Zone1 Where does atheist morality come from?

[Paradoxical#1]

I asked why you asked the question, because we are not talking about me and my opinions, but rather what led to actions taken in Biblical times. Be honest. You asked the question as an attack when all I'm interested in is a discussion.

Then you double down and open the above post asking me another attack question.

Are you interested in discussing the issues happening in Biblical times, or are you just looking for someone to slap around?

I am not interested in a discussion when someone asserts the bible is god inspired and then admits that it was written only for those tribes in that day and time when there is no evidence of any inspiration whatsoever. i will not be drawn into your game.

 

[Meriweather]

What is amazing to me (NOT) is that your Catholic church has become more secular in the last century meaning that instead of humans adopting Catholicism (the church is waning), Catholicism has adopted the morals of the day and time. Go figure how that works, eh? Humans decide that homosexuals are that way because they were born that way and Catholics say "Yeah, you're right. Let's ignore that little bible verse when god said they were an abomination and deserve death and embrace LGTBQ now and pretend that the verse meant something else....in HEBREW of course and for 2000 years Catholics didn't know.

Would you care to give an example? Have you read what interests young Catholics?

 

[Meriweather]

I am not interested in a discussion when someone asserts the bible is god inspired and then admits that it was written only for those tribes in that day and time when there is no evidence of any inspiration whatsoever. i will not be drawn into your game.

Except, that's not my "game". As you see, neither am I about to be drawn into your game. I am interested in the story of mankind and God in its midst.

It seems you are expect God to come roaring into the midst like a hurricane, erupting like a volcano, and flattening any situation that does not please...who, exactly? You?

Remember where Elijah found God...in the tiny whispering sound.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Would you care to give an example? Have you read what interests young Catholics?

Why would I need to read what interests young Catholics when I lived it?

An example? A pope who embraces LGTBQ when for centuries they believed they were an abomination and deserve death. Now that humans are more accepting lo and behold the pope is.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Except, that's not my "game". As you see, neither am I about to be drawn into your game. I am interested in the story of mankind and God in its midst.

It seems you are expect God to come roaring into the midst like a hurricane, erupting like a volcano, and flattening any situation that does not please...who, exactly? You?

Remember where Elijah found God...in the tiny whispering sound.

I am not a believer in what you believe including “whispers”.

 

[Meriweather]

Why would I need to read what interests young Catholics when I lived it?

An example? A pope who embraces LGTBQ when for centuries they believed they were an abomination and deserve death. Now that humans are more accepting lo and behold the pope is.

One's own experience says it all.

Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge," which is not exactly embracing LGTBQ. The left seemed to take it that way, but perhaps read what he said about the subject in its entirety.

 

[Meriweather]

I am not a believer in what you believe including “whispers”.

But then, you haven't experienced what I have, which is not a problem. The problem is that you have no wish to experience it, but choice is choice.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

One's own experience says it all.

Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge," which is not exactly embracing LGTBQ. The left seemed to take it that way, but perhaps read what he said about the subject in its entirety.

Go figure "Who am I to judge," is EXACTLY what nonbelievers in the bible have said and why your church finally said this after 1600 years.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

But then, you haven't experienced what I have, which is not a problem. The problem is that you have no wish to experience it, but choice is choice.

Your mind gave you an "experience". Other religions over the eons have said the same thing about Ra, Mithra, Thor, Allah, and Brahman.

 

[Meriweather]

Go figure "Who am I to judge," is EXACTLY what nonbelievers in the bible have said and why your church finally said this after 1600 years.

I know it's true, but I find it difficult to believe you ever attended Catholic school. But beyond that, it was my grandmother who taught me the Church's stance regarding homosexuality. My grandmother, who went to a Catholic nursing school almost a hundred years ago. Even then it was noted in her (admittedly small) hometown, it is well to keep in mind, "Who am I to judge." It's unbelievable (to me) that it was Pope Francis who first called this well known verse to your own mind.

 

[Meriweather]

Your mind gave you an "experience". Other religions over the eons have said the same thing about Ra, Mithra, Thor, Allah, and Brahman.

Grin. You have decided you are the expert on me--that you think you know me better than I know myself. That's quite a high opinion you have of yourself....And, quite a low one you have of me and others.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I know it's true, but I find it difficult to believe you ever attended Catholic school. But beyond that, it was my grandmother who taught me the Church's stance regarding homosexuality. My grandmother, who went to a Catholic nursing school almost a hundred years ago. Even then it was noted in her (admittedly small) hometown, it is well to keep in mind, "Who am I to judge." It's unbelievable (to me) that it was Pope Francis who first called this well known verse to your own mind.

Read your Bible. Tell me what it says about homosexuals.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Grin. You have decided you are the expert on me--that you think you know me better than I know myself. That's quite a high opinion you have of yourself....And, quite a low one you have of me and others.

Show me that any experience you had came from any god.

 

[Meriweather]

Read your Bible. Tell me what it says about homosexuals.

Not a lot.

 

[Meriweather]

Show me that any experience you had came from any god.

Seek and you shall find.

 

[Failzero]

Anticolonialist Marxism

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Not a lot.

I'm sure you have the OT verse when Jesus, who is also God (before the 3 split) talked about something like abomination? You would know better than I.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Seek and you shall find.

I did and found out it is all bullshit, made up by fearful people. Now what?

 

[The Duke]

How can an atheist claim to have morals, other than by stealing morals from other sources such as the Bible, or the law of the state or nation in which they live?

For that matter, there is no way to know what every individual's morals are or where they come from, so how do we know that an atheist has morals to begin with just because they say they do?

The ultimate standard which is God because there is no other scale to base it on, so there ya go.
Yeah, let them try to deny that one there and laugh.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The ultimate standard which is God because there is no other scale to base it on, so there ya go.
Yeah, let them try to deny that one there and laugh.

God was really moral when he made up rules about beating slaves and if they didn't die, you were cool? He was super moral when he offed the entire human race. Even more moral when he created the devil.

Are you folks suggesting that humans need some invisible imaginary god to not kill or steal? Did you know that most people in jail are Christians?