You're illustrating my point for me. You don't see a thing. I get the same thing from the other side, of course. But since you ask:Again.... like what? (has the right done wrong)You and I disagree that we have had honest conversations.Not better at all. You didn't actually state YOUR opinion.I don't try to take the middle. I'm just honest and naturally curious to understand both ends of an issue. I think that anyone who doesn't is intellectually lazy and afraid to have their fragile belief system challenged. Those who can think for themselves can argue either end of an issue, because we are paying attention and not bending over for shallow, simplistic, dishonest, tribal talking points.Mac1958Like what?Both ends have housecleaning to do. Plenty of it.Blacks are not ready for reality. (Inner city blacks)Not enough. Not even close.That is happened now dozens of times. Dozens.I'm going to hold out hope for a tipping point, at which an important person from one of the tribes decides to hold their own tribe accountable. That begins the momentum that gets both tribes to honestly look in the mirror and clean their own house. Nothing improves until then.EVERYTHING WILL BE WORSE.
1) Worse race relations than before, that is a given. Despite the liberal media trying to say otherwise, the vast-vast majority of Americans are NOT behind the rioters/looters/vandals and murderers who have killed... I believe it is up to 8 blacks now.
One black man died, and the lunatics have killed 8 more showing their "outrage" of the one dying. $millions is property damage, everyone losing their freedoms due to curfews and shutdown businesses. No one is a fan of this.
2) Gun sales and ammo sales will increase (again)
3) The media will be on high alert just waiting on the next black to die by police - and then what? It all goes down again? Again? Again?
4) The political parties are now more divided than before. Who could have thought that was possible?
I wouldn't blame you if you think that's a long shot. But I think it's our best chance before our nutters bring this country down. So, for the sake of our kids, I'll keep hoping.
Good, honest NORMAL black folk have stood in front of the idiots protecting property and even police officers... you think that changed any minds?
Nope.
Someone like MLK came along...nobody would listen to him. They like people like Al Sharpton better. A greasy slimeball race slinger.
There is no way, no how anyone from the left is going to start telling the truth now.
The right? You know... I absolutely believe the VAST majority of conservatives are not racist, and do not support police brutality in the least. But all they here from the left is reparations... more free shit... no one, and I mean NO ONE talking about the extraordinary inner city culture that plagues the race...oh hell no.
Until they both get honest and admit it, nothing improves.
Sorry Mac, but the right has been talking about inner city black problems for decades. And they are called racist every time for doing it.
The problems are very simple. The solution, however is complicated as hell.
You are talking about a few million people who for the past 3 generations been told over and over and over they are blameless for their actions. Everything is whitey's fault. White privilege. The fact they get free education for the taking, complete with free housing/food/clothing and spending money to boot?? And they still fail over 90%??? Ohh...but you see...still not their fault. The white kid that didn't get the free shit..well...white privileged is why he graduated. Had nothing to do with the fact he never studied, partied every night and skipped class dozens of times...nooooo... it's white privilege. He has no choice but to turn to criminal behavior. Racism is why he will likely die by 25.
We have talked about the complete breakdown of the black family. Over 70% single parent. Over 70% have little to no relationship with their father. Bring that up...and you are RACIST!!!
The fact is Mac. We have talked the problems to death. Everyone who has an ounce of critical thinking already knows the problems. But most just won't go there. Racism/White privilege and Republicans is a much more profitable, feel good way to think. You know.... Black votes matter.
You should answer this post Mac.
You take the middle a lot, and that is ok. But you have to also clarify and prove your points.
I gave you an answer, and you ignored it.
For the thousandth time: We won't have an "honest conversation on race" in this country unless and until both ends honestly hold their own accountable for their actions.
The Left has to face the fact that generations of the coddling of minorities has resulted in the under-achievement of minorities. When you constantly spin for, deny, attack for and minimize a person's or group's worst behaviors, all you're doing is enabling more of those behaviors. And PC and Identity Politics have only served to pour gasoline on that fire.
The Right has to fact the fact that racism still does exist from the Right, and not to a small degree. And again, when you constantly spin for, deny, attack for and minimize a person's or group's worst behaviors, all you're doing is enabling more of those behaviors. I'm truly not sure which is worse: An old fashioned, ignorant, paranoid racist or someone who enables ALL racists.
That's not "the middle". That's just honesty about what I see. Is that better?
I am saying we have had 1,000's of "honest conversations" about race. many, many, many times. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. As soon as a white person gets honest - they are immediately attacked and called racist and white privilege. If a black person gets honest - they are labeled an uncle Tom and didn't grow up in the hood.
It is all bullshit. On the race issue - sorry Mac, on this one - the right is...right. The left is horribly wrong. All they care - Black Votes Matter.
You can't get a left person to honestly talk about racism. Impossible. They won't go there, waaaaaay too much fear of not going along with the plan.
That means that each side, the Right included, has to honestly admit its failures, bad elements, and contributions to the problem.
I can't get most of the Trumpsters here to even admit that racism still exists on the Right. That is beyond dishonest, and closer to a pathology. And they SURE AS HELL aren't going to say anything to hold their own accountable.
I don't know how that can be denied. So I don't detect an honest conversation here.
Like refusing to constantly raise the bar on how much money to keep throwing at them?
or complaining about constantly lowering the bar on education requirements etc. for them?
Like... refusing to acknowledge that white privilege is the reason why I am where I am?
Like bringing up inner city black culture and the complete breakdown of the family structure is the core of the problem?
Specifically what is it you are referring to?
A person can't defend or discuss a blanket "you are wrong" argument.
- Admit that old fashioned, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, ignorant, paranoid white racism still exists.
- Admit that the Right has ignored and/or downplayed that fact for generations, contributing to the problem.
- Commit publicly and clearly that you will do everything you can to eradicate it from the right.
- Follow through and hold your side accountable whenever it demonstrates that racism still exists.
- Maybe start here on good ol' USMB. Then keep improving until you can call out your President for downplaying the problem.
- Feel free to show the other side of this issue of your honesty and progress, and challenge them to hold their OWN side accountable.