Zone1 Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?

It is not a separate event. We don't get raptured up, BEFORE all hell breaks through as people mistakenly believe....imo.

When Christ returns, those who died in Christ are called to Him first, and then those on Earth are called up, in to the cloud Christ arrives on...so, the dead in Christ first, then us that are still alive on Earth.
We don't get spared from the tribulation as hoped by many....there is no separate rapture before Christ's return....is what I've been taught......we go thru the hell on Earth to come and then are called up...
The Bible literally says that Christ will return "Immediately after" the great tribulation. Christians have had to suffer trials, tribulations, and persecution since the time of Christ, onward. Why should "end time" Christians get a free pass and be "raptured" before facing end time trials? Truth be told, God allows trial and tribulation as a test of our faith and our ability to overcome. We can actually learn from these trials which is the silver lining around the dark cloud.
 
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Rapture is non biblical. Catholics don’t believe in it. Nor do most Protestants. It is a construct that has only been around 100 years or so
Sorry about this Late Reply Mash, but,.....In "Chrsitianity"there is a massive number of "Sects', that firmly believe that they will be "Raptured up/out" before the Tribulation.
 
The Bible literally says that Christ will return "Immediately after" the great tribulation. Christians have had to suffer trials, tribulations, and persecution since the time of Christ, onward. Why should "end time" Christians get a free pass and be "raptured" before facing end time trials? Truth be told, God allows trial and tribulation as a test of our faith and our ability to overcome. We can actually learn from these trials which is the silver lining around the dark cloud.
AMEN Saxon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm a Christian and I voted for "Campaign Trump." I'm still a Christian and I denounce my support for Conman Trump. The Bible warned us that we could be deceived. I, admittedly, was deceived. Certainly a learning experience.
Nah, you’re going after conservative ideas and supporting leftwing ones now. That’s how we know the pro-Trump thing wasn’t real.
 
Nah, you’re going after conservative ideas and supporting leftwing ones now. That’s how we know the pro-Trump thing wasn’t real.
I haven't changed a single stance. Trump and his Kool-Ade drinking followers did. You all clapped when he said "no new wars." And you all clapped with he said "new wars." You'd clap if he kicked an old lady in the teeth.
 
I haven't changed a single stance. Trump and his Kool-Ade drinking followers did. You all clapped when he said "no new wars." And you all clapped with he said "new wars." You'd clap if he kicked an old lady in the teeth.
First off Trump’s quick strikes are exactly the means he employs to keep his promise and avoid endless wars. Secondly, he’s ending wars with countries that have long been at war with us. Thirdly, when Venezuela is pumping endless drugs into our country, and when Iran finds international terrorism financed by their oil revenue and is developing nukes, should we sit back and take it or be proactive?
 
I haven't changed a single stance. Trump and his Kool-Ade drinking followers did. You all clapped when he said "no new wars." And you all clapped with he said "new wars." You'd clap if he kicked an old lady in the teeth.
Yeah you go after everything Trump does just because it’s Trump. You complain about ICE doing its job, you complain about tariffs, and you complain about Maduro being removed. And in doing so, you empower the atheist Marxists trying to take over this country. These are people who want to shut down your Christian church.
 
First off Trump’s quick strikes are exactly the means he employs to keep his promise and avoid endless wars. Secondly, he’s ending wars with countries that have long been at war with us. Thirdly, when Venezuela is pumping endless drugs into our country, and when Iran finds international terrorism financed by their oil revenue and is developing nukes, should we sit back and take it or be proactive?
Trump bombed 8 nations in the first year of his second term. That's more than any other President in American history. Don't tell me he isn't a warmonger.

America doesn't have the "moral record" to police the rest of the world and judge them by their morals. America aborts more than a million babies a year. Trump says he'll do everything in his power to "protect the LGBTQ" community. You know ... the folks who read books to Kindergartners and beat up women in the boxing ring.

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Trump bombed 8 nations in the first year of his second term. That's more than any other President in American history. Don't tell me he isn't a warmonger.

America doesn't have the "moral record" to police the rest of the world and judge them by their morals. America aborts more than a million babies a year. Trump says he'll do everything in his power to "protect the LGBTQ" community. You know ... the folks who read books to Kindergartners and beat up women in the boxing ring.

