Zone1 Are Religions Moral???

[ding]

So all societies have the same moral codes?

Standards aren't popularity contests. Logic isn't self serving. Humans are. Right now Israel believes they are behaving morally.

Codes which never change?

Sure. Some times they are raised and sometimes they are lowered but that is the human element, not the logic element. The Challenger is a perfect example.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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The village existed peacefully for 2,000 years alongside these supposedly dangerous hateful Palestinians

It didn’t survive 75 years of Zionist

Where did you hide the pictures of Oct 7?


There is no brutality against Christians.


I walked the stations of the Cross in Jerusalem, and you support anti-Semitism.



Go figure.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is this guy moral?

After Hokit won his round during Sunday night’s UFC Freedom 250 event, which took place on the White House South Lawn, he gave an interview from the ring, where he shouted out his “lord and savior Jesus Christ,” praised President Donald Trump for hosting the event, and then declared, “Michelle Obama is a man. Am I right, America?”

The word moral refers to principles of right and wrong in behavior. It describes actions that align with standards of goodness, fairness, and honesty

Even Dana White was not happy with this Christian's comments

“I understand that the Obama’s are public figures but I’m completely against saying nasty and false things about people’s families,” White told Time magazine in a text message. “Everyone knows my position on free speech but I hate that kind of nonsense.”

In February, Trump shared a racist video that depicted former President Barack Obama and Michelle Obama as apes, and eventually deleted it.

Our two gifts are intelligence and free will.


People can use the former to rationalize any satanic view......hence the Democrat Party.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Absolutely not! However, if you consider religion as the inventor of what we call “moral” then who are we to say whether it is or it isn’t? Perhaps each one is unto itself. I mean, if (for example) beheading a non-believer is a moral obligation for a devout Moslem ....... ​

When human beings decide that they can make their own determination of what is good, it is possible that they make the correct decision. For themselves. But that has never worked out correctly for entire societies, or nations, and it may be that the power of rulers to make such decisions for all their people becomes corrupted by the very power necessary to do that.

Lord Acton hit the nail on the head when he said "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men...",



While the gifts that mankind was granted were free will, and intelligence, sadly they often combine to become the ability to rationalize and come up with a conclusion that just happens to be what that individual wanted in the first place.

If we take the good and bad at the extremes, I'll call James Madison as my first witness. He wrote the following in Federalist #51: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary... A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.” So, the checks and balances are needed because folks are not....'good.' At least, not angels.



In Genesis, no sooner do Adam and Eve eat the fruit that allows them to make their own judgment of good and evil….than death follows: Cain and Abel.

Left-wing positions are nearly all based on identifying one’s wishes with what is good and just, followed as predicted in Genesis.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Where did you hide the pictures of Oct 7?


There is no brutality against Christians.


I walked the stations of the Cross in Jerusalem, and you support anti-Semitism.



Go figure.

So 10/7 gives Israel permission to wipe Gaza, the West Bank, Syria and Southern Lebanon back to the Stone Age?

There is a large movement in Israel to have a non-Bibi lead investigation into 10/7, especially when Bibi secretly funding of Hamas was disclosed

 

[sealybobo]

Our two gifts are intelligence and free will.


People can use the former to rationalize any satanic view......hence the Democrat Party.

My how far Christian’s have fallen huh? Or will you at least admit he’s a terrible representative of your faith?

I find him to be the perfect example of the typical white hypocritical Christian slash Republican. Racist, ignorant, mean, and throw in Jesus for good measure. I’m so glad he did it piggy

 

[alang1216]

Standards aren't popularity contests. Logic isn't self serving. Humans are. Right now Israel believes they are behaving morally.

Actually, the moral compass of a society is exactly a popularity contest. It is what that society deems moral. Israel believes they are behaving morally, the US believes we are behaving morally, Hamas believes they are behaving morally, Hezbollah believes they are behaving morally, Iran believes they are behaving morally. See a pattern here?

Sure. Some times they are raised and sometimes they are lowered but that is the human element, not the logic element. The Challenger is a perfect example.

Not sure how the Challenger factors in? Was there a moral failing in NASA?

 

[alang1216]

Western Civilization is based on the morality in the Bible.

Which morality is that? The Bible contains many moral lessons to choose from.

 

[GLASNOST]

When human beings decide that they can make their own determination of what is good, it is possible that they make the correct decision. For themselves. But that has never worked out correctly for entire societies, or nations, and it may be that the power of rulers to make such decisions for all their people becomes corrupted by the very power necessary to do that.

Lord Acton hit the nail on the head when he said "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men...",



While the gifts that mankind was granted were free will, and intelligence, sadly they often combine to become the ability to rationalize and come up with a conclusion that just happens to be what that individual wanted in the first place.

If we take the good and bad at the extremes, I'll call James Madison as my first witness. He wrote the following in Federalist #51: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary... A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.” So, the checks and balances are needed because folks are not....'good.' At least, not angels.



In Genesis, no sooner do Adam and Eve eat the fruit that allows them to make their own judgment of good and evil….than death follows: Cain and Abel.

Left-wing positions are nearly all based on identifying one’s wishes with what is good and just, followed as predicted in Genesis.

I don't think you read my response carefully.

 

[PoliticalChic]

My how far Christian’s have fallen huh? Or will you at least admit he’s a terrible representative of your faith?

