Where Trump will be rated by historians among the other presidents (Poll)

[kyzr]

Once again it might seem like a lifetime but it's been only three years. Nobody ever rated a president on the basis of three years. Why not wait another five and see what happens?

Historians will do that.
This thread is a real-time discussion to try and predict where Trump will end up.
Among the Best, the Worst , or just Mediocre?

 

[JLW]

In 100 years they will be tracking time differently. 2015 BT and 2016 AT

Only by the Trump cult.

 

[kyzr]

In 100 years they will be tracking time differently. 2015 BT and 2016 AT

Only by the Trump cult.

We do like Trump's many accomplishments, and his judges, and his justices, and his energy, just not his tweets.

 

[talksalot]

Where do you rate Obama?

 

[bluzman61]

Lets take a look at Trump compared to other presidents on the "America First" scale from the "historians" viewpoint, which is the longer view of presidential impacts. Many of Trump's "upsetting the apple-cart" and/or "bull in the China shop" policies and personality may not look good short term, but I believe that Trump will end up in the higher end of the "Mid-Grade" presidents based on his "Promises Kept" and fabulous economy. If Trump gets a 2nd term and keep doing great things he may even end up at the bottom of the Best presidents list, alongside Reagan, Ike, and Truman.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

The BEST presidents
Washington, fought the Revolution
Abe Lincoln, saved the Union
Jefferson, the Constitution
Ted Roosevelt, had many Trump "populist" qualities, "Square Deal", trust busting, brash, big ideas
FDR, WW2, saved the world
Harry Truman, "the Bomb" and post-WW2 stability, "no nonsense foreign policy"
Eisenhower
Reagan

The WORST presidents
Harding
Johnson
Buchanan
Pierce
Fillmore
Taylor
Tyler
Grant
Coolidge
Hoover

Recent "Mid-Grade" presidents
------------ higher rated
Obama
Clinton
Kennedy
Johnson
Bush-I
---------- lower rated
Nixon
Ford
Carter
Bush-II

When all is said and done after he officially leaves the White House in January of 2025, those with ANY intelligence will rank him in the top 5 all-time.

 

[Crepitus]

Lets take a look at Trump compared to other presidents on the "America First" scale from the "historians" viewpoint, which is the longer view of presidential impacts. Many of Trump's "upsetting the apple-cart" and/or "bull in the China shop" policies and personality may not look good short term, but I believe that Trump will end up in the higher end of the "Mid-Grade" presidents based on his "Promises Kept" and fabulous economy. If Trump gets a 2nd term and keep doing great things he may even end up at the bottom of the Best presidents list, alongside Reagan, Ike, and Truman.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

The BEST presidents
Washington, fought the Revolution
Abe Lincoln, saved the Union
Jefferson, the Constitution
Ted Roosevelt, had many Trump "populist" qualities, "Square Deal", trust busting, brash, big ideas
FDR, WW2, saved the world
Harry Truman, "the Bomb" and post-WW2 stability, "no nonsense foreign policy"
Eisenhower
Reagan

The WORST presidents
Harding
Johnson
Buchanan
Pierce
Fillmore
Taylor
Tyler
Grant
Coolidge
Hoover

Recent "Mid-Grade" presidents
------------ higher rated
Obama
Clinton
Kennedy
Johnson
Bush-I
---------- lower rated
Nixon
Ford
Carter
Bush-II

0.0

 

[B. Kidd]

Trump is the 1st Revolutionary President since George Washington!
Except, this time the enemy is not a foreign one; it's against 'the enemy within'.
Namely called Progressivism!!!

 

[jasonnfree]

trump's easily the worst of the worst but the law of averages says he's bound to be accidentally right once in a while. A funny clip about this clueless, ignorant p.o.s.

 

[MisterBeale]

The worst president in the history of the Republic was Wilson.

Any president that would allow the introduction into the constitution of the income tax Amendment and sign the Federal Reserve Act, allowed us to be pulled into WWI, set the table for the UN, needed to be tar and feather.

