Which country's health care system would you adopt?

[wshaw14]

"I got nothing" That is no real surprise. I have really seen nothing that you have contributed either. Little smart ass quips. No facts at all.

 

[wshaw14]

To save a 1000-2000 per day I would gladly sit with a relative or friend. Even with
24-7 I guarantee it is not 1/2 as expensive as our hospital or medical care.

 

[wshaw14]

"My health care is the best in the world. I can get treatment anytime I want for anything that ales me". Stupid

You can get treatment if your insurance company agrees to pay for it. More and more increasingly they are not agreeing to. Have you ever had to get a referral to a specialist?? Have you ever had a referral denied? Have you ever had to get a referral to get a referral? I have. You are smug right now with your " I have it and you don't, so screw you attitude. You could loose what you have with a stroke of a pen. How does that make you feel??? Smug? Secure??
I pray that this happens to all that want to deny basic health care to others.

 

[wshaw14]

First off I do not buy that 80% of people are happy with their health insurance. Every claim being rejected and having to appeal them to get them paid.
I do however think that 80% can put up with it since employers are paying for it and they have no idea what it is costing them. Ignorance is bliss and since I am covered the hell with everybody else.

 

[wshaw14]

Brainwashed ? If you are among the top 10% wage earner you are correct. If not
you could be DEAD wrong.

 

[wshaw14]

Really, and you do? Send out insults, that is easy. With no answers? that shows your lack of knowledge.

 

[wshaw14]

That is really a stupid statement, check out the wait times here if you dont have coverage. It is not that wonderful if you do have coverage. I have never once waited more than 1 hour in a doctors waiting room in Canada. I have waited 5 hours in an emergency room here and 3 hours in a doctors waiting room with an appointment. I have a daughter that is a nurse and it has been explained to me that they double book every appointment. They are not the least bit concerned about keeping appointments.

"we have the best health care in the world" Only an idiot would believe this.

 

[wshaw14]

Oh my gosh, what a bright little light. Last minute most expensive (life Saving maybe) . That is the way to go. Spend 10s of thousands instead of 40-50.00
for a doctor visit. (if you will find one of the greedy sob that will accept 50.00)

 

[wshaw14]

That link does not make the point . "RETARD" Take your head out of your ass and read before posting,. "RETARD" Please feel free to put me on your IGNORE
I would consider it a privilege.

 

[EriktheRed]

After seeing some compared side to side, I was most impressed with Switzerland.

 

[Charles Stucker]

After seeing some compared side to side, I was most impressed with Switzerland.

The progression in politics
Lie, then Damn Lies, then Statistics.

I'm not sure if Switzerland has a system which would work well in a larger country like the US, but anyone who wants a socialist medicine system could, for example, move to England, or France, or any of those other countries where they do have such a system. Go ahead, I won't miss you.

The other alternative is to have socialist medicine at the state level where it belongs. That is even better. If you want more socialism go to Massachusetts or one of the other socialist states. If you want freedom go elsewhere.

 

[Political Junky]

After seeing some compared side to side, I was most impressed with Switzerland.

The progression in politics
Lie, then Damn Lies, then Statistics.

I'm not sure if Switzerland has a system which would work well in a larger country like the US, but anyone who wants a socialist medicine system could, for example, move to England, or France, or any of those other countries where they do have such a system. Go ahead, I won't miss you.

The other alternative is to have socialist medicine at the state level where it belongs. That is even better. If you want more socialism go to Massachusetts or one of the other socialist states. If you want freedom go elsewhere.

Interesting that you say Massachusetts has a Socialist system. It was put through by Romney who was for it before he was against it.

 

[Political Junky]

After seeing some compared side to side, I was most impressed with Switzerland.

The Swiss have a system which uses private insurance, but they are prohibited by law from making a profit. Good deal.

 

[Meister]

After seeing some compared side to side, I was most impressed with Switzerland.

The progression in politics
Lie, then Damn Lies, then Statistics.

I'm not sure if Switzerland has a system which would work well in a larger country like the US, but anyone who wants a socialist medicine system could, for example, move to England, or France, or any of those other countries where they do have such a system. Go ahead, I won't miss you.

The other alternative is to have socialist medicine at the state level where it belongs. That is even better. If you want more socialism go to Massachusetts or one of the other socialist states. If you want freedom go elsewhere.

Interesting that you say Massachusetts has a Socialist system. It was put through by Romney who was for it before he was against it.

