When Fascism seems normal we are in Serious Trouble

[Mac1958]

Communism is the greatest threat to our nation. Especially now that the Harris-Biden administration is ready to capitulate to China and it's allies Iran and North Korea.

You guys really need to get a grip. You don't have much to offer when you're this emotional and unhinged.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Hitler was a rightwinger. His arch nemesis was Communism. Thank you for displaying one of the points that I gave and that is blaming someone else for your own problems.

Communism was another leftist ideology competing against Hitler's leftist National Socialist Party. German communists were NOT nationalists and looked to the Soviet Union's Joseph Stalin for leadership. Hiter was an ULTRA-nationalist and also opposed the concept of the government taking ownership of all industry, unlike the Soviets. But Hitler and Stalin were both in agreement on opposition to free-market capitalism and the government running every facet of the nation. Sound familiar?

Fascism is Right Wing and caters to Corporations, not the individual. It gets it's power directly from the support of the Corporate leaders. Hitler NEVER Nationalized any Corporation until 1944 when German finally went to War Production Footing. Until then, for war materials, the Corporations competed against each other and the Government would pick a winner. The German Industry was just that good. Hitler put the word Socialist in the name because it sounded good. You can call a pig a Rose but it's still a pig.

 

[K9Buck]

I have been in a Fascist Country, have you?

Irrelevant.

 

[occupied]

The first and most ardent supporters of fascism are religious people.

I disagree. Historically, the most totalitarian and murderous nations in world history were/are led by atheists. Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, the North Korean trifecta, etc., etc., etc. China today is the biggest example of a fascist regime led by an atheist, President Xi Jinping. As a youth, Benito Mussolini declared himself an atheist and made fun of believers. Sound familiar?

I was addressing the instances where a free country fell into authoritarianism. Hitler used religion shamelessly and endlessly while he was gathering power always implying that he was the chosen one to make Germany great again.

 

[K9Buck]

Here is a good summary of what is fascism, written by another and it very well describes the modern, American, left:


Fascism has become a term of general derision and rebuke. It is tossed casually in the direction of anything a critic happens to dislike.

But fascism is a real political and economic concept, not a stick with which to beat opponents arbitrarily. The abuse of this important word undermines its true value as a term referring to a very real phenomenon, and one whose spirit lives on even now.

Fascism is a specific ideology based on the idea that the state is the ideal organization for realizing a society's and an individual's potential economically, socially, and even spiritually.

The state, for the fascist, is the instrument by which the people's common destiny is realized, and in which the potential for greatness is to be found. Individual rights, and the individual himself, are strictly subordinate to the state's great and glorious goals for the nation.

 

[DBA]

The first and most ardent supporters of fascism are religious people. They are already primed for it because they have willingly structured their mind to accept things without question from their leaders. I have often wondered why this fact is often ignored by those taking a look at how free countries fall to authoritarianism.

Not true at all. Religion is the first thing to go in a Communist society. People are supposed to worship the government. They are to be dependent on the government and lean on them for everything, not God. Democrats in this country are by far the most dependent on and trustworthy of government.

 

[Bush92]

Communism is the greatest threat to our nation. Especially now that the Harris-Biden administration is ready to capitulate to China and it's allies Iran and North Korea.

You guys really need to get a grip. You don't have much to offer when you're this emotional and unhinged.

I'm a realist. What was unhinged or emotional about my post? It's the truth.

 

[K9Buck]

Fascism is Right Wing and caters to Corporations...

Really? Which corporations in Nazi Germany gave Hitler his orders?

Which corporations in modern China are telling President Jinping what to do?

 

[K9Buck]

Hitler used religion shamelessly...

Until recently, NO political candidate in a largely Christian nation EVER ran as anything other than a Christian. Even atheist Barack Obama ran as a "Christian".

 

[Mac1958]

Communism is the greatest threat to our nation. Especially now that the Harris-Biden administration is ready to capitulate to China and it's allies Iran and North Korea.

You guys really need to get a grip. You don't have much to offer when you're this emotional and unhinged.

I'm a realist. What was unhinged or emotional about my post? It's the truth.

Okay, okay.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Fascist regimes have always supported free-market capitalism;

Incorrect. Fascist regimes such as Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Jinping's China (today) ALL dictate to private industry. And only those who did the bidding of the state were permitted to own various industries.

For instance, a few years ago the FBI wanted Apple to help to unlock an iPhone. Apple rejected the FBI's request. That doesn't happen under fascism. Can you imagine Huawei telling the Chinese State Police that they wouldn't help or a German company telling the Gestapo to get lost? LOL. Yea, neither can I.

