When Fascism seems normal we are in Serious Trouble

[Votto]

The first and most ardent supporters of fascism are religious people.

I disagree. Historically, the most totalitarian and murderous nations in world history were/are led by atheists. Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, the North Korean trifecta, etc., etc., etc. China today is the biggest example of a fascist regime led by an atheist, President Xi Jinping. As a youth, Benito Mussolini declared himself an atheist and made fun of believers. Sound familiar?

But occupied has drunk the cool aid and believes everything the DNC and CNN tells him, mind you he is not "religious"

Mwhahahaha!!

 

[K9Buck]

You do not see a distinction between nationalism and patriotism, most right wingers are incapable of separating the two. That's why you would welcome fascism with open arms.

Our nation's founders were nationalists. Are you implying that, anyone that's a nationalist, is a "fascist"?

Abraham Lincoln is, arguably, the biggest nationalist in American history. Do you believe that his nationalism rendered him a "fascist"?

 

[Votto]

Communism is the greatest threat to our nation. Especially now that the Harris-Biden administration is ready to capitulate to China and it's allies Iran and North Korea.

You guys really need to get a grip. You don't have much to offer when you're this emotional and unhinged.

Why then did your Left wing nut jobs keep saying that it was like 1938 again when Trump was elected?

Where was your mocking them partisan shill boy?

 

[Votto]

You do not see a distinction between nationalism and patriotism, most right wingers are incapable of separating the two. That's why you would welcome fascism with open arms.

Our nation's founders were nationalists. Are you implying that, anyone that's a nationalist, is a "fascist"?

Abraham Lincoln is, arguably, the biggest nationalist in American history. Do you believe that his nationalism rendered him a "fascist"?

Fascism is not possible without a strong centralized government. But once you have one whoever has power becomes the fascist.

 

[K9Buck]

That's why you would welcome fascism with open arms.

Totally wrong.

I believe in limited government power and limited government involvement in our nation's economy. I support free-market capitalism, wherein a seller and a buyer can engage in business FREE of government interference. Free-market capitalism is the antithesis of fascism, communism, and socialism.

I OPPOSE the concept of the federal government managing our nation's education system. Again, that is OPPOSITE of how it works in a fascist, communist, or socialist society. By the way, it is the American left that SUPPORTS the federal government managing the nation's education system.

I OPPOSE the concept of the federal government managing our nation's healthcare. Again, in a fascist, communist, or socialist society, the government manages the nation's healthcare, a concept that the American left SUPPORTS.

As I said, many American leftists SUPPORT fascism, as long it's not called fascism.

 

[occupied]

Name some examples of counties that have been free democracies and subsequently fell to into communism.

You mean aside from the three Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and Albania?

They were taken over by Russia and were for the most part failed monarchies. They were never what could be called free countries.

 

[Votto]

You do not see a distinction between nationalism and patriotism, most right wingers are incapable of separating the two. That's why you would welcome fascism with open arms.

Our nation's founders were nationalists. Are you implying that, anyone that's a nationalist, is a "fascist"?

Abraham Lincoln is, arguably, the biggest nationalist in American history. Do you believe that his nationalism rendered him a "fascist"?

The funny part is, the Left championed nationalism at one time in order to centralize power to the Federal government. Then once that was accomplished they turned on the notion, because they want a strong centralized world government. Collectivsts are always fighting for a process to centralize power, which makes them so dangerous. It is dangerous because power brings corruption so the more power the more corrupt.

They are 100% in denial of this fact. Leftism is more of a miscalculation of human nature than anything. They really believe centralized planners to be "good"..............unless they are orange.

 

[K9Buck]

President Trump REDUCED government regulations. President Trump REDUCED government taxation. That is NOT something that a fascist president would do. A fascist wants TOTAL government control and HIGH taxation. Trump supports the OPPOSITE. Trump has been called a "fascist" by ignorant leftists when, in fact, he is arguably the biggest free-market capitalist to ever be POTUS>

 

[Daryl Hunt]

From 1933 to 1944, that is exactly what German had. A Free Corporate Society.

Wrong. After Hitler took power, NOBODY stood in his way and stayed around thereafter. Anyone who tried to oppose him were sent to concentration camps or executed.

Anyone that made business in Germany while Hitler was in power only earned revenue because they did exactly what the Nazis told them to do. An individual that didn't want to do their bidding either had to resign or they were sent to a concentration camp or executed.

Again, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is fascism. In your mind, a fascist state permits corporations to be free to do anything they like. You even stated that fascist leaders take their orders from corporations. Neither of those beliefs is remotely engrained in reality.

You really need to read a book instead of just eating the covers off the book.

Here is some reading. But please, read it and don't eat your monitor or phone.

Economics of fascism

Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany

There are a lot more out there if you care to do your own search. But please read them instead of eating the medium that they are displayed on. Plastic not only tastes terrible it's not healthy and generally requires getting your stomach pumped.

 

[Mac1958]

Communism is the greatest threat to our nation. Especially now that the Harris-Biden administration is ready to capitulate to China and it's allies Iran and North Korea.

You guys really need to get a grip. You don't have much to offer when you're this emotional and unhinged.

Why then did your Left wing nut jobs keep saying that it was like 1938 again when Trump was elected?

Where was your mocking them partisan shill boy?

Deflection doesn't work on me. If you want to discuss that, you can open a thread and tag me.

Meanwhile, you guys continue to operate on paranoia, simplistic assumptions and misinformation.

 

[K9Buck]

...for the most part failed monarchies. They were never what could be called free countries.

That's probably true, although I have not researched it.

 

[Votto]

Communism is the greatest threat to our nation. Especially now that the Harris-Biden administration is ready to capitulate to China and it's allies Iran and North Korea.