Shame on Romney, but he sure sees it's a big failure now. It's a financial boondoggle now. So does the the citizens of that great state, hence Brown winning the seat in the special election. What was to cost around 12 million, is up to 900 million a year.
Don't have to be a rocket scientist to connect the dots from the state to the federal level on this one.

 

[EriktheRed]

I'm not sure if Switzerland has a system which would work well in a larger country like the US, but anyone who wants a socialist medicine system could, for example, move to England, or France, or any of those other countries where they do have such a system. Go ahead, I won't miss you.

No, I think I'll stick around for a while, thank you.

 

[Charles Stucker]

I'm not sure if Switzerland has a system which would work well in a larger country like the US, but anyone who wants a socialist medicine system could, for example, move to England, or France, or any of those other countries where they do have such a system. Go ahead, I won't miss you.

No, I think I'll stick around for a while, thank you.

Is that because socialists are never happy allowing hard workers to keep their pay?

 

[EriktheRed]

I'm not sure if Switzerland has a system which would work well in a larger country like the US, but anyone who wants a socialist medicine system could, for example, move to England, or France, or any of those other countries where they do have such a system. Go ahead, I won't miss you.

No, I think I'll stick around for a while, thank you.

Is that because socialists are never happy allowing hard workers to keep their pay?

No, it's because RW assholes like you want me to go, therefore I'll stay.

 

[WillowTree]

Why do you think you necessarily need to look outside yourself for answers?

Can't you kindly answer my question first?

I already did, you're just not picking it up.

America should create its own model and quit worrying what a bunch of socialists are doing.

Now, why is it you seem to believe that an answer necessarily needs to come from without?

you need to answer his damn question. he's a lefty and he demands it. he's entitled to it,, there is so sort of law..

 

[WillowTree]

If you had to replace the U.S. system, which country's health care system would you replace it with?

this subject ties with Palin threads in dead horse beating. you got yer ticket to France francis??

 

[emilynghiem]

If you had to replace the U.S. system, which country's health care system would you replace it with?

1. the Kingdom of God where spiritual healing is free. Various recovery programs, from AA to the Alternatives to Violence Project, demonic deliverance, and other forms of forgiveness therapy rely on individual voluntary choice to end abusive or addictive patterns that result in mental and physical illness and symptoms that medications often treat without curing the cause. These cannot be mandated or regulated by federal government. (though if dangerous cases of criminal sickness can be shown to be medically cured through spiritual treatments, it could be mandated in cases where public safety is at risk.)

2. The federal plans of the President and Congress as an equal OPTION for all citizens

3. the current system we have now that allows people the choice of going through charity, church, public or private programs; but I would also add more medical research to prove that spiritual healing methods can cure or reduce cases of cancer, addiction, and criminal illness, in order to make this free and accessible to more people. what is missing is public education and organization of available resources, instead of mandating or charging more.

4. A Constitutional system of using restitution from past crimes, abuses or corruption to build community managed schools, teaching hospitals, correctional facilities, vet care housing, and residential campuses that combine education with social service internships.
Such a system would be a combination of programs or plans already in existence.

Some models I would cite:
* the Nurturing Network
* USAA insurance, which currently serves military families and was one of the companies that testified before Congress as a successful entreprise that did not require legislation
* APV residential college plan for renovating public housing as community campus
http://www.houstonprogressive.org/campus.html
* rebuilding UTMB in Galveston which served a large indigent population
* converting the prison system into correctional schools with work-study programs through cost-effective recovery groups such as the Justice Fellowship, Success Through Addiction Recovery, No More Victims, Alternatives to Violence Project, to name a few.

Programs like these show how effective services can be provided and expanded upon with current funds and free donations, without charging taxpayers more than we already pay.

Immigration reform, including restitution for individual, labor, and trafficking violations, would come from organizing institutions, communities, and academic management of resources to provide public services by state without costing more than the billions already being wasted on ineffective prisons, law enforcement, and losses to crime and fraud.

While the restitution is being assessed, sought, and recovered from convicted wrongdoers, which should be a requirement for citizenship, the federal reserve or various states could issue notes or bonds against the debts and damages owed to the public, and use those funds, as assessed per state or per issue, to fund the development of campus facilities and jobs under collaborating universities, businesses, states or charities/churches. Again the wrongdoers responsible for the crimes should work or pay off the debts, not the taxpayers and law-abiding citizens otherwise victimized two or three times over.

Models for local currency and microfinancing loans or grant donations are already in existence:
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