There is no such as free-market capitalism in a fascist society as all industry is subservient to the state.

From 1933 to 1944, that is exactly what German had. A Free Corporate Society. Jumo bid against BMW and so on and the Government would pick the winner. The German Corporations were just that damned good. Due to losing so poorly, Hitler had no choice but to put Germany on War Emergency Footing just like the US and Britain had been for 2 years for the US and 4 years for Britain.

 

[occupied]

The first and most ardent supporters of fascism are religious people. They are already primed for it because they have willingly structured their mind to accept things without question from their leaders. I have often wondered why this fact is often ignored by those taking a look at how free countries fall to authoritarianism.

Not true at all. Religion is the first thing to go in a Communist society. People are supposed to worship the government. They are to be dependent on the government and lean on them for everything, not God. Democrats in this country are by far the most dependent on and trustworthy of government.

Name some examples of counties that have been free democracies and subsequently fell into communism.

 

[K9Buck]

always implying that he was the chosen one to make Germany great again...

Every politician running for election has made the same promises: "If you elect me, I'll give you X,Y,Z, etc.".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You left out the biggest tenets of fascism such as total government control over every facet of the nation as well as the rejection of free-market capitalism.

Much of the American left supports fascism, as long as it's not called fascism.

Perhaps your definition of fascism is that anyone you dislike is a fascist. That's how it works for 99% of leftists. I presume you're one of the 99%.

Wrong.

Fascist regimes have always supported free-market capitalism; indeed, free-market capitalism and private business owners have flourished under fascist governments and have been the most ardent supporters of fascist regimes.

Fascism manifests on the right side of the political spectrum, it shares the same fundamental authoritarianism typical of American conservatives who seek to compel conformity and punish dissent, to increase the size and power of government at the expense of individual liberty.

Fascism is left-wing gubbamint Uber Alles

 

[K9Buck]

From 1933 to 1944, that is exactly what German had. A Free Corporate Society.

Wrong. After Hitler took power, NOBODY stood in his way and stayed around thereafter. Anyone who tried to oppose him were sent to concentration camps or executed.

Anyone that made business in Germany while Hitler was in power only earned revenue because they did exactly what the Nazis told them to do. An individual that didn't want to do their bidding either had to resign or they were sent to a concentration camp or executed.

Again, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is fascism. In your mind, a fascist state permits corporations to be free to do anything they like. You even stated that fascist leaders take their orders from corporations. Neither of those beliefs is remotely engrained in reality.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Fascism is Right Wing and caters to Corporations...

Really? Which corporations in Nazi Germany gave Hitler his orders?

Which corporations in modern China are telling President Jinping what to do?

Hitler needed the Corporations to finance his rise to power just like Mussolini and Franco did. Stalin just nationalized the Corporations and made them state run. Until 1944, when Hitler was forced to, the major Corporations were not controlled by the Nazi Government. They competed with each other even for military equipment.

 

[occupied]

always implying that he was the chosen one to make Germany great again...

Every politician running for election has made the same promises: "If you elect me, I'll give you X,Y,Z, etc.".

You do not see a distinction between nationalism and patriotism, most right wingers are incapable of separating the two. That's why you would welcome fascism with open arms.

 

[K9Buck]

Name some examples of counties that have been free democracies and subsequently fell to into communism.

You mean aside from the three Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and Albania?

 

[K9Buck]

Until 1944, when Hitler was forced to, the major Corporations were not controlled by the Nazi Government.

Wow. Completely false, Daryl.

Once the Nazis took total power in the 1930's, any business that wanted to remain in business had to yield to the demands of the Nazi Party. Any business that didn't want to play ball, so to speak, went out of existence.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Fascist regimes have always supported free-market capitalism;

Incorrect. Fascist regimes such as Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Jinping's China (today) ALL dictate to private industry. And only those who did the bidding of the state were permitted to own various industries.

For instance, a few years ago the FBI wanted Apple to help to unlock an iPhone. Apple rejected the FBI's request. That doesn't happen under fascism. Can you imagine Huawei telling the Chinese State Police that they wouldn't help or a German company telling the Gestapo to get lost? LOL. Yea, neither can I.

There is no such as free-market capitalism in a fascist society as all industry is subservient to the state.

From 1933 to 1944, that is exactly what German had. A Free Corporate Society. Jumo bid against BMW and so on and the Government would pick the winner. The German Corporations were just that damned good. Due to losing so poorly, Hitler had no choice but to put Germany on War Emergency Footing just like the US and Britain had been for 2 years for the US and 4 years for Britain.

Wait. Is this before or after "the Parties switched sides"? That could explain why you believe government controls = free markets