I find him to be the perfect example of the typical white hypocritical Christian slash Republican. Racist, ignorant, mean, and throw in Jesus for good measure. I’m so glad he did it piggy

1.“32,000 people were killed over a relatively short period of time,” Trump told reporters, saying, “I feel very badly for the people of Iran.”
Estimates from doctors based outside Iran range the death toll up to 33,000 or more, according to The Guardian."
Trump Says 32,000 Dead In Iran Protests—Here’s How Estimates Have Differed
Yet Democrats root for the 7th century fanatics and hope that Trump fails.

2. While Trump has used this human life loss as reason to upend the Iranian Mullahs, Democerats Obama and Biden were the greatests supporters and investors in Iran and its nuclear program.


3. Consistent with that Democrat view, and the very opposite of Western Civilization, when I have asked a number of Democrat posters their view on the sanctity of human life, every one has run and hid.


4. AI Overview
Since the 1973
Roe v. Wade decision, over 63 million legal abortions have occurred in the United States. While annual numbers peaked around 1990, recent estimates show over 1 million abortions in 2024.
Both domestically and in foreign policy, the value of human life is the defining difference between the Left (Democrats) and the Right.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Which morality is that? The Bible contains many moral lessons to choose from.

"morality" must stick in your throat.............


I hope your name is Herman so it rhymes with what you are.



You posted a series of lies about me.....





"That is exactly NOT what you want.



You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118



If you can't produce any quotes of mine that support your statements, then you are what you always were, a lying sack of offal.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't think you read my response carefully.

No one "invented" morality.

God provided the guidance in the Bible.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why are you hiding the pictures of your side slaughering unarmed families?

My side? Had to bite my tongue there

Who killed more real Jews on 10/7, Bibi funded Hamas or IDF per the Hannibal Directive. All roads lead to Bibi

 

[PoliticalChic]

My side? Had to bite my tongue there

Who killed more real Jews on 10/7, Bibi funded Hamas or IDF per the Hannibal Directive. All roads lead to Bibi

Your side: the 7th century savages and terrorists.


Why are there 2 million Muslims living peacefully in Israel.............and over 3 million more in the West Bank?


Only your side slaughtering unarmed civilians and hiding behind Palestinian civilians and starving babies.P



Please take off that green headband, Abu.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Calm down.

Do you have a passport?

You can use it.

Zone 1 thread. Better posting is required.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your side: the 7th century savages and terrorists.


Why are there 2 million Muslims living peacefully in Israel.............and over 3 million more in the West Bank?


Only your side slaughtering unarmed civilians and hiding behind Palestinian civilians and starving babies.P



Please take off that green headband, Abu.

My side? That can only mean you’re posting from Political Flatlands. I will take your diminished, limited views into account

 

[GLASNOST]

No one "invented" morality.

Really?

God provided the guidance in the Bible.

Who invented the bible?

 

[alang1216]

"morality" must stick in your throat.............


I hope your name is Herman so it rhymes with what you are.



You posted a series of lies about me.....





"That is exactly NOT what you want.



You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118



If you can't produce any quotes of mine that support your statements, then you are what you always were, a lying sack of offal.

Typical MAGA drone, you prefer refighting old battles to facing the current challenges.

Note, I never claimed you said these things, only that you want them. Obviously, I was correct as you have never denied any of them. Insults and deflections are you only weapons. I thought AI bots were getting more sophisicated.

 

[ding]

Actually, the moral compass of a society is exactly a popularity contest. It is what that society deems moral. Israel believes they are behaving morally, the US believes we are behaving morally, Hamas believes they are behaving morally, Hezbollah believes they are behaving morally, Iran believes they are behaving morally. See a pattern here?

That doesn't make them right anymore than NASA was right for launching the Challenger after lowering their standards.

Not sure how the Challenger factors in? Was there a moral failing in NASA?

Of course you don't understand it because you don't understand normalization of deviance.

 

[sealybobo]

1.“32,000 people were killed over a relatively short period of time,” Trump told reporters, saying, “I feel very badly for the people of Iran.”
Estimates from doctors based outside Iran range the death toll up to 33,000 or more, according to The Guardian."
Trump Says 32,000 Dead In Iran Protests—Here’s How Estimates Have Differed
Yet Democrats root for the 7th century fanatics and hope that Trump fails.

2. While Trump has used this human life loss as reason to upend the Iranian Mullahs, Democerats Obama and Biden were the greatests supporters and investors in Iran and its nuclear program.


3. Consistent with that Democrat view, and the very opposite of Western Civilization, when I have asked a number of Democrat posters their view on the sanctity of human life, every one has run and hid.


4. AI Overview
Since the 1973
Roe v. Wade decision, over 63 million legal abortions have occurred in the United States. While annual numbers peaked around 1990, recent estimates show over 1 million abortions in 2024.
Both domestically and in foreign policy, the value of human life is the defining difference between the Left (Democrats) and the Right.

We aren't rooting for him to fail. Like he did with Obama, we aren't going to like his deal. What didn't you like about Obama's deal again? Trump's will be no different. Unless he can somehow force them into being his friends. Like he did the Saudis. Maybe Trump as the head of the Globalists will take over Iran. I'm all for it. I want them to stop being our enemies. And like the Prince of Saudi Arabia, I don't care how Iran keeps their people in line. Do you? Honestly care about human rights violations in Saudi Arabia? Especially how they treat piggys like you over there.