Zone1 The Biblical Timeline for The Resurrection

[TruthSeeker112125]

But all of the original stones from the Second Temple were moved to get at all the gold that melted when the Second Temple was built. The Romans then constructed Fortress Antonia, which is the modern Temple Mount.

What Jesus predicted came to pass very accurately.

Do You have Documentation/ Historical Records?

 

[DennisPTate]

Do You have Documentation/ Historical Records?

Here is the result of a simple search. I was probably incorrect about the foundation stones. If those were left in place then the existing Temple Mount could overlap the Second Temple by the width of those foundation stones that were perhaps not moved?

Not all stones from the Second Temple were removed by the Romans. While the main sanctuary building was completely destroyed and its stones toppled, many of the massive retaining wall foundation stones remain in place and form the basis of what is known today as the Western Wall and the Temple Mount complex.

The Romans did systematically dismantle the actual Temple structure to fulfill Jesus's prophecy that "not one stone here will be left on another". This destruction was driven partly by the desire to recover melted gold and silver that had flowed into the cracks of the stones during the fire set by Roman soldiers in 70 AD, and partly as a punitive measure to crush the Jewish rebellion.
Key points regarding the remaining stones:

• Fallen Stones: In archaeological parks at the base of the Western Wall, a jumble of large stones, weighing several tons each, can still be seen lying where they were thrown down by the Romans from the top of the Temple Mount.
• Retaining Walls: The large, heavy foundation and lower courses of the massive retaining walls built by Herod the Great to expand the Temple Mount platform were too large and heavy to be effectively removed, and thus largely remained intact. The Western Wall (Kotel) is the most famous surviving section of these retaining walls.
• Foundation/Platform: The entire platform the Temple stood on, with its extensive substructures and retaining walls, still exists, although the original Temple sanctuary building itself is gone.
• Scavenging: Many of the smaller, more manageable stones from the destroyed buildings were later scavenged for other construction projects in Roman Aelia Capitolina (the new city built on the ruins of Jerusalem) and by subsequent cultures.

So, while the central sanctuary building was completely razed, its surrounding substructure and some fallen debris remain as powerful archaeological evidence of the Roman destruction.

 

[rstrats]

I reckon, that You need to state, how many Resurrections You Believe there are rstrats.

Why do I need to do that for you to say what resurrection you are talking about when you reference Matthew 24:29-31?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Here is the result of a simple search. I was probably incorrect about the foundation stones. If those were left in place then the existing Temple Mount could overlap the Second Temple by the width of those foundation stones that were perhaps not moved?

Dennis,....Do You have Reputable Documentation, such as Archeological, Historical, Quotes from Roman Commanders, Quotes from Josephus, etc., etc.?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Why do I need to do that for you to say what resurrection you are talking about when you reference Matthew 24:29-31?

Rstrats, maybe this will help:

Per Daniel:
Dan 12:1 “At that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who stands for the children of your people; and there will be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time. At that time your people will be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3 Those who are wise will shine as the brightness of the expanse. Those who turn many to righteousness will shine as the stars forever and ever.

Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Jer 30:3 For, behold, the days come,’ says Yahweh, ‘that I will reverse the captivity of my people Israel and Judah,’ says Yahweh. ‘I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they will possess it.’”
Jer 30:4 These are the words that Yahweh spoke concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
Jer 30:5 For Yahweh says: “We have heard a voice of trembling; a voice of fear, and not of peace.
Jer 30:6 Ask now, and see whether a man travails with child. Why do I see every man with his hands on his waist, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned pale?
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it. It is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he will be saved out of it.
Jer 30:8 It will come to pass in that day, says Yahweh of Armies, that I will break his yoke from off your neck, and will burst your bonds. Strangers will no more make them their bondservants;
Jer 30:9 but they will serve Yahweh their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up to them.
The Messiah clearly stated that He would return, after the "Abomination of Desolation", which will require the building of the Third Temple, as well as the "Little Horn"/"Beast", or whom "Christianity" calls the "Antichrist", entering that Temple, & proclaiming himself to be "God".
Jeremiah, Daniel, & Matthew, speak of One Resurrection, whereas Revelation speaks of two parts to that "Resurrection":
The Thousand Years
Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.
The Defeat of Satan
Rev 20:7 And after the thousand years, Satan will be released from his prison,
Rev 20:8 and he will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 They went up over the width of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. Fire came down out of heaven from God and devoured them. (Ezekiel 38:, 39
Rev 20:10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet are also. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Judgment Before the Great White Throne


Rev 20:11 I saw a great white throne, and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev 20:14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

** Psa 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of life, and not be written with the righteous.
Rev_3:5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels

Rev_13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.