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You haven’t yet answered why you back the atheist left that opposes Trump. Also, when did he supposedly say that about LGBTQ?.
 
Oh no you don't. Never have I called scripture lies. And you know it. You are twisting in the wind.

I call you the deceiver, like right now, thusly:
"If you are correct that souls merely sleep, then the whole story about the rich man and the beggar is a lie. Which is it"?"
The scripture is right. You are wrong.

"If you are correct, they must have had to dig Moses up to attend the transfiguration".
Was Moses at the transfiguration? Yes. Did scripture lie? No. You are simply wrong.

I have to ask, how do you deal with scripture that doesn't gel with your beliefs? Do you just ignore it?
Fit Luke 16:19-31 into your opinion that the soul sleeps with the body when we die.

It's you vs Paul:
2 Corinth.5:8 We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it.

You vs Moses:
Genesis 35:18 And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she (Rachel) called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.
Peter was the chief Apostle and head of the Church after Jesus Resurrection. In 1Peter chapters 3 and 4 he answered the other Apostles as the Prophet of God. Our spirits live. So, your definition of what a soul is has to change. Body and spirit together makes our souls. That union sleeps until the resurrection.
 
Many church leaders unwittingly teach "traditional" beliefs, that are not Biblical. Jesus warned about teaching 'traditions'.
I agree somewhat. Wood, but,....... When allegedly Intelligent Men & Women, decide that they are called to "Preach/Teach The Word", & they then go to a "Bible College", that upholds the "Belief System " that they have been brought up in, since being a child, or, a Belief System that has caught their attention, once they have become an Adult,...... If they Willingly accept Teachings fabricated by Man, that clearly "Water down"/"Corrupt", even Deny that which is found in The Scriptures,.....
Then, In My Belief,.... If they refuse to Question those "False Teachings", and point them out to all that will hear,... Then they have knowingly participated in the Teaching of a Satanic Lie to their "Flocks".

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree can’t produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that doesn’t grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’
Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he says also in Hosea, “I will call them ‘my people,’ which were not my people; and her ‘beloved,’ who was not beloved.”
Rom 9:26 “It will be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”
Rom 9:27 Isaiah cries concerning Israel, “If the number of the children of Israel are as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant who will be saved;
Rom 9:28 for He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, because the LORD will make a short work upon the earth.”

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

There is, and always has been "One Way", & that "Way", is easily found in both Testaments, and even in many "Un-Canonized Books & Letters", that "Man's Religions have rejected.

That "Way", has been rejected by the majority of the Religions of "Judaism", Catholicism, as well as the "Prostitute Daughters of Catholicism", being "Christianity". And, I'll include "Islam" in with those Religions due to it's plagiarizing of "Judaism", & Catholicism".

Only a "Remnant" of Mankind, dead, & alive, that have "Wittingly"/"Knowingly, embraced All of the Truth of "The Way", will enter The soon coming Kingdom of Heaven, as "Sons & Daughters of The Most High".
 
I agree somewhat. Wood, but,....... When allegedly Intelligent Men & Women, decide that they are called to "Preach/Teach The Word", & they then go to a "Bible College", that upholds the "Belief System " that they have been brought up in, since being a child, or, a Belief System that has caught their attention, once they have become an Adult,...... If they Willingly accept Teachings fabricated by Man, that clearly "Water down"/"Corrupt", even Deny that which is found in The Scriptures,.....
Then, In My Belief,.... If they refuse to Question those "False Teachings", and point them out to all that will hear,... Then they have knowingly participated in the Teaching of a Satanic Lie to their "Flocks".

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree can’t produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that doesn’t grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’
Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he says also in Hosea, “I will call them ‘my people,’ which were not my people; and her ‘beloved,’ who was not beloved.”
Rom 9:26 “It will be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”
Rom 9:27 Isaiah cries concerning Israel, “If the number of the children of Israel are as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant who will be saved;
Rom 9:28 for He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, because the LORD will make a short work upon the earth.”

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

There is, and always has been "One Way", & that "Way", is easily found in both Testaments, and even in many "Un-Canonized Books & Letters", that "Man's Religions have rejected.

