Zone1 Where does atheist morality come from?

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Have you ever once considered that if someone really wanted to make people believe something when they had zero evidence for it they would solemnly proclaim that "faith is a virtue"?

I'm sure that's how you do see it. That's not how I see it. It doesn't change my point though. My experience is that my faith has led to an incredibly rich and full life. Apparently YOUR faith did nothing for you.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

But you are making an argument you don't believe in. So I can only assume you believe the Jews did those things on their own, right? And then claimed God did it, right?

That's not a serious question, is it? "Oh, we didn't want to kill all of the Amalekites including even the animals. God told us to do that." and of course, it wasn't Moses saying to the Israelites to kill all the men, boys, and non-virgin women but to spare the virgin girls for themselves. That was "God".

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I'm sure that's how you do see it. That's not how I see it. It doesn't change my point though. My experience is that my faith has led to an incredibly rich and full life. Apparently YOUR faith did nothing for you.

I base what I think and do on evidence.

 

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That's not a serious question, is it? "Oh, we didn't want to kill all of the Amalekites including even the animals. God told us to do that." and of course, it wasn't Moses saying to the Israelites to kill all the men, boys, and non-virgin women but to spare the virgin girls for themselves. That was "God".

Yes, it is a serious question. If you believe that God does not exist then what's your explanation for those passages. If you are going to use those passages as your proof that God does not exist, then you are going to have to come up with an alternate explanation for those passages. So let's hear it. Walk me through it.

 

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I base what I think and do on evidence.

Really? What's your evidence that a creator does not exist?

 

[BreezeWood]

Native American tribes in another time believed stealing from, killing or kidnapping people including women and children of other tribes was the 'moral' thing to do. They believed making slaves of people was entirely moral as was torturing their captured enemies in the most horrible ways imaginable.

jeepers ...

well, now we know where the bible belt with their christian bible learned their unique morals and who they evolved from ... at least like foxfyre their accusations made to acquire their new homesteads.

 

[Foxfyre]

jeepers ...

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well, now we know where the bible belt with their christian bible learned their unique morals and who they evolved from ... at least like foxfyre their accusations made to acquire their new homesteads.

One those most devoid of intelligent and critical reasoning would equate my post with the KKK. Do have a pleasant day.

 

[Meriweather]

Ask a thousand Christians to describe their god concept and get a thousand different answers, all of them insisting it is the right one.

Think about the post I submitted on everything in the physical world being contingent on something else. I noted that when one got back to what isn't contingent on something else, that cannot be described by what it is, but must be described by what it is not. Your "thousand different answers" concedes this point.

 

[BreezeWood]

They believed making slaves of people was entirely moral as was torturing their captured enemies in the most horrible ways imaginable.

One those most devoid of intelligent and critical reasoning would equate my post with the KKK. Do have a pleasant day.

so claims who threw the first stone ... manufactured at best.

 

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so claims who threw the first stone ... manufactured at best.

The only one throwing stones here is you. It's literally the only thing you do here.

 

[JohnDB]

At its core....
Atheism derives it's morality from the community. IOW regardless of truth, their morality is subjective to the morality of those who make up the community they reside. (Whatever boundary lines they believe matter)

Atheists absolutely have had a mobile line of morality. It shifts constantly and consistently.

Meanwhile Biblical Morality has not shifted over 5000 to almost 6,000 years now. (Despite the claims otherwise....political leaders have co-opted Bible teachings to license any number of atrocities and military actions....doesn't make them biblical anymore than the snake in the garden really said the truth)

The huge remarkable difference is in the HOPE that believers have over and above Atheists. The Atheist is absolutely interested in hedonistic pleasures (however short lived) and in building possibly a legacy of possessions. Any value placed on relationships is only if they benefit the atheist in some fashion. Consequently, atheists are more interested in being perceived as moral than actually being a moral person. (Which is where the truth of beliefs is truly seen despite any claim of belief)

But Believers have an unshakable hope of an afterlife. Atheists do not.

 

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At its core....
Atheism derives it's morality from the community. IOW regardless of truth, their morality is subjective to the morality of those who make up the community they reside. (Whatever boundary lines they believe matter)

Atheists absolutely have had a mobile line of morality. It shifts constantly and consistently.

Meanwhile Biblical Morality has not shifted over 5000 to almost 6,000 years now. (Despite the claims otherwise....political leaders have co-opted Bible teachings to license any number of atrocities and military actions....doesn't make them biblical anymore than the snake in the garden really said the truth)

The huge remarkable difference is in the HOPE that believers have over and above Atheists. The Atheist is absolutely interested in hedonistic pleasures (however short lived) and in building possibly a legacy of possessions. Any value placed on relationships is only if they benefit the atheist in some fashion. Consequently, atheists are more interested in being perceived as moral than actually being a moral person. (Which is where the truth of beliefs is truly seen despite any claim of belief)

But Believers have an unshakable hope of an afterlife. Atheists do not.

Atheism is predicated on the belief that only the material exists. Therefore, atheism proceeds in almost all its manifestations on the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure and pain.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Yes, it is a serious question. If you believe that God does not exist then what's your explanation for those passages. If you are going to use those passages as your proof that God does not exist, then you are going to have to come up with an alternate explanation for those passages. So let's hear it. Walk me through it.

Sorry but this is YOUR Bible and not mine and those who believe the Bible verses believe in a monster god.

 

[Meriweather]

Sorry but this is YOUR Bible and not mine and those who believe the Bible verses believe in a monster god.

That's your belief, not the belief of people of faith.

I asked 'AI' how many bible verses portrayed God in a bad light. It admitted this is difficult to ascertain but estimated about 200. And here you get into debates whether kicking Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden was a bad thing, or was it justice. There are nearly 12,000 verses in the Bible, but only certain ones seem to bug you. I'll bet there are many others--if you didn't know they came from the Bible--you would be in agreement with one hundred percent.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Really? What's your evidence that a creator does not exist?

Those who claim Bible God have the duty to prove it. Faith is meaningless. If someone were to tell you they have faith in Thor and you had to disprove Thor existed or accept him and his followers would you do so since he has faith Thor is still real?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Think about the post I submitted on everything in the physical world being contingent on something else. I noted that when one got back to what isn't contingent on something else, that cannot be described by what it is, but must be described by what it is not. Your "thousand different answers" concedes this point.

Your premise is that everything is contingent on your personal god concept beliefs?

 

[Meriweather]

Your premise is that everything is contingent on your personal god concept beliefs?

Where did you come up with that! Try reading what I wrote. I wrote that everything in the physical world is contingent on the presence of at least one other thing.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Where did you come up with that! Try reading what I wrote. I wrote that everything in the physical world is contingent on the presence of at least one other thing.

And______________?

 

[Meriweather]

And______________?

Can you name one thing in the entire universe that is not contingent on something else? (It seems you need help: The scientific answer is no.)

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Can you name one thing in the entire universe that is not contingent on something else? (It seems you need help: The scientific answer is no.)

People in cemeteries.