You guys really need to get a grip. You don't have much to offer when you're this emotional and unhinged.

Why then did your Left wing nut jobs keep saying that it was like 1938 again when Trump was elected?

Where was your mocking them partisan shill boy?

Deflection doesn't work on me. If you want to discuss that, you can open a thread and tag me.

Meanwhile, you guys continue to operate on paranoia, simplistic assumptions and misinformation.

Nothing works on Mac. He never deviates from being a partisan shill.

It takes great will power ya know.

Orange man is gone dumb, dumb.

Get a life

 

[occupied]

You do not see a distinction between nationalism and patriotism, most right wingers are incapable of separating the two. That's why you would welcome fascism with open arms.

Our nation's founders were nationalists. Are you implying that, anyone that's a nationalist, is a "fascist"?

Abraham Lincoln is, arguably, the biggest nationalist in American history. Do you believe that his nationalism rendered him a "fascist"?

Nationalism is a requirement for Fascism but not fascist in itself. A strong national identity is good only as long as the state serves the people rather than vice-versa.

 

[K9Buck]

You really need to read a book instead of just eating the covers off the book. Here is some reading. But please, read it and don't eat your monitor or phone.

Instead of becoming angry and insulting, you should be grateful and thank me for showing you the truth.

First off, Wikipedia is an AWFUL source for anything politically related.

As for "privatization", I already advised you earlier in this thread that Hitler did NOT "nationalize" industry, as Stalin did. There was no need to do so as Hitler simply coerced and blackmailed German industry into doing his will.

 

[Mac1958]

Nothing works on Mac. He never deviates from being a partisan shill.

Sure, okay.

It'll be interesting to see how you Trumpsters react (if at all) when I'm criticizing the Biden administration, just as I did the Obama administration. Back when the Regressive Lefties were calling me a racist for daring to say negative things about Obama.

I know this will be difficult for you to believe, but not everyone is like you. Thankfully.

 

[zaangalewa]

You left out the biggest tenets of fascism such as total government control over every facet of the nation as well as the rejection of free-market capitalism.

Much of the American left supports fascism, as long as it's not called fascism.

Perhaps your definition of fascism is that anyone you dislike is a fascist. That's how it works for 99% of leftists. I presume you're one of the 99%.

Wrong.

Fascist regimes have always supported free-market capitalism; indeed, free-market capitalism and private business owners have flourished under fascist governments and have been the most ardent supporters of fascist regimes.

Fascism manifests on the right side of the political spectrum, it shares the same fundamental authoritarianism typical of American conservatives who seek to compel conformity and punish dissent, to increase the size and power of government at the expense of individual liberty.

Fascism is left-wing gubbamint Uber Alles

Socialism/Communism is a left wing ideology (a kind of social super-utopia). Fascism/Nazism/Darwinism are right wing ideologies (biological, racist, elitarian systems). A well Nazis and Commies in Germany were atheistic movements and closed systems of thoughts. In one point the systems "Hitler" (nazism) and "Stalin" (communism) were the same: Hitler was right and Stalin was right - everyone else was wrong. To argue against Hitler under Hitler or against Stalin under Stalin was life-threatening. Hitler adn Staiond were the roight adn left Jawbine of the devil, Whiel evraeon tzooke care not to be kiele dfvonr he top-dwon adn dewon-top ,meovnerenst - they "ate" the people in a directio they did not expect to be eaten: left <-> right.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Hate is an ugly thing when you blame someone else for your own problems.

Do you apply that standard to everyone, regardless of political orientation?

 

[DBA]

Meanwhile, you guys continue to operate on paranoia, simplistic assumptions and misinformation.

And here comes the highbrown, we are just smarter than you, responses, ironically from the party that supports the LEAST successful folks in the country. No I know why I would shy away from hiring anyone that tends to show a Democratic lean. Inevitably, their lack of insight, bigotry and their pompous nature will come to light on the job.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

President Trump REDUCED government regulations. President Trump REDUCED government taxation. That is NOT something that a fascist president would do. A fascist wants TOTAL government control and HIGH taxation. Trump supports the OPPOSITE. Trump has been called a "fascist" by ignorant leftists when, in fact, he is arguably the biggest free-market capitalist to ever be POTUS>

He wants to centralize HIS power and use the support of the Corporates to gain and hold that power. Hence the reduction of taxes on the Corporates. He established 12 points of the 14 points of the Fascist doctrine. And he tried to establish #13 and 14 and failed. Luckily, we have two ruling documents that finally stopped him, the Constitution of the United States (SCOTUS) and the Uniform Code of Military Justice (The Joint Chiefs of Staff).

It could have just as easily been a strongman coming from the left that could have brought in the Socialist doctrine just as easily. But it would have ended up with the same results due to those two documents.

 

[Votto]

You do not see a distinction between nationalism and patriotism, most right wingers are incapable of separating the two. That's why you would welcome fascism with open arms.

Our nation's founders were nationalists. Are you implying that, anyone that's a nationalist, is a "fascist"?

Abraham Lincoln is, arguably, the biggest nationalist in American history. Do you believe that his nationalism rendered him a "fascist"?

Nationalism is a requirement for Fascism but not fascist in itself. A strong national identity is good only as long as the state serves the people rather than vice-versa.

What you mean is, a strong centralized national government is what is needed.

Agreed.

This is why Presidents Wilson and FDR and the rest of the Progressives centralized power giving it all to the Federal government to try and fight collectivists in Europe, through such actions as passing the Federal Income tax to the Constitution that was declared unconstitutional years prior, and creating their own bank to spend past what they could collect via the income tax.

The disturbing question becomes, how does one survive in a world of collectivist who do nothing but just centralize power and create world conquering armies? Becoming like them I think is not the answer.