When Fascism seems normal we are in Serious Trouble

[occupied]

Fascism is in part nationalism elevated to a quasi-religious level.

True, but communists could be described as being equally as zealous as fascists as evidenced by their over-the-top worship of government leaders, large military parades, and so forth.

Communism shares many qualities with Fascism because they are authoritarian in practice.

 

[K9Buck]

The two best government models is the Federal Republic and the Democratic Socialist.

Ridiculous assessment.

My recommendation to anyone here that wants to learn the truth is to put this poster on "ignore". He is wrong on just about every statement that he makes.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

He established 12 points of the 14 points of the Fascist doctrine.

Was FDR a "fascist"?

FDR did what he had to do to keep the country together. He was faced with over 3 million out of work, armed Veterans that had hungry, cold families living on the roads. I doubt if one single person in the Washington Government including FDR wanted to take those measures. But they had to do something drastic really fast right or wrong. Otherwise, forget out about the United States of America or the Constitution of the United States, it would all have gone up in smoke.

 

[K9Buck]

A nationalist thinks the own country is then only good country...

That's not accurate. Mahatma Gandhi was a "nationalist". Did he believe that India was the "only good country"?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The two best government models is the Federal Republic and the Democratic Socialist.

Ridiculous assessment.

My recommendation to anyone here that wants to learn the truth is to put this poster on "ignore". He is wrong on just about every statement that he makes.

Let me take you advice and put YOU on ignore. It's time to clean up the gene pool. Have a nice day.

 

[K9Buck]

He established 12 points of the 14 points of the Fascist doctrine.

Was FDR a "fascist"?

FDR did what he had to do to keep the country together. He was faced with over 3 million out of work, armed Veterans that had hungry, cold families living on the roads. I doubt if one single person in the Washington Government including FDR wanted to take those measures. But they had to do something drastic really fast right or wrong. Otherwise, forget out about the United States of America or the Constitution of the United States, it would all have gone up in smoke.

You didn't answer my question. Was FDR a fascist?

 

[westwall]

That title isn't mine. It is from a PBS Tour Guide by the name of Rick Steves. He did a tour of Germany, Italy, Spain and others as pertaining to the runup and fall of WWII and Fascism. There were things in there that reminded me of the last 20 years of the United States. Fascism has been building for quite some time here. And we have the same conditions that led up to Fascism for Italy and Germany and to some degree, Spain. Here are just some of the conditions.

Hate between one large group on another. It may be religion, race, doctrine or almost anything else. It may be real or imagined. But to one or the other group, they believe it's real.

One group believes that another is getting a better shake than they are. Again, it may be real or imagined.

Fear.

There is more to it than that but those two ferment into other things. What happens is, it sets things up for a strong leader to come along and capitalized on those fears and hates. Here are some of the methods used to capitalize on this.

1. Simple Solutions for complicated problems. The Masses won't understand complicated solutions so the strongman introduces simple solutions. The Simple solutions sound so good but will NEVER work in the long run.

2. Pick one or two groups of people and make the masses fear and hate them. In the early Fascist days, it was Communists and Jews. Communists (or those that were tagged as Communists even when they weren't) were killed outright. Jews were sometimes killed outright but normally taken outside of Germany, outside of the German Citizens Eyes, and terminated in camps. This doesn't happen over night. It's when the Strong Man is allowed to continue to win over and over until he is no longer under constraints of the law. It took Mussolini about 7 years to accomplish his rise to power and Hitler 8 years. It was done gradual. Franco did it much quicker because he had the full military might of both Germany and Italy behind him in Spain to crush even the Basques who were neither fascist nor Socialist unlike the ruling Spanish Socialist Government.

Some people are highly susceptible to Fascism for some odd reason and respond well to the Strong Man while others don't. For instance, Germans responded well to Hitler and almost to the very last days, the German People idolized Hitler. But the Italians turned on Mussolini early on in the war, not because they were losing but because the spell had worn off. Had the Italians continued to idolize Mussolini, the Italian front would have had a very different outcome.

On the other side of the coin, Communism (pseudo) should have died with Lenin. It had already failed. But a Strongman came along and basically did what Hitler and Mussolini did just earlier. If Communism (pseudo) and Fascism look very similar it's because both ends up morphing into a Dictatorship. And that is what all 3 ended up being. The only person to ever make Fascism to work was Franco and no one has ever made Communism (pseudo) ever work.

