When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[iamwhatiseem]

Interesting fodder for thought: If you're female, are you the egg?

No idea what that is about

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Cool post, and I agree with the basic premise, but I beg to differ on whether any of us were ever "sperm cells."

I feel tempted to explain why, but hopefully, it isn't necessary for me to do that.

No need to explain why.
A healthy male ejects between 200 - 300 million sperm. All sperm is, is a delivery system for the specific genetic material that is 100% unique to the species of the male that created it.
Sperm is not a living thing. It is a delivery machine with just enough information in the nucleus to spin the tail and just go.
After penetrating the female egg, almost instantaneously, that sperm cell is fertilized and immediately begins to transform into - well you. At that instant - you will become you. Nothing else but you. A human being.
Life has begun.

 

[schmidlap]

I understand that is your want and or your opinion, but that is not a realistic perspective from a biological or even from a legal viewpoint.

You might consider court cases that involve children with anencephalia. If you really care about the facts on what you are claiming.

You appear to be trying to concoct pretexts to rationalize politicians and bureaucrats who share your bias controlling wombs.

I share the perspective of most Americans.

Sixty-four percent of Americans support legal abortion in most cases. And over half the adults in states with the strictest abortion bans are in that category. Half of respondents in the poll say abortion should be accessible in their state when a person doesn’t want to continue their pregnancy for any reason.​

 

[22lcidw]

You appear to be trying to concoct pretexts to rationalize politicians and bureaucrats who share your bias controlling wombs.

I share the perspective of most Americans.

Sixty-four percent of Americans support legal abortion in most cases. And over half the adults in states with the strictest abortion bans are in that category. Half of respondents in the poll say abortion should be accessible in their state when a person doesn’t want to continue their pregnancy for any reason.​

We are supposed to be intelligent. Therefore, proper methods to prevent pregnancies are available and should be used with that logic. It is you who spews humans have evolved and that Progressives are intellectually superior to all. Yet most of the abortions are from Progressives.

 

[j-mac]

Lack of contraception.

Unconscionable: US plan to destroy $9.7 million of contraceptives

MSF condemns the decision to destroy these critical medical supplies, which will have devastating consequences for the communities where we work.

www.doctorswithoutborders.org

Abortion is not contraception.

 

[Woodznutz]

Isn't the real question, who owns whatever it is that is growing in a woman's uterus?

 

[alang1216]

Humans have the most complex consciousness of any species we know of.

Not true of embryos.

Lives are taken only in specific circumstances, not simply "whenever one wants to".

Taking life in warfare doesn't mean a person has a license to simply murder who ever they want. The law is very specific as to the circumstances under which human life can be taken, and when it can't.

Isn't that true of abortion?

Who's "we"? While it's natural to be somewhat more concerned about those near to oneself, such as how most people would likely prioritize feeding their family over a stranger, the reality is that there are many people who make an effort to eliminate ills such as hunger in foreign lands.

So your assumption is that everyone is "equal" in their regard for the suffering of others in foreign lands is false. I'll admit that there are people more concerned than I am, though. Some people devote their entire lives to ending the suffering of others. I can't say I'm capable of doing that.

The GOP and Trump recently cut both foreign and domestic programs that help people in need and they received applause from many Americans.

 

[alang1216]

It all boils down to the fact that every human being has (should have) a right to their life. However, that does not place an onus or responsibility onto care givers to keep that person (patient) alive.

Unless they are the mother of course.

 

[schmidlap]

We are supposed to be intelligent. Therefore, proper methods to prevent pregnancies are available and should be used with that logic. It is you who spews humans have evolved and that Progressives are intellectually superior to all. Yet most of the abortions are from Progressives.

It sounds as if you want to dictate both morality and abortion policy to everyone via statist control.

Do you believe that humans have not evolved? Weird, but how does that relate to the topic?

I have seen no surveys that show that "most of the abortions are from Progressives," but your making such a claim only exposes your ideological agenda.

The United States is not about to adopt the policy of Nicaragua where all abortions are outlawed by its regime.

 

[schmidlap]

Statists continually push for government to seize control of wombs whenever pregnancies occur.

Apparently, they resort to such coercive devices because they are incapable of persuading most Americans to kowtow to their demands.

Most Americans Support Legal Abortion​

 

[j-mac]

Isn't the real question, who owns whatever it is that is growing in a woman's uterus?

Well, that's the argument, or at least part of the argument, that pro abortions crowd makes...However, totally separate and unique DNA is formed at conception...So, what they are really talking about is ownership of a unique human being...I thought they were against that.

 

[Hafar1014]

I'm not convinced that it is a human life from the moment of conception (given that it doesn't have a brain, for example), but at some point during pregnancy, I believe it qualifies as a human life.

If people are merely arguing that it is a "potential life" from the moment of conception, then preventing a potential life from coming into existence obviously isn't the same as taking a life from existence. (If that was true, then if a person only has 2 children when they have the ability to have 5 means they should be charged with 3 counts of murder, and we know that is absurd).

Its human and alive so its a human life. The question is what is a person with rights. Thats going to be somewhat arbitrary. Some abortions are correct and moral some are not. IN my mind the solution is to allow abortions for the first trimester then list specific circumstances beyond that

 

[Hafar1014]

Heartbeat. If a heart stopping means death, a heart beginning to beat signifies life. For any species.

Thats no loger true. Its human and alive so its a human life. The question is what is a person with rights.

 

[Woodznutz]

Well, that's the argument, or at least part of the argument, that pro abortions crowd makes...However, totally separate and unique DNA is formed at conception...So, what they are really talking about is ownership of a unique human being...I thought they were against that.

Not so unique if the baby looks like its parents. Chip off the old block. The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree. Like father/mother like son/daughter.

 

[Hafar1014]

A single cell doing its functions is the definition of life. If that cell is human then it's human life.

But does it have human consciousness? I'm not so sure.

Its human and alive so its a human life. The question is what is a person with rights. Consciousness isnt a definition of life its a value of individuality and awareness of the self. Newborn wont have that ability until 6 months after birth. We call that individuation. UNtil then a baby lives as part of the mothers mind as one person

 

[Woodznutz]

Statists continually push for government to seize control of wombs whenever pregnancies occur.

Apparently, they resort to such coercive devices because they are incapable of persuading most Americans to kowtow to their demands.

Most Americans Support Legal Abortion​

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True. Let private groups squabble over the issue. Leave the government out of it. I'm against abortion, but at the end of the day it's none of my business.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Isn't the real question, who owns whatever it is that is growing in a woman's uterus?

No, but since you ask it - all individuals are endowed with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
No one "owns" another human life.

 

[j-mac]

Not so unique if the baby looks like its parents. Chip off the old block. The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree. Like father/mother like son/daughter.

No, no…it’s a scientific fact that the baby in the womb is unique DNA from the mother and father. While some traits, and characteristics may be the same, overall the baby in the womb is a unique individual.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, but since you ask it - all individuals are endowed with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
No one "owns" another human life.

Parents own their children until they of "age". After that the government owns them.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I wonder if most Americans claim they are defenders of basic human rights and equal justice, children's rights, etc.

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Like the ghouls who believe they are defending children's rights by trying to convince them that they were born in the wrong body, gender-wise, and trying to teach them how to perform homosexual acts.

Mostly the same ghouls who call abortion "health care".


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