That "Way", has been rejected by the majority of the Religions of "Judaism", Catholicism, as well as the "Prostitute Daughters of Catholicism", being "Christianity". And, I'll include "Islam" in with those Religions due to it's plagiarizing of "Judaism", & Catholicism".

Only a "Remnant" of Mankind, dead, & alive, that have "Wittingly"/"Knowingly, embraced All of the Truth of "The Way", will enter The soon coming Kingdom of Heaven, as "Sons & Daughters of The Most High".
I like the way you included the reconciliation of the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" cited in Hosea and Isaiah in your comments. This truth is rejected by most of Christianity as being racist.
 
First off Trump’s quick strikes are exactly the means he employs to keep his promise and avoid endless wars. Secondly, he’s ending wars with countries that have long been at war with us. Thirdly, when Venezuela is pumping endless drugs into our country, and when Iran finds international terrorism financed by their oil revenue and is developing nukes, should we sit back and take it or be proactive?
Mash,.... Do You consider all of these Events as "Signs of the Times"?

And,.... Do You Honor Trump, or any "Political Leader/Party" above the Messiah?

This Topic is "
Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?", of which, Trump's, and those who've come before him, many, many. "Knee-jerk", "Baseless & Unjustified" acts, have physically contributed towards Ancient Prophecies, becoming our hard, & cold reality.

Which in turn, In My Belief,..... Should be a major "Cause" towards those who proclaim "Lord!", being absolutely certain, whether they will be in heaven, when the "Kaka hits th' Fan", or, here on Earth.
 
I like the way you included the reconciliation of the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" cited in Hosea and Isaiah in your comments. This truth is rejected by most of Christianity as being racist.
Wood, I had to include it, for It is The Truth.

And that is one of the reasons why I started this topic, for The Messiah, The Prophets, & The Patriarchs, never taught about a "Pre/Mid Trib. Rapture"
 
Peter was the chief Apostle and head of the Church after Jesus Resurrection. In 1Peter chapters 3 and 4 he answered the other Apostles as the Prophet of God. Our spirits live. So, your definition of what a soul is has to change. Body and spirit together makes our souls. That union sleeps until the resurrection.
If that's the case then what do you do with the souls Jesus encountered for 3 days and 3 nights?
What happened to the beggar after he died?
Did they dig Moses up for the transfiguration?
Who are the headless souls under God's alter calling for justice?
Why was Paul convinced that absent from the body is present with the Lord?
 
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If that's the case then what do you do with the souls Jesus encountered for 3 days and 3 nights?
What happened to the beggar after he died?
Did they dig Moses up for the transfiguration?
Who are the headless souls under God's alter calling for justice?
Why was Paul convinced that absent from the body is present with the Lord?
Peter cleared up your questions. You’ve been enlightened.
 
What did Peter say about Jesus' time in Abraham's Bosom? Christ brought those souls back with Him, and they walked out of the tombs in their own, now glorified bodies, and stayed for 40 days here on earth, then left with Christ when He ascended to Heaven. He did not dig them out up.
The soul and the body are separate. The body decays, the soul is eternal...
 
What did Peter say about Jesus' time in Abraham's Bosom? Christ brought those souls back with Him, and they walked out of the tombs in their own, now glorified bodies, and stayed for 40 days here on earth, then left with Christ when He ascended to Heaven. He did not dig them out up.
The soul and the body are separate. The body decays, the soul is eternal...
The spirit and the body are separate. When people died, their earthly bodies were buried in the earth. Their spirits went to spirit prison as Peter was clear in 1Peter chapters 3 and 4. Don’t know how more clear the Bible can be. If you want to say the soul and the spirit are the same thing, fine. But God breathed life into the man and Adam became a living soul. “Breathed” refers then to placing spirit in the body becoming alive. My opinion is the living soul is therefore the combination of our physical bodies and our eternal spirits.
 
"There is no devil original sin or fall of man."

You do the same Hafar, .... Prove that Via The Scriptures.

And Sir, since this is My Topic, Quantril is Free to Speak,
whereas You are becoming a "Real Pain".
:disbelief: We are introduced to Satan as far back as Genesis. And the original sin. Did Satan tempt Jesus in the desert? He offered Jesus everything because he owned everything...
 

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