FDR comes a close second.

 

[blackhawk]

It really doesn't matter sooner or later historians will let their personal feelings and politcs determine how they rank Presidents just like everyone else does.

 

[BluesLegend]

In 100 years they will be tracking time differently. 2015 BT and 2016 AT

Only by the Trump cult.

We do like Trump's many accomplishments, and his judges, and his justices, and his energy, just not his tweets.

Plus he made Democrats cry, fun times.

 

[Thunk]

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[my2¢]

I went with #4, based on my judgement on those that do these types judging. I suspect he'll receive little respect from those academic head eggs.

 

[kyzr]

Where do you rate Obama?

Obama inherited a mess from dumb and dumber.
As the US dug out from the "great recession" Obama's leftist tendencies showed thru.
I'm not a fan of his giving Iran $150b to play with and develop nukes and ICBMs.
If as we suspect, that "Operation Crossfire Hurricane" turns out to be the biggest scandal in US history, the history books will not be kind to Obama. I rate him as one of the worst, an example is "those jobs are not coming back", and Trump is bringing jobs back.
These links document Obama's other controversies. Like IRS targeting, Benghazi, Obamacare, NSA warrant-less surveillance, Solyndra, Snowden, and the rest.
Category:Obama administration controversies - Wikipedia

List of federal political scandals in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

Where do you rate Obama?

PopQuiz:

Which one doesn’t belong:

Kim Philby;

Barack Obama;

Judas Iscariot;

Benedict Arnold?






Just kiddin’- all four belong...all four are traitors....they all sold out to the enemy.

 

[harmonica]

Ask me when he leaves office.

This is intended to be a long range prediction, by future historians.
I'm not saying based on Trump's 1st three years, with all the deep state "resistance", Crossfire Hurricane, and the Mueller Investigation, and now Nancy's "impeachment". I'm saying take a look at Trump's policies and predict their long term impacts.
Will they lead to long-term US prosperity, or will they eventually lead to a decline of US wealth and influence?

Middle of the bottom group.

Despite the hoopla from his followers, nothing much in his first term has been all that earth shattering. USMCA is just a tweak of NAFTA, Phase 1 is a minor deal that does not move the economic needle much, GDP growth has been bad. His biggest "accomplishment" has been the UE rate staying as low as it has.

Assuming he gets 4 more years we will have a recession during that time, anyone that thinks not has not payed attention to history.
With the Fed rate still very low there is little room for them to act without taking Trump's plan of negative interest rates seriously which would cement his place towards the bottom. The deficit is already out of control, just think what happens when we have a recession, based on the last two it is not unreasonable to assume the deficit will hit close to or even over 3 trillion in a year.

He has nothing else that will be a lasting legacy at this time, maybe that will change if he gets 4 more yeras.

Also, keep in mind that Crossfire Hurricane, the Mueller Investigation and the impeachment are always going to be part of his legacy and will be in the history books forever. You cannot discount them when predicting his place in history.

nothing Earth shattering????
???????--but he's been in the news the WHOLE time!!!!!!--because we FINALLY have someone who is not afraid--not kissing every voter's a$$--someone who is not afraid to tell it like it is

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ask me when he leaves office.

This is intended to be a long range prediction, by future historians.
I'm not saying based on Trump's 1st three years, with all the deep state "resistance", Crossfire Hurricane, and the Mueller Investigation, and now Nancy's "impeachment". I'm saying take a look at Trump's policies and predict their long term impacts.
Will they lead to long-term US prosperity, or will they eventually lead to a decline of US wealth and influence?

Middle of the bottom group.

Despite the hoopla from his followers, nothing much in his first term has been all that earth shattering. USMCA is just a tweak of NAFTA, Phase 1 is a minor deal that does not move the economic needle much, GDP growth has been bad. His biggest "accomplishment" has been the UE rate staying as low as it has.