For the last 20 years or so, the US has had the same roots that started Fascism in Europe. The only difference is, we have two documents or laws that slows it down, the Constitution of the United States and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They don't stop. They just slow the process down.

The point here is, the Strongman can come from either side. The conditions are ripe in the US today. What can we do to prevent it?

1. Stop blaming someone else for our own problems

2. Stop with the hate and Fear.

3. Work Together as a Nation and a community.

4. Don't accept simple solutions to complicated problems

5. No one person will be able to cure all the problems. If someone EVER says, "Only I can" then ......

Remember this, Democracy must be worked on each and every day by everyone or it will be lost by everyone.

And yet you voted for the chinese communist party.

Hypocrite.

 

[K9Buck]

Let me take you advice and put YOU on ignore. It's time to clean up the gene pool. Have a nice day.

Yea, run from the truth and hide under your bed.

 

[K9Buck]

Communism shares many qualities with Fascism because they are authoritarian in practice.

That's true.

 

[K9Buck]

Clumsy deflection noted.

Nah. I'm over the target. The reality is that you don't have a problem with crime and corruption in government, as long as the one engaging in the crime and corruption is a Democrat.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Nationalism is a requirement for Fascism but not fascist in itself. A strong national identity is good only as long as the state serves the people rather than vice-versa.

On that we agree. Although I just discredited Wikipedia, I do AGREE with this Wikipedia definition of nationalism.


Nationalism - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nationalism

Nationalism is an idea and movement that promotes the interests of a particular nation (as in a group of people), especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland.

Nationalism means whatever the government says it means. It can be the justification for great works or atrocity. It is mostly a means of control with no inherent good or evil. Leaders who speak the language of nationalism without making it clear they are public servants are never to be trusted.

I suppose it depends what you mean by nationalism. I mean, if you run as President and swear to represent the voters above foreign interests, is that nationalism or just doing your job? Why is it necessary to condemn Trump for saying he wants to do this?

But if nationalism means taking power away from the states and increasing federal power, that is what leads to fascism.

Is any of this reaching your brain cells yet?

I think we just lived through that very example you gave but we still have those two governing documents that kept it from happening.

 

[Mac1958]

Clumsy deflection noted.

Nah. I'm over the target. The reality is that you don't have a problem with crime and corruption in government, as long as the one engaging in the crime and corruption is a Democrat.

That's the reality in YOUR reality, sure. Your simple, shallow, paranoid, ignorant, binary world.

 

[K9Buck]

For the reader, you should know that FDR and many other prominent, American leftists were big admirers of the original fascist (well, the first fascist to achieve significant power) Benito Mussolini.

That admiration changed after Mussolini invaded Ethiopia. Otherwise, FDR and many prominent American leftists admired the practice of fascism.

Hitler was the one that gave fascism a REALLY bad name. Thereafter, leftist ideologues and academics needed to distance themselves from their previous support of the ideology. Therefore, they redefined what it was to be a "fascist" in order to call it a "far-right" ideology.

The truth, however, is that there is NOTHING "right-wing" about fascism. On the contrary, the modern, American, left is FAR closer to supporting fascism than does the American right.

 

[K9Buck]

That's the reality in YOUR reality, sure. Your simple, shallow, paranoid, ignorant, binary world.

Nah. I'm exactly right. You live in a narrative, where your ideological masters are always right. If the U.S. ever becomes a totalitarian state, and we're getting close, it will become so due to foolish people like you.

 

[Mac1958]

That's the reality in YOUR reality, sure. Your simple, shallow, paranoid, ignorant, binary world.

Nah. I'm exactly right. You live in a narrative, where your ideological masters are always right. If the U.S. ever becomes a totalitarian state, and we're getting close, it will become so due to foolish people like you.

The paranoia to which I referred.

You guys make this too damn easy for me.

 

[K9Buck]

I have to step out now. You're welcome.

 

[j-mac]

That title isn't mine. It is from a PBS Tour Guide by the name of Rick Steves. He did a tour of Germany, Italy, Spain and others as pertaining to the runup and fall of WWII and Fascism. There were things in there that reminded me of the last 20 years of the United States. Fascism has been building for quite some time here. And we have the same conditions that led up to Fascism for Italy and Germany and to some degree, Spain. Here are just some of the conditions.

Hate between one large group on another. It may be religion, race, doctrine or almost anything else. It may be real or imagined. But to one or the other group, they believe it's real.

One group believes that another is getting a better shake than they are. Again, it may be real or imagined.