Revelation complicates things by speaking of Two Resurrections, With the First One being those who were beheaded for refusing to worship the 'Little Horn", followed by those who are found in the "Book of Life".

But No Where, in The Scriptures, can it found where Millions/Billions of widely different in Belief "Christians" are gathered up to Heaven, so as to escape, "The Time of Yacob's Trouble"/"Tribulation".

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Correct!

The Second Temple and the Temple of King Solomon were NOT on the Temple Mount.

I've not read that book, but I've been pondering on this Dennis.

Do You realize that what You are upholding means that Kings David, & Solomon Defied YAHWEH?

And, simply put,..... The Tanach/Old Testament is packed with One Lie after another?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I Believe that "Key Words" found in the End Times Prophecies precisely state who will be "Resurrected", & When that "Resurrection" will occur.

For example, The KJV Bible states:

1Ch 16:13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
Psa_105:6 you offspring of Abraham, his servant, you children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
The KJV Bible with Strong's states:
1Ch 16:13 O ye seedH2233 of IsraelH3478 his servant,H5650 ye childrenH1121 of Jacob,H3290 his chosen ones.H972


H972
בָּחִיר
bâchı̂yr
baw-kheer'
From H977; select: - choose, chosen one, elect.
Total KJV occurrences: 13

Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isa_65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
Mat_24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mat_24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2Ti_2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

The "Elect", "Chosen ones", and "Saints" are all ,....One & the same.:
KJV Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
WEB Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
Geneva Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of Saints: here are they that keepe the commaundements of God, and the fayth of Iesus.

If One pays Strict Attention to the Biblical "Chosen Ones", "Saints", & "Elect",... I Believe that they will be shocked by comparing what RTge Scriptures truly state, vs. what they have been taught.

 

[Hafar1014]

Its all made up

 

[DennisPTate]

I've not read that book, but I've been pondering on this Dennis.

Do You realize that what You are upholding means that Kings David, & Solomon Defied YAHWEH?

And, simply put,..... The Tanach/Old Testament is packed with One Lie after another?

What I think that this means is that the words of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" was actually fulfilled at a level that is almost beyond our ability to imagine, after the Romans conquered Jerusalem and moved the stones of the Second Temple in order to get at the gold that had melted and had gone down between the stones of the temple.

And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2;And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

[Matthew 25]

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And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he...

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[The Irish Ram]

I Believe that "Key Words" found in the End Times Prophecies precisely state who will be "Resurrected", & When that "Resurrection" will occur.

For example, The KJV Bible states:

1Ch 16:13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
Psa_105:6 you offspring of Abraham, his servant, you children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
The KJV Bible with Strong's states:
1Ch 16:13 O ye seedH2233 of IsraelH3478 his servant,H5650 ye childrenH1121 of Jacob,H3290 his chosen ones.H972


H972
בָּחִיר
bâchı̂yr
baw-kheer'
From H977; select: - choose, chosen one, elect.
Total KJV occurrences: 13

Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isa_65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
Mat_24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mat_24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2Ti_2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

The "Elect", "Chosen ones", and "Saints" are all ,....One & the same.:
KJV Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
WEB Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
Geneva Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of Saints: here are they that keepe the commaundements of God, and the fayth of Iesus.

If One pays Strict Attention to the Biblical "Chosen Ones", "Saints", & "Elect",... I Believe that they will be shocked by comparing what RTge Scriptures truly state, vs. what they have been taught.

You have to make a distinction of the "chosen".

Bride>> Revelation 17:14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.
^ Notice that we had to have been taken up in the rapture, prior to Christ's return, in order to return with Him when He touches down at the Mt of Olives. They are two different events.

Jews>> Psalm 105:6 O offspring of Abraham, his servant, children of Jacob, his chosen ones.

