Zone1 Are Religions Moral???

[alang1216]

That doesn't make them right anymore than NASA was right for launching the Challenger after lowering their standards.

Of course you don't understand it because you don't understand normalization of deviance.

Firstly, "normalization of deviance" is essentially hindsight but what I don't understand is why I'd equate changes in morality to deviance and not to evolution. Some standards may be logical, morality is not.

 

[ding]

Firstly, "normalization of deviance" is essentially hindsight

It's literally taught to prevent future failures. So, no. And like all great discoveries are discovered in hindsight. So arguing "normalization of deviance" is essentially hindsight to dismiss the FACT that standards exist for logical reasons is moronic. I'm not saying you are a moron but you are making a moronic argument.

but what I don't understand is why I'd equate changes in morality to deviance and not to evolution.

So you think owning people wasn't always considered wrong by the people being owned? Really? That they somehow evolved to hey, this is f-cked up? I think the thing I find most amazing is an atheist arguing that standards don't exist for logical reasons. I mean isn't that their thing? That they are logical?

Some standards may be logical,

All standards exist for logical reasons.... and I so rarely make absolute statements. So it seems that you may be coming around to the fact that standards exist for logical reasons. Besides morality, have you given any thought to which standards are arbitrary and capricious?

...morality is not.

Your last line of defense. Unfortunately, it won't hold. Like all things (again with the absolute statements)... truth is discovered. You confuse discovering the truth for changing morals. Standards are independent of man. Standards exist unto themselves and exist for logical reasons. Standards are discovered. And when one lowers their standards they discover the reason the standard exists. That's normalization of deviance in a nutshell. Stop thinking illogically.

 

[sealybobo]

Every president you voted for said he would do what Trump has done.

You are no more than a slave to your masters.

You mean Trump is doing exactly what Obama did. Obama already did this. Trump tore up the agreement and basically we are right back to where we were before. IF Trump's deal holds.

Can you show me that every or any president I voted for said they would do what Trump has done????

 

[PoliticalChic]

You mean Trump is doing exactly what Obama did. Obama already did this. Trump tore up the agreement and basically we are right back to where we were before. IF Trump's deal holds.

Can you show me that every or any president I voted for said they would do what Trump has done????

Of course I can.

From Obama on, the promise was that Iran would never get a nuclear weapon.




Let's review what "imminent" means.


The danger was imminent.



Graham was asked about "imminent."


"But I'll say two weeks. Now, what makes it imminent? So let me tell you why Joe Kent doesn't know what he's talking about. So during the conversation about, will you take this once-in-a-lifetime deal to have all the peaceful nuclear power you want on very generous terms, they said no.

And during the course of the conversation, they made a fatal mistake. They told Kushner and Witkoff, oh, by the way, we have 460 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60 percent. Now, why would they say that? There is no commercial purpose for 60%. ."

. How do we know they've been cheating?
Because they said so, that comes in a minute. It's been pretty clear that IAEA, everybody has caught them having enrichment capability beyond what you need for commercial purposes. The most you need commercial purposes is 20% uranium. There is no commercial need for 60%. What does it take to make a weapon? 90. So 20 is the outside of commercial, 60 is threshold weapons, 90 is weapons. Now, the IAE, not me, has accused them.



Only Trump kept that promise.



So you admit that you serve your Democrat masters?

 

[alang1216]

And during the course of the conversation, they made a fatal mistake. They told Kushner and Witkoff, oh, by the way, we have 460 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60 percent. Now, why would they say that? There is no commercial purpose for 60%. ."

So Trump ended Obama's Iran nuclear treaty in 2018 and now, in 2026, they have 460 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60 percent.

Thanks Trump great job.

 

[TemplarKormac]

1. A recent poster said that all religions are the same. As the religions having moment are the Abrahamic three, let's restrict that title to these three. Are they, or any, moral?
"The word moral refers to principles of right and wrong in behavior. It describes actions that align with standards of goodness, fairness, and honesty, or it refers to the practical life lesson taught by a story." Google.
Where does each stand on the act of lying???


2.AI Overview
Yes, Judaism permits lying, employing ruses, and using strategic deception when dealing with enemies—particularly in the context of self-defense, warfare, or to save lives. [1, 2, 3]
The Sanctity of Life (Pikuach Nefesh): Protecting human life is the highest imperative in Jewish law (Halakha). Almost all prohibitions, including lying, are suspended if it is necessary to save a person from harm. [1, 2, 3]



3. AI Overview
Christianity does not universally authorize lying to enemies. Traditional Christian ethics often hold truth-telling as a strict moral absolute. However, there is ongoing theological debate, with many interpretations distinguishing between malicious deception and "righteous deception" used to protect life.



4. In the above we find a common denominator where lying is allowed: in support of human life.
If one were to value truth from the liberal media, Islam would be in the same category.



5. But Islam is in a very different category, which, in part, explains why that religion keeps nations in the 7th century.
'According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.”
Center for Security Policy (CSP), a Washington, D.C.-based think tank
Sharia demands death for any who try to leave Islam.

Honor Killings, Illicit Sex, and Islamic Law | Muslim Sexual ...​

Brandeis University
https://www.brandeis.edu › projects › fse › honor
"The so-called “honor killing” of women and girls in some Muslim nations is one horrifying manifestation of this global phenomenon."





Consider the above when you view the Israel Hamas Iran war.

As a Christian you know what my answer will be. No other faith is moral in the sight of God.

"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.”

-Isaiah 45:5