When Fascism seems normal we are in Serious Trouble

[K9Buck]

Nationalism is a requirement for Fascism but not fascist in itself. A strong national identity is good only as long as the state serves the people rather than vice-versa.

On that we agree. Although I just discredited Wikipedia, I do AGREE with this Wikipedia definition of nationalism.


Nationalism - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nationalism

Nationalism is an idea and movement that promotes the interests of a particular nation (as in a group of people), especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

.... Hate is an ugly thing when you blame someone else for your own problems.

Do you apply that standard to everyone, regardless of political orientation?

No, not everyone. Just the fringes. And right now, the Fringes are duking it out.

 

[Votto]

President Trump REDUCED government regulations. President Trump REDUCED government taxation. That is NOT something that a fascist president would do. A fascist wants TOTAL government control and HIGH taxation. Trump supports the OPPOSITE. Trump has been called a "fascist" by ignorant leftists when, in fact, he is arguably the biggest free-market capitalist to ever be POTUS>

He wants to centralize HIS power and use the support of the Corporates to gain and hold that power. Hence the reduction of taxes on the Corporates. He established 12 points of the 14 points of the Fascist doctrine. And he tried to establish #13 and 14 and failed. Luckily, we have two ruling documents that finally stopped him, the Constitution of the United States (SCOTUS) and the Uniform Code of Military Justice (The Joint Chiefs of Staff).

It could have just as easily been a strongman coming from the left that could have brought in the Socialist doctrine just as easily. But it would have ended up with the same results due to those two documents.

Corporations are a tool of those in government.

They are government creations, are they not?

Currently, corporations are being used to centralize power world wide.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Hate is an ugly thing when you blame someone else for your own problems.

Do you apply that standard to everyone, regardless of political orientation?

No, not everyone. ......

Then it's meaningless.

 

[Votto]

Nothing works on Mac. He never deviates from being a partisan shill.

Sure, okay.

It'll be interesting to see how you Trumpsters react (if at all) when I'm criticizing the Biden administration, just as I did the Obama administration. Back when the Regressive Lefties were calling me a racist for daring to say negative things about Obama.

I know this will be difficult for you to believe, but not everyone is like you. Thankfully.

Be critical of Biden? For being so wonderful?

Mwhahahaha!!

So what is stopping you now or even stopping you for the last half year?

Was it to just get rid of orange man?

Mwhahahaha!!

 

[K9Buck]

Fascism/Nazism/Darwinism are right wing ideologies

Totally false.

The right supports limited government, limited government regulations, limited taxation, and SUPPORTS free-market capitalism.

Much of the American left supports all-powerful government, endless government regulations, high taxes, and OPPOSES free-market capitalism.

Fascism is a leftist cousin of similar leftist ideologies such as communism and socialism.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You really need to read a book instead of just eating the covers off the book. Here is some reading. But please, read it and don't eat your monitor or phone.

Instead of becoming angry and insulting, you should be grateful and thank me for showing you the truth.

First off, Wikipedia is an AWFUL source for anything politically related.

As for "privatization", I already advised you earlier in this thread that Hitler did NOT "nationalize" industry, as Stalin did. There was no need to do so as Hitler simply coerced and blackmailed German industry into doing his will.

Hitler did use industry. But in 1933, Industry used Hitler. They both benefited and grew stronger and richer and more powerful. That is how Fascism works.

 

[sparky]

fascism or not?
~S~

 

[zaangalewa]

CrusaderFrank

Your automatism "disagree" shows, that you use also a closed system of thoughts - like Hollywood fantasized about imperator Nero, the Christian slaughterer, with the "thumbs up, thumbs down!"-idea. Such a form "to think" - better to say "not to think" - is dangerous.

 

[K9Buck]

He wants to centralize HIS power and use the support of the Corporates to gain and hold that power. Hence the reduction of taxes on the Corporates.

Wrong again. Trump reduced government regulations that were strangling private industry AND reduced taxes in order to help them to GROW their businesses in order that they could hire more Americans and pay higher wages.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Fascism/Nazism/Darwinism are right wing ideologies

Totally false.

The right supports limited government, limited government regulations, limited taxation, and SUPPORTS free-market capitalism.

Much of the American left supports all-powerful government, endless government regulations, high taxes, and OPPOSES free-market capitalism.

Fascism is a leftist cousin of similar leftist ideologies such as communism and socialism.

I already gave you the links. Educate yourself. At least do a search yourself. You will see that you are way off base. Your Handlers aren't being honest with you on this one.

 

[K9Buck]

He established 12 points of the 14 points of the Fascist doctrine.

Was FDR a "fascist"?

 

[Mac1958]

Nothing works on Mac. He never deviates from being a partisan shill.

Sure, okay.

It'll be interesting to see how you Trumpsters react (if at all) when I'm criticizing the Biden administration, just as I did the Obama administration. Back when the Regressive Lefties were calling me a racist for daring to say negative things about Obama.

