Zone1 Where does atheist morality come from?

[rightwinger]

Thus, each individual, often Atheist citizen chooses their own morality. They are playing G-d, As are many agencies and sometimes even leaders,

Then isn’t each religion choosing their own morality?

Your religion is an accident of birth.
If you were born in the Middle East, you would be Muslim
If you were born in India, you would be Hindu

 

[ding]

Magic is the word

So to speak. I'm ok with you mocking what you don't understand. Says more about you than me. I have good reasons for my beliefs.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Then isn’t each religion choosing their own morality?

Your religion is an accident of birth.
If you were born in the Middle East, you would be Muslim
If you were born in India, you would be Hindu

What if you are born under the lessons of one religion but convert to another, officially or not?

Sometimes the logic of the brain mixed with the types of individuals one meets who represent that religion guide ones morality.

 

[rightwinger]

What if you are born under the lessons of one religion but convert to another, officially or not?

Sometimes the logic of the brain mixed with the types of individuals one meets who represent that religion guide ones morality.

Some people change religion
Most follow the religion of their parents

 

[MarathonMike]

Author Bible, so what? The Bible exists and the morality in it exists as well.

Was there no "morality" in the world prior to the writing of the Bible? How do you define "morality"?

 

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Was there no "morality" in the world prior to the writing of the Bible? How do you define "morality"?

Man innately knows right from wrong. But The Jews did raise the standard of conduct relative to that of their contemporaries. So was there morality prior to the writing of the bible? Most certainly. It wasn't always followed though. Without a doubt the ancient Jews raised the bar for following it.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Basic morality is obvious. Don't hurt other people. Don't steal. Try to help people if you can.

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The only rule:

If you don't want it done to you, don't do it to somebody else.


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[Paradoxical#1]

Man innately knows right from wrong. But The Jews did raise the standard of conduct relative to that of their contemporaries. So was there morality prior to the writing of the bible? Most certainly. It wasn't always followed though. Without a doubt the ancient Jews raised the bar for following it.

So ingenious to make 613 laws. Do you follow them?

BTW, you ARE under the law. Jesus said so.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Very good to point this out. Good or bad is something we are all born with, the Light of Christ or conscience. But, morals is something that we can receive by either the influence of the Holy Ghost or the Gift of the Holy Ghost if properly baptized by water. Atheists reject the Holy Ghost but not their conscience.

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I have always wondered -- I was baptized right next to my two brothers, one of whom was three years older than I and the other three years younger.

I have never had much a a problem developing my own morality, with a little experimentation and a lot of internal guidance, along with a 1960's midwest education, but my two brothers could not possibly be more different from me -- junkies, criminals, narcissists, users and abusers. I don't guess I'll ever know how that split happened and I can't talk to my brothers about it because they are both deceased.

Supposed it will become clear when I reach my judgment.

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[Cougarbear]

Was there no "morality" in the world prior to the writing of the Bible? How do you define "morality"?

You are completely missing the point. The Bible is a history of God's dealings with man from Adam to John. So, of course there was morality. We simply don't have all of God's dealings with mankind. Just the part the God wants us to have today. Along with other writings like the Stick of Joseph known as The Book of Mormon.

 

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So ingenious to make 613 laws. Do you follow them?

BTW, you ARE under the law. Jesus said so.

Maybe learn some context.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Maybe learn some context.

I have debated this with far more learned bibliolators than you. Are you the one who suggested that heaven and earth DID pass away or was that some other bible learner?

 

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I have debated this with far more learned bibliolators than you. Are you the one who suggested that heaven and earth DID pass away or was that some other bible learner?

That's nice.

No idea what you are talking about. Must have been someone else.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

How can an atheist claim to have morals, other than by stealing morals from other sources such as the Bible, or the law of the state or nation in which they live?

For that matter, there is no way to know what every individual's morals are or where they come from, so how do we know that an atheist has morals to begin with just because they say they do?

They have REMNANTS of the morality they carry over from the culture in which they grow up

 

[presonorek]

How can an atheist claim to have morals, other than by stealing morals from other sources such as the Bible, or the law of the state or nation in which they live?

For that matter, there is no way to know what every individual's morals are or where they come from, so how do we know that an atheist has morals to begin with just because they say they do?

Legal, ethical, and moral are related but different.

Morals are self-defined by the individual. Ethics are defined by a group or organization. An atheist has no ethics unless he is an accountant, lawyer, Christian, Muslim or what have ya. Everybody has morals though. Those are not necessarily shaped by law or by a code of ethics. I guess i am just arguing semantics. It does skew the discussion a bit though. Atheists don't have ethics but they do have morals even if they are bad ones.