When Fascism seems normal we are in Serious Trouble

[LiberalsLIE]

 

[LiberalsLIE]

True Nazi comparison implicates Democrats

In reply to the writer of the June 8 letter "Wouk book on Nazism raises scary parallels," I must point out that something of much greater significance has happened, something much more important than…

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In reply to the writer of the June 8 letter “Wouk book on Nazism raises scary parallels,” I must point out that something of much greater significance has happened, something much more important than anything Donald Trump has done or not done.

For the first time in the history of the United States, the FBI and the Justice Department have been used to keep a particular political party in power. That is exactly what the Gestapo did for Germany’s Nazi Party and what the KGB did for the Soviet Union’s Communist Party. If anyone is looking for a comparison to Nazism, there it is.

I find it especially galling that the very crime President Trump is accused of (collusion with Russia) was actually committed by the Democratic Party in paying for Christopher Steele to travel to Russia and collude with Russian operatives to produce a phony dossier. Talk about hypocrisy!

I speak as an ex-Democrat (1956-2009). I left the Democratic Party, as I was disgusted by the antics of the greedy opportunistic Democrats of the Clinton and Obama years. The present Democrats are nothing compared to the good, caring Democrats of previous years, such as Harry Truman, Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale.

Myron R. Barr

 

[LiberalsLIE]

 

[colfax_m]

For instance, a few years ago the FBI wanted Apple to help to unlock an iPhone. Apple rejected the FBI's request. That doesn't happen under fascism.

True. Under fascism corporations don’t defy the government because the government uses threats to coerce them to do the will of the government under the guise of the “good of the people”.

Which is pretty much what Trump threatened.

 

[westwall]

That title isn't mine. It is from a PBS Tour Guide by the name of Rick Steves. He did a tour of Germany, Italy, Spain and others as pertaining to the runup and fall of WWII and Fascism. There were things in there that reminded me of the last 20 years of the United States. Fascism has been building for quite some time here. And we have the same conditions that led up to Fascism for Italy and Germany and to some degree, Spain. Here are just some of the conditions.

Hate between one large group on another. It may be religion, race, doctrine or almost anything else. It may be real or imagined. But to one or the other group, they believe it's real.

One group believes that another is getting a better shake than they are. Again, it may be real or imagined.

Fear.

There is more to it than that but those two ferment into other things. What happens is, it sets things up for a strong leader to come along and capitalized on those fears and hates. Here are some of the methods used to capitalize on this.

1. Simple Solutions for complicated problems. The Masses won't understand complicated solutions so the strongman introduces simple solutions. The Simple solutions sound so good but will NEVER work in the long run.

2. Pick one or two groups of people and make the masses fear and hate them. In the early Fascist days, it was Communists and Jews. Communists (or those that were tagged as Communists even when they weren't) were killed outright. Jews were sometimes killed outright but normally taken outside of Germany, outside of the German Citizens Eyes, and terminated in camps. This doesn't happen over night. It's when the Strong Man is allowed to continue to win over and over until he is no longer under constraints of the law. It took Mussolini about 7 years to accomplish his rise to power and Hitler 8 years. It was done gradual. Franco did it much quicker because he had the full military might of both Germany and Italy behind him in Spain to crush even the Basques who were neither fascist nor Socialist unlike the ruling Spanish Socialist Government.

Some people are highly susceptible to Fascism for some odd reason and respond well to the Strong Man while others don't. For instance, Germans responded well to Hitler and almost to the very last days, the German People idolized Hitler. But the Italians turned on Mussolini early on in the war, not because they were losing but because the spell had worn off. Had the Italians continued to idolize Mussolini, the Italian front would have had a very different outcome.

On the other side of the coin, Communism (pseudo) should have died with Lenin. It had already failed. But a Strongman came along and basically did what Hitler and Mussolini did just earlier. If Communism (pseudo) and Fascism look very similar it's because both ends up morphing into a Dictatorship. And that is what all 3 ended up being. The only person to ever make Fascism to work was Franco and no one has ever made Communism (pseudo) ever work.

For the last 20 years or so, the US has had the same roots that started Fascism in Europe. The only difference is, we have two documents or laws that slows it down, the Constitution of the United States and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They don't stop. They just slow the process down.