I know this will be difficult for you to believe, but not everyone is like you. Thankfully.

Be critical of Biden? For being so wonderful?

Mwhahahaha!!

So what is stopping you now or even stopping you for the last half year?

Was it to just get rid of orange man?

Mwhahahaha!!

Yes, that was certainly the top priority, although I called Biden a terrible candidate several times.

Several examples here: Search results for query: biden candidate

See, I'm just not like you. I choose to think for myself.

 

[Votto]

You really need to read a book instead of just eating the covers off the book. Here is some reading. But please, read it and don't eat your monitor or phone.

Instead of becoming angry and insulting, you should be grateful and thank me for showing you the truth.

First off, Wikipedia is an AWFUL source for anything politically related.

As for "privatization", I already advised you earlier in this thread that Hitler did NOT "nationalize" industry, as Stalin did. There was no need to do so as Hitler simply coerced and blackmailed German industry into doing his will.

Hitler did use industry. But in 1933, Industry used Hitler. They both benefited and grew stronger and richer and more powerful. That is how Fascism works.

Hitler understood that idiot bureaucrats could not run industry effectively. It would be akin to lawyers trying to run a hospital or doctors trying to run a law firm. It is merely common sense really. That is why the Nazi model of socialism was superior to that of Stalin. For you see, Stalin thought he was better apt to run it all because he was an idiot. It is akin to the fact that Stalin had all of his generals murdered right before Hitler invaded because he feared a coup. Stalin was just retarded is all.

But as Hitler once said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" All that really matters was government control over industry, which he had. Hitler was by no means bright himself, he just was not as retarded as Stalin.

 

[K9Buck]

Educate yourself. At least do a search yourself. You will see that you are way off base. Your Handlers aren't being honest with you on this one.

More insults, zero substance. Your belief that fascism is "right-wing" is erroneous.

 

[occupied]

Nationalism is a requirement for Fascism but not fascist in itself. A strong national identity is good only as long as the state serves the people rather than vice-versa.

On that we agree. Although I just discredited Wikipedia, I do AGREE with this Wikipedia definition of nationalism.


Nationalism - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nationalism

Nationalism is an idea and movement that promotes the interests of a particular nation (as in a group of people), especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland.

Nationalism means whatever the government says it means. It can be the justification for great works or atrocity. It is mostly a means of control with no inherent good or evil. Leaders who speak the language of nationalism without making it clear they are public servants are never to be trusted.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

President Trump REDUCED government regulations. President Trump REDUCED government taxation. That is NOT something that a fascist president would do. A fascist wants TOTAL government control and HIGH taxation. Trump supports the OPPOSITE. Trump has been called a "fascist" by ignorant leftists when, in fact, he is arguably the biggest free-market capitalist to ever be POTUS>

He wants to centralize HIS power and use the support of the Corporates to gain and hold that power. Hence the reduction of taxes on the Corporates. He established 12 points of the 14 points of the Fascist doctrine. And he tried to establish #13 and 14 and failed. Luckily, we have two ruling documents that finally stopped him, the Constitution of the United States (SCOTUS) and the Uniform Code of Military Justice (The Joint Chiefs of Staff).

It could have just as easily been a strongman coming from the left that could have brought in the Socialist doctrine just as easily. But it would have ended up with the same results due to those two documents.

Corporations are a tool of those in government.

They are government creations, are they not?

Currently, corporations are being used to centralize power world wide.

Corporations are NOT creations of the Government. Although they are required to register with the Government for Tax Status. If they didn't, their taxes would be many times higher. And too much Government Control can stifle a Corporation to death. It's a balancing act.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Educate yourself. At least do a search yourself. You will see that you are way off base. Your Handlers aren't being honest with you on this one.

More insults, zero substance. Your belief that fascism is "right-wing" is erroneous.

Research it then. I gave substance. Educate yourself.

 

[Votto]

Nationalism is a requirement for Fascism but not fascist in itself. A strong national identity is good only as long as the state serves the people rather than vice-versa.

On that we agree. Although I just discredited Wikipedia, I do AGREE with this Wikipedia definition of nationalism.


Nationalism - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nationalism

Nationalism is an idea and movement that promotes the interests of a particular nation (as in a group of people), especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland.

Nationalism means whatever the government says it means. It can be the justification for great works or atrocity. It is mostly a means of control with no inherent good or evil. Leaders who speak the language of nationalism without making it clear they are public servants are never to be trusted.

I suppose it depends what you mean by nationalism. I mean, if you run as President and swear to represent the voters above foreign interests, is that nationalism or just doing your job? Why is it necessary to condemn Trump for saying he wants to do this?

But if nationalism means taking power away from the states and increasing federal power, that is what leads to fascism.

Is any of this reaching your brain cells yet?

 

[K9Buck]

fascism or not?
~S~

Forcing a citizen to receive a vaccination renders them a "subject" rather than a "citizen" and such a practice would be consistent in a fascist, communist, or otherwise totalitarian society.