One chosen by God. One chosen by Jesus.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

You have to make a distinction of the "chosen".

Bride>> Revelation 17:14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.
^ Notice that we had to have been taken up in the rapture, prior to Christ's return, in order to return with Him when He touches down at the Mt of Olives. They are two different events.

Jews>> Psalm 105:6 O offspring of Abraham, his servant, children of Jacob, his chosen ones.

One chosen by God. One chosen by Jesus.

"You have to make a distinction of the "chosen"."

I did.

 

[The Irish Ram]

There are 2. Bride, Jews. Since I am not Jewish, I'm in the Bride category. White horse, white linen, right behind Him.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

There are 2. Bride, Jews. Since I am not Jewish, I'm in the Bride category. White horse, white linen, right behind Him.

No.

It's One "Bride", that consists of Believing Yisraelites, & Believing Gentiles joined with them.

Isa 14:1 For Yahweh will have compassion on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land. The foreigner will join himself with them, and they will unite with the house of Jacob.
Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that once you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “uncircumcision” by that which is called “circumcision”, (in the flesh, made by hands);
Eph 2:12 that you were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off are made near in the blood of Christ.
Eph 3:6 that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of his promise in Christ Jesus through the Good News,

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yes. There are two. Bride and Jew. Both well described in the Bible. God~Israel. Jesus~Bride. Both referred to as the chosen. Context reveals which is which.

 

[DennisPTate]

There is only one place God's Temple can be and it requires the Mosque be removed

Ernest L Martin was told by a renowned Israeli archeologist that the Temple of King Solomon must have been over the Gihon Spring which is several hundred meters away from both the Al Aqsa Mosque and The Dome of the Rock.

The Levitical rituals require a lot of water.

In his 1999 book The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot, Martin argued that the Haram al-Sharif is not the location of the last Temple. This was significant given his relationship with Herbert W. Armstrong whose editorial in The Plain Truth magazine was cited by Denis Michael Rohan as a reason for setting fire to the Al Aqsa mosque during the 1960s.

The basis of this work began with Martin's first visit to Jerusalem in 1961 when he first met Benjamin Mazar and later his son Ory Mazar, who informed him of his belief that the Temples of Solomon and Zerubbabel were located on the Ophel mound to the north of the original Mount Zion on the southeast ridge. In a 1996 draft report to support this theory, Martin wrote, "I was then under the impression that Simon the Hasmonean (along with Herod a century later) moved the Temple from the Ophel mound to the Dome of the Rock area." However, after studying the words of Josephus concerning the Temple of Herod the Great, which was reported to be in the same general area of the former Temples, he then read the account of Eleazar who led the final contingent of Jewish resistance to the Romans at Masada which stated that the Roman fortress was the only structure left by 73 C.E.. "With this key in mind, I came to the conclusion in 1997 that all the Temples were indeed located on the Ophel mound over the area of the Gihon Spring."<a href="Ernest L. Martin - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> From these conclusions, Martin produced his book in which he asserted that the Temples of Jerusalem were located over the Gihon Spring and not over the Dome of the Rock. He wrote, "What has been amazing to me is the vast amount of Jewish, Muslim, and Christian records that remain available from the first to the sixteenth centuries that clearly vindicate the conclusions that I have reached in this book of research."

His other works are Restoring the Original Bible (1984), Secrets of Golgotha (1987), 101 Bible Secrets (1991), The Biblical Manual (1985) and The Essentials of New Testament Doctrine (1999).

Ernest L. Martin - Wikipedia

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Interestingly enough there is evidence of their having been a replica of the Ark of the Covenant made during the time of King Solomon.

So one of them could be at the Ezekiel Temple Complex and the other one could be at the soon to be built Jerusalem Third Temple

"In a September 1935, article in the National Geographic magazine, L. Roberts recorded his interviews with various priests in different parts of Ethiopia who consistently told the same story. They recounted that the Queen of Sheba had visited King Solomon and had had "a child", Menelik I. Solomon educated the lad in Jerusalem until he was nineteen years old. The boy then returned to Ethiopia with a large group of Jews, taking with him the true Ark of the Covenant.
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The Ethiopian official national epic known as the Glory of the Kings (Kebra-Nagasi) contains an amazing story which offers an explanation of what happened to the Ark of the Covenant. In addition, there are several Ethiopian murals which tell how the Ark and the Tablets of the Law were taken to Ethiopia for safekeeping by Prince Menelik I. ..... The Queen of Sheba, his mother, had died and the prince prepared to leave Jerusalem to return twenty-five hundred miles to his native country to become its king.