The point here is, the Strongman can come from either side. The conditions are ripe in the US today. What can we do to prevent it?

1. Stop blaming someone else for our own problems

2. Stop with the hate and Fear.

3. Work Together as a Nation and a community.

4. Don't accept simple solutions to complicated problems

5. No one person will be able to cure all the problems. If someone EVER says, "Only I can" then ......

Remember this, Democracy must be worked on each and every day by everyone or it will be lost by everyone.

You libs have got some nerve...

For four years you people have

sowed division

hounded a sitting President with contrived nonsense

and now seemingly stolen an election.

and you want harmony?

You continue to divide your fellow American

call for their imprisonment

Attack people in the streets for not submitting

and have a “re education“ campaign aided by the MSM underway....

Social media is censoring speech, and silencing people for disagreeing with your narratives.

Get a mirror Daryl, YOU are the fascist.

I am a Patriot. I have paid a high price and some of my Brothers and Sisters have paid the ultimate price. You think of me as a liberal when in fact I am an old time Progressive Conservative Republican. Remember us? We built the roads, the dams, the electric lines, the waterways, and just about everything you take for granted today. You build nothing. You just take. Here is my Political Plank.

Republican Party Platform of 1956

Bullshit. You are a fascist/communist through and through. You lie about everything you claim to have done.

The ONLY thing you are consistent in is your support for statist solutions to any perceived problem.

That makes you a fascist. Boi.

 

[zaangalewa]

Fascism/Nazism/Darwinism are right wing ideologies

Totally false.

You see me astonished, how someone is able to say so.

The right supports limited government, limited government regulations, limited taxation, and SUPPORTS free-market capitalism.

Do they? And I don't have any idea how important it is to be a "free market capitalist".

Much of the American left supports all-powerful government, endless government regulations, high taxes, and OPPOSES free-market capitalism.

Really? The democrats oppose free-markets? Do they say so? And taxes as well as law and order needs every country.

Fascism is a leftist cousin of similar leftist ideologies such as communism and socialism.

The common element between "left wing ideology" and "right wing ideology" is tyranny - the reasons for this tyranny are indeed unimportant for someone, who suffers under tyranny. Do you suffer under tyranny?

 

[LiberalsLIE]

In case you missed it:'

'hy Democrats are Exactly Like Nazis

Antisemitism from the squad and others . . . . . attacks on Christian conservatives, outing ("doxing") Trump donors and supporters, targeting them and attacking with militant mobs like Antifa, a demand for the socialist takeover of the economy and private sector, calls for forced gun confiscation and much much more are similar to the tactics used by Adolf Hitler. The democratic party behaves exactly like Nazis and uses their tactics and mirrors their policies.

As I posted in another thread: . . . . the Democrats today, openly socialist just like Hitler, behave exactly like Nazis. Exactly!

Imagine Democrat governors calling on neighbors to rat each other pout for having to many guests at Thanksgiving. Just like Hitler Youth leaders told kids to rat out their own parents.

The liberals are dealing with a serious fascism problem. Whether it be the rise of anti Semitism, The Kristallnacht tactics of Antifa, the shouting down and shutting down free speech on campus or the random attempted murder of police.

My God just look around you: People are locked in their homes and our most precious rights of freedom to associate and travel are stripped from us.

"That's because of the virus Jeri." Yah, right. The virus was merely a convenient excuse.

Democrats enable the murder of millions of innocent humans every years in their Planned Butcherhood "clinics". And now I suppose you will say that a baby is not an innocent human being?

How about embracing of junk science on human beings (like transgenderism)? Nazis forced people in school to learn their junk science on the Arian race, just like Liberals embrace junk science on transgenderism and gender fluidity.

Gun control? favorite of Nazis and Communists.

They embrace the very evils that the Nazis practiced. Democrats' Nazi strong arm tactics, blackshirts in the streets (Antifa), heir murder of millions of innocent people in Planned Parenthood death camps, their embracing of socialism (Hitler always spoke of national socialism), to their willingness to squash free speech and other rights, and to their embracing of junk science on human beings (like transgenderism), the Democrats are EXACTLY like Nazis.

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Prove me wrong!

I don't want to hear whining all about me: Pick one item from what I have listed and prove me wrong.

 

[zaangalewa]

Nationalism is a belief that the state is justified in their actions.