Fear.

There is more to it than that but those two ferment into other things. What happens is, it sets things up for a strong leader to come along and capitalized on those fears and hates. Here are some of the methods used to capitalize on this.

1. Simple Solutions for complicated problems. The Masses won't understand complicated solutions so the strongman introduces simple solutions. The Simple solutions sound so good but will NEVER work in the long run.

2. Pick one or two groups of people and make the masses fear and hate them. In the early Fascist days, it was Communists and Jews. Communists (or those that were tagged as Communists even when they weren't) were killed outright. Jews were sometimes killed outright but normally taken outside of Germany, outside of the German Citizens Eyes, and terminated in camps. This doesn't happen over night. It's when the Strong Man is allowed to continue to win over and over until he is no longer under constraints of the law. It took Mussolini about 7 years to accomplish his rise to power and Hitler 8 years. It was done gradual. Franco did it much quicker because he had the full military might of both Germany and Italy behind him in Spain to crush even the Basques who were neither fascist nor Socialist unlike the ruling Spanish Socialist Government.

Some people are highly susceptible to Fascism for some odd reason and respond well to the Strong Man while others don't. For instance, Germans responded well to Hitler and almost to the very last days, the German People idolized Hitler. But the Italians turned on Mussolini early on in the war, not because they were losing but because the spell had worn off. Had the Italians continued to idolize Mussolini, the Italian front would have had a very different outcome.

On the other side of the coin, Communism (pseudo) should have died with Lenin. It had already failed. But a Strongman came along and basically did what Hitler and Mussolini did just earlier. If Communism (pseudo) and Fascism look very similar it's because both ends up morphing into a Dictatorship. And that is what all 3 ended up being. The only person to ever make Fascism to work was Franco and no one has ever made Communism (pseudo) ever work.

For the last 20 years or so, the US has had the same roots that started Fascism in Europe. The only difference is, we have two documents or laws that slows it down, the Constitution of the United States and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They don't stop. They just slow the process down.

The point here is, the Strongman can come from either side. The conditions are ripe in the US today. What can we do to prevent it?

1. Stop blaming someone else for our own problems

2. Stop with the hate and Fear.

3. Work Together as a Nation and a community.

4. Don't accept simple solutions to complicated problems

5. No one person will be able to cure all the problems. If someone EVER says, "Only I can" then ......

Remember this, Democracy must be worked on each and every day by everyone or it will be lost by everyone.

You libs have got some nerve...

For four years you people have

sowed division

hounded a sitting President with contrived nonsense

and now seemingly stolen an election.

and you want harmony?

You continue to divide your fellow American

call for their imprisonment

Attack people in the streets for not submitting

and have a “re education“ campaign aided by the MSM underway....

Social media is censoring speech, and silencing people for disagreeing with your narratives.

Get a mirror Daryl, YOU are the fascist.

 

[j-mac]

Thank you for making my point. Hate is an ugly thing when you blame someone else for your own problems.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of fascism and "right-wing" and "left-wing".

I have been in a Fascist Country, have you? Not something I would suggest normally. But in your case, I think it would do you the world of good. But having a major Fascist Government left in the World would not do the World any favors.

So, why do libs like you enable it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That title isn't mine. It is from a PBS Tour Guide by the name of Rick Steves. He did a tour of Germany, Italy, Spain and others as pertaining to the runup and fall of WWII and Fascism. There were things in there that reminded me of the last 20 years of the United States. Fascism has been building for quite some time here. And we have the same conditions that led up to Fascism for Italy and Germany and to some degree, Spain. Here are just some of the conditions.

Hate between one large group on another. It may be religion, race, doctrine or almost anything else. It may be real or imagined. But to one or the other group, they believe it's real.

One group believes that another is getting a better shake than they are. Again, it may be real or imagined.

Fear.

There is more to it than that but those two ferment into other things. What happens is, it sets things up for a strong leader to come along and capitalized on those fears and hates. Here are some of the methods used to capitalize on this.

1. Simple Solutions for complicated problems. The Masses won't understand complicated solutions so the strongman introduces simple solutions. The Simple solutions sound so good but will NEVER work in the long run.