Assuming he gets 4 more years we will have a recession during that time, anyone that thinks not has not payed attention to history.
With the Fed rate still very low there is little room for them to act without taking Trump's plan of negative interest rates seriously which would cement his place towards the bottom. The deficit is already out of control, just think what happens when we have a recession, based on the last two it is not unreasonable to assume the deficit will hit close to or even over 3 trillion in a year.

He has nothing else that will be a lasting legacy at this time, maybe that will change if he gets 4 more yeras.

Also, keep in mind that Crossfire Hurricane, the Mueller Investigation and the impeachment are always going to be part of his legacy and will be in the history books forever. You cannot discount them when predicting his place in history.

nothing Earth shattering????
???????--but he's been in the news the WHOLE time!!!!!!--because we FINALLY have someone who is not afraid--not kissing every voter's a$$--someone who is not afraid to tell it like it is

That just makes him a jerk, not a good president.

 

[harmonica]

Ask me when he leaves office.

This is intended to be a long range prediction, by future historians.
I'm not saying based on Trump's 1st three years, with all the deep state "resistance", Crossfire Hurricane, and the Mueller Investigation, and now Nancy's "impeachment". I'm saying take a look at Trump's policies and predict their long term impacts.
Will they lead to long-term US prosperity, or will they eventually lead to a decline of US wealth and influence?

Middle of the bottom group.

Despite the hoopla from his followers, nothing much in his first term has been all that earth shattering. USMCA is just a tweak of NAFTA, Phase 1 is a minor deal that does not move the economic needle much, GDP growth has been bad. His biggest "accomplishment" has been the UE rate staying as low as it has.

Assuming he gets 4 more years we will have a recession during that time, anyone that thinks not has not payed attention to history.
With the Fed rate still very low there is little room for them to act without taking Trump's plan of negative interest rates seriously which would cement his place towards the bottom. The deficit is already out of control, just think what happens when we have a recession, based on the last two it is not unreasonable to assume the deficit will hit close to or even over 3 trillion in a year.

He has nothing else that will be a lasting legacy at this time, maybe that will change if he gets 4 more yeras.

Also, keep in mind that Crossfire Hurricane, the Mueller Investigation and the impeachment are always going to be part of his legacy and will be in the history books forever. You cannot discount them when predicting his place in history.

nothing Earth shattering????
???????--but he's been in the news the WHOLE time!!!!!!--because we FINALLY have someone who is not afraid--not kissing every voter's a$$--someone who is not afraid to tell it like it is

That just makes him a jerk, not a good president.

....sorry--but it's true--he's different--in a good way......so someone FINALLY calling out the jackass MSM is a jerk???!!!!!???

 

[BluesLegend]

That just makes him a jerk, not a good president.

Do you think George Washington won a war and founded a country by being a fragile snowflake afraid to hurt some puke liberal snots feelings? If the Dem party had any men left in their ranks they would have a clue.

 

[eagle7_31]

Lets take a look at Trump compared to other presidents on the "America First" scale from the "historians" viewpoint, which is the longer view of presidential impacts. Many of Trump's "upsetting the apple-cart" and/or "bull in the China shop" policies and personality may not look good short term, but I believe that Trump will end up in the higher end of the "Mid-Grade" presidents based on his "Promises Kept" and fabulous economy. If Trump gets a 2nd term and keep doing great things he may even end up at the bottom of the Best presidents list, alongside Reagan, Ike, and Truman.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

The BEST presidents
Washington, fought the Revolution
Abe Lincoln, saved the Union
Jefferson, the Constitution
Ted Roosevelt, had many Trump "populist" qualities, "Square Deal", trust busting, brash, big ideas
FDR, WW2, saved the world
Harry Truman, "the Bomb" and post-WW2 stability, "no nonsense foreign policy"
Eisenhower
Reagan

The WORST presidents
Harding
Johnson
Buchanan
Pierce
Fillmore
Taylor
Tyler
Grant
Coolidge
Hoover

Recent "Mid-Grade" presidents
------------ higher rated
Obama
Clinton
Kennedy
Johnson
Bush-I
---------- lower rated
Nixon
Ford
Carter
Bush-II

too early to tell.