I have never heard it defined in this manner. Is this your definition or another's?

In one of the most dangerous sentences, which ever were spoken on this planet:

"Right or wrong - my country"
Stephan Decatur

 

[zaangalewa]

A nationalist thinks the own country is then only good country...

That's not accurate. Mahatma Gandhi was a "nationalist". Did he believe that India was the "only good country"?

You read what I wrote, selected this and argue now in such a way with me? Strange - very, very, very strange. Why do you do so? What is the reason why you speak with other people?

 

[Votto]

But Leftism and socialism is all about making everyone do and think the same things. Leftism is fasicm.

There are varying degrees of "leftism". There ae many leftists that SUPPORT free-market capitalism. So, no, not all leftists are fascists, but ALL fascists are leftists.

Most of Europe is, politically, to the left of the U.S., although that gap is closing as the U.S. moves even further to the left.

There are a fair number of American leftists that support communism or fascism (just don't call it fascism) but the majority of leftists do NOT support going that far to the left. Generally, they SUPPORT free-market capitalism but, like many European leftists, support a highly regulated economic system, high taxes, and many government programs such as extended (and paid) maternity leave and more.

I think that is a little off. Leftists embrace corporatism but not a free market, much like China does today.

Don't mistake government driven corporate capitalism with a free market.

Just look at how corporate media is censoring all information so that it is palatable to the DNC. Corporations will continue to do so in order to be left alone, or at least, somewhat left alone by the Brown shirts.

 

[zaangalewa]

...

Gun control? favorite of Nazis and Communists. ...

The Nazis and Commies destroyed in violent street fights the democracy of Weimar about 100 years ago. I fear the lack of weapon laws in the USA is easily able to grow to a titanic disaster.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I have consistently argued that Trump was NOT a fascist, though those who argue that “Democrats are fascists” show the level of insanity his movement kicked up.

Trump even ultimately failed to build a stable ruling rightwing authoritarian nationalist political regime. He aspired mostly just to establish a kind of elected “illiberal democracy,” with him as a sort of elected “King,” but in the end was unable to win re-election. He was not even able to effectively govern like rightwing nationalist leaders Narendra Modi in India, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Viktor Orbán in Hungary, Vladimir Putin in Russia, Jarosław Kaczyński in Poland, or Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in Turkey.

Of course Trump did do a tremendous job of awakening an old authoritarian strand of “Americanism,” that may come back as a far more successful and lasting political force under a more competent, less narcissistic, politician. See: CDZ - America’s Next Authoritarian Will Be Much More Competent

Here are some insights from Sarah Churchwell of the University of London, who wrote an interesting 2018 book delineating the history of two linked but contradictory American doctrines — Behold, America: The Entangled History of "America First" and "the American Dream.”

The role that patriotic symbolism, mass entertainment and a corporate state might play in an incipient American fascism was clear to astute observers [in the 1930s]. In Sinclair Lewis’s novel, It Can’t Happen Here (1935), an American fascist dictatorship is brought about by the “Corporatist” party, led by the reactionary populist Buzz Windrip. Windrip takes power by forging alliances with media giants, including Father Prang, a character based on Father Charles Coughlin, whose weekly radio show was listened to by millions of Americans at its height in the mid-1930s. Coughlin was virulently, and conspiratorially, anti-Semitic, disseminating the (fraudulent) Protocols of the Elders of Zion and confirming Nazi accusations of a Jewish-Communist plot for world domination led by a cabal of “international bankers”. Windrip whips his crowds to a frenzy with patriotic music and populist jingles about clearing the “rot” in Washington, taking power thanks to the carnival he’s created. “Great showmanship,” the reporter who serves as Lewis’s resistant voice of liberal democracy observes of Windrip’s performance. “PT Barnum or Flo Ziegfeld never put on a better.”...

Whatever one’s opinion of Donald Trump, there is no denying that his political success to date represents its own kind of triumph of the will, one built on a political carnivalesque. Trump’s manifest need for the adoration of his crowd, his desire to exhibit to the world the cheering hordes of his political rallies, may seem like an ersatz copy of the authentic rallies of fascist leaders of yore. The fact that show business is at the heart of Trump’s unstable political project sometimes leads to the argument that Trump isn’t fascist, but merely an entertainer. Fascism was always about