2. Pick one or two groups of people and make the masses fear and hate them. In the early Fascist days, it was Communists and Jews. Communists (or those that were tagged as Communists even when they weren't) were killed outright. Jews were sometimes killed outright but normally taken outside of Germany, outside of the German Citizens Eyes, and terminated in camps. This doesn't happen over night. It's when the Strong Man is allowed to continue to win over and over until he is no longer under constraints of the law. It took Mussolini about 7 years to accomplish his rise to power and Hitler 8 years. It was done gradual. Franco did it much quicker because he had the full military might of both Germany and Italy behind him in Spain to crush even the Basques who were neither fascist nor Socialist unlike the ruling Spanish Socialist Government.

Some people are highly susceptible to Fascism for some odd reason and respond well to the Strong Man while others don't. For instance, Germans responded well to Hitler and almost to the very last days, the German People idolized Hitler. But the Italians turned on Mussolini early on in the war, not because they were losing but because the spell had worn off. Had the Italians continued to idolize Mussolini, the Italian front would have had a very different outcome.

On the other side of the coin, Communism (pseudo) should have died with Lenin. It had already failed. But a Strongman came along and basically did what Hitler and Mussolini did just earlier. If Communism (pseudo) and Fascism look very similar it's because both ends up morphing into a Dictatorship. And that is what all 3 ended up being. The only person to ever make Fascism to work was Franco and no one has ever made Communism (pseudo) ever work.

For the last 20 years or so, the US has had the same roots that started Fascism in Europe. The only difference is, we have two documents or laws that slows it down, the Constitution of the United States and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They don't stop. They just slow the process down.

The point here is, the Strongman can come from either side. The conditions are ripe in the US today. What can we do to prevent it?

1. Stop blaming someone else for our own problems

2. Stop with the hate and Fear.

3. Work Together as a Nation and a community.

4. Don't accept simple solutions to complicated problems

5. No one person will be able to cure all the problems. If someone EVER says, "Only I can" then ......

Remember this, Democracy must be worked on each and every day by everyone or it will be lost by everyone.

You libs have got some nerve...

For four years you people have

sowed division

hounded a sitting President with contrived nonsense

and now seemingly stolen an election.

and you want harmony?

You continue to divide your fellow American

call for their imprisonment

Attack people in the streets for not submitting

and have a “re education“ campaign aided by the MSM underway....

Social media is censoring speech, and silencing people for disagreeing with your narratives.

Get a mirror Daryl, YOU are the fascist.

I am a Patriot. I have paid a high price and some of my Brothers and Sisters have paid the ultimate price. You think of me as a liberal when in fact I am an old time Progressive Conservative Republican. Remember us? We built the roads, the dams, the electric lines, the waterways, and just about everything you take for granted today. You build nothing. You just take. Here is my Political Plank.

Republican Party Platform of 1956

 

[LiberalsLIE]

Why Democrats are Exactly Like Nazis

Antisemitism from the squad and others . . . . . attacks on Christian conservatives, outing ("doxing") Trump donors and supporters, targeting them and attacking with militant mobs like Antifa, a demand for the socialist takeover of the economy and private sector, calls for forced gun confiscation and much much more are similar to the tactics used by Adolf Hitler. The democratic party behaves exactly like Nazis and uses their tactics and mirrors their policies.

As I posted in another thread: . . . . the Democrats today, openly socialist just like Hitler, behave exactly like Nazis. Exactly!

Imagine Democrat governors calling on neighbors to rat each other pout for having to many guests at Thanksgiving. Just like Hitler Youth leaders told kids to rat out their own parents.

The liberals are dealing with a serious fascism problem. Whether it be the rise of anti Semitism, The Kristallnacht tactics of Antifa, the shouting down and shutting down free speech on campus or the random attempted murder of police.

My God just look around you: People are locked in their homes and our most precious rights of freedom to associate and travel are stripped from us.

"That's because of the virus Jeri." Yah, right. The virus was merely a convenient excuse.

Democrats enable the murder of millions of innocent humans every years in their Planned Butcherhood "clinics". And now I suppose you will say that a baby is not an innocent human being?

How about embracing of junk science on human beings (like transgenderism)? Nazis forced people in school to learn their junk science on the Arian race, just like Liberals embrace junk science on transgenderism and gender fluidity.

Gun control? favorite of Nazis and Communists.

They embrace the very evils that the Nazis practiced. Democrats' Nazi strong arm tactics, blackshirts in the streets (Antifa), heir murder of millions of innocent people in Planned Parenthood death camps, their embracing of socialism (Hitler always spoke of national socialism), to their willingness to squash free speech and other rights, and to their embracing of junk science on human beings (like transgenderism), the Democrats are EXACTLY like Nazis.

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