rating in Europe.

So, Publius (and you only get one chance before I rub your nose in it again), did the named Leaders above
support one or both of our national banks at one time or another. Yes or no?

Not your original claim. Supporting a new entity is much different than supporting an established entity. Think Social Security. Think National Banks. Your original claim that I challenged was that Madison and Jefferson supported the 1st national Bank. THEY DID NOT! Your second claim I challenged stated that Madison was out of office by the 2nd National bank. HE WAS NOT. Your third claim that I challenged was that the Dinner Table Compromise was a tradeoff for a national bank. IT WAS NOT. That's what I challenged and that stands! I did not argue anything else. Everything is perfectly sourced and documented via links! I am sorry if they did not fit your understanding of history but history changes for no man. Realizing the error of your ways you have changed your original claim to better suit your purposes. Admit you were wrong on those three points and we will continue.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Think the truth: all the named individuals did at one time or another support national banks.

All your wriggling does not change that, which sinks the OP.

Yes, Madison and Jefferson supported the 1st National Bank in return for the national capitol being built in the South. There was no way the bills would have passed without their support. And Washington happily used the EO power to build the capitol. As did Adams. As did Jefferson. As did Madison until it expired in 1811. As did Monroe, JQ Adams, Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, John Calhoun and others happily support its recreation as the 2d Bank.

Your revision of the Federalist period flounders. Fact.

 

[Publius1787]

Think the truth: all the named individuals did at one time or another support national banks.

All your wriggling does not change that, which sinks the OP.

Yes, Madison and Jefferson supported the 1st National Bank in return for the national capitol being built in the South. No way to get away from that, friend.

And Washington happily used the EO power to build the capitol.

Your revision of the Federalist period flounders Fact.

I have already proven otherwise through links and sources. NOW PRVIDE ME LINKS AND SOURCES OF YOUR OWN that prove the following three claims of fiction;

Your false claims

1. Madison & Jefferson supported the First national Bank
2. Madison was out of office during the chartering of the Second National Bank
3. The Dinner Table Compromise was a tradeoff for the 1st National Bank in exchange for the location of Washington DC.

Show me the money! Such history, if true, should be easily found, should it not?

Now lets see if you pretend that this post never exited, or, simply repeat the same three claims above without providing the facts to back them up, or revise your original claims as if you never made them. My vote is on the latter of the three.

 

[SmedlyButler]

Ultimate Alphas like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, most of the founding fathers, Jesus Christ et al would all be considered pretty liberal for their day.

Oh yeah, I could have included my namesake two-time CMH winner Smedly.

SB

Jobs is an example of a beta transformed into an Alpha. Gates is an example of a beta plagiarist who squeaked his way to the top by theft and hired a bunch of Alphas to bring his company up to the status it enjoys today. Jesus an alpha? Oh, he may have existed, but his actions are that of fairy tales. He was a beta all the way surrounded by a cult who turned him into a religion. There were many of his kind throughout the day. So why did you choose ol Smedly?

Hey you skipped the founding fathers "Plublius". Now I know you have an opinion on them.

Smedly Butler, love the name liked his story.

SB

 

[Publius1787]

Ultimate Alphas like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, most of the founding fathers, Jesus Christ et al would all be considered pretty liberal for their day.

Oh yeah, I could have included my namesake two-time CMH winner Smedly.

SB

Jobs is an example of a beta transformed into an Alpha. Gates is an example of a beta plagiarist who squeaked his way to the top by theft and hired a bunch of Alphas to bring his company up to the status it enjoys today. Jesus an alpha? Oh, he may have existed, but his actions are that of fairy tales. He was a beta all the way surrounded by a cult who turned him into a religion. There were many of his kind throughout the day. So why did you choose ol Smedly?

Hey you skipped the founding fathers "Plublius". Now I know you have an opinion on them.

Smedly Butler, love the name liked his story.

SB

Both of his medals are at the Marine Corps museum at Quantico if you're ever interested in going. I thought you were an old Devil Dog like me.

I have already commented on the founding fathers. I will comment further if you would like. Which ones in particular did you have in mind?

 

[SmedlyButler]

Just generally curious about whether you would categorize them liberal or conservative if you had to pick a label

Devil Dog. Hmmm....My dear old dad used to use the acronym M.A.R.I.N.E. Muscles Required Intelligence......you know.

 

[Publius1787]

Just generally curious about whether you would categorize them liberal or conservative if you had to pick a label

Devil Dog. Hmmm....My dear old dad used to use the acronym M.A.R.I.N.E. Muscles Required Intelligence......you know.

.....Not Expected; Sorry, yeah, yeah)

it depends on which ones you are talking about and the context of which you're talking about them. Do you mean looking at them by todays standards or by their standards? And how do you define liberal? Todays liberals certainly aren't liberal at all. Conservatives are the modern liberals. I will refer you to this video at the 1:10 mark.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfdRpyfEmBE]Milton Friedman - YouTube[/ame]


Remember, our modern liberals are not the classical liberals many of our founders were. They initially called themselves progressives but that name was tarnished because communists and socialists likewise called themselves progressives. In order to remake their image they renamed themselves "liberals" which is the exact opposite of the results of their policies. Modern liberal ideas do not promote freedom and liberty.


If you classify what your looking for and who you're looing at, I will address it.

 

[SmedlyButler]

To most of your con brethren FDR was the archetypal Liberal. Of course he had to drag the Old Right non-interventionists kicking and screaming into his effort to aid Churchill battle Nazism. Where are these Cons in your spectrum of appeasement?

 

[Publius1787]

To most of your con brethren FDR was the archetypal Liberal. Of course he had to drag the Old Right non-interventionists kicking and screaming into his effort to aid Churchill battle Nazism. Where are these Cons in your spectrum of appeasement?

Indeed, if we were thought anything by WWII, it is that isolationism is over. Indeed, I am a neocon. What of it? And FDR was a "lefter" than average liberal.