Prince Menelik bore an uncanny resemblance in beauty and regal bearing to his father. King Solomon wanted to give him a replica of the Ark to take with him to Ethiopia because the long distance would prevent him from ever again worshipping at the temple in Jerusalem.

However Prince Menelik was concerned with the growing apostasy of Israel and the fact that his father, Solomon was now allowing idols to be placed in the Temple to please his pagan wives. King Solomon gave the prince a going-away banquet and after the priests were filled with wine, Menelik and his loyal associates switched arks and left the replica in its place in the Holy of Holies.// (Grant Jeffrey, [page 115, Armageddon, Appointment with Destiny).

 

[Hafar1014]

Do You have Documentation/ Historical Records?

All predictions were made retroactively

 

[DennisPTate]

Dr. Grant Jeffrey did a good job of dealing with this subject.

"The Sacrificial System Will Continue

One of the most perplexing ideas to students of Scripture is the idea that God intends that the annual feasts, along with animal sacrifice, will continue into the Millennium. Many Christians who have studied the prophetic portions of Zechariah 14, Isaiah 66, and Ezekiel 40 - 48, which clearly describe these Millennial worship ordinations, are confused by the idea. They ask, "Didn't the sacrifice of Christ eliminate animal sacrifices forever?"

............"Only the complete sacrifice of Jesus could ever totally atone for our sins. However, God clearly demanded the sacrifices from Adam to Christ. Those sacrifices were acts of obedience to the direct command of God, as well as acknowledgements of one's own personal sinfulness and need for God's forgiveness. Animal sacrifices covered the sins of the people temporarily until the prophesied Messiah would come and offer Himself once and for all as the necessary atonement for sin. If animal sacrifice can never atone for sin, why would God allow Israel to resume such sacrifice in the Third Temple, prior to Armageddon, and then demand that Israel continue such sacrifice in the Millennium? There are two reasons why I believe this is true."

First, the early Jewish - Christian Church continued to offer sacrifices in the first century.".......



.......Second, New Testament writers used the legal sacrificial system to illustrate very important points concerning Christ's sacrifice on the Cross.......

..... These examples of the way early Jewish believers used God's law to teach great love when He sacrificed His only Son on the cross will be repeated during the Millennium." (Grant R. Jeffrey, Messiah, War in the Middle East and the Road to Armageddon, page 317, 318 and 319)

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

What I think that this means is that the words of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" was actually fulfilled at a level that is almost beyond our ability to imagine, after the Romans conquered Jerusalem and moved the stones of the Second Temple in order to get at the gold that had melted and had gone down between the stones of the temple.

No Sir,......What it means

Dr. Grant Jeffrey did a good job of dealing with this subject.

What does this have to do with the topic Dennis? "

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[TruthSeeker112125]

Yes. There are two. Bride and Jew. Both well described in the Bible. God~Israel. Jesus~Bride. Both referred to as the chosen. Context reveals which is which.

You are either not putting the Scriptures together/"connecting the dots" so to speak, or deliberately ignoring what I've posted Irish.

There is only, per the Book of Revelation, "One Bride".

Per what I've posted,.... There is only "One Way".

Per those Scriptures,.... Believing Yisrael, will be joined by the Believing Gentiles, and they will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[DennisPTate]

No Sir,......What it means

What does this have to do with the topic Dennis? "

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The first resurrection cannot happen until the time of Zechariah 14.

Zechariah chapter fourteen cannot happen until after a temple is constructed and is in use by Jews.

So I am thinking that if we really want the Jewish Messiah here on this earth we should encourage the Jewish people to fulfill what has been predicted that they will accomplish.

A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

7;Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8;Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

9;Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

10;Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:

11;That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.

12;For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

13;As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

14;And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.

15;For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[Isaiah 66]

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 66 - King James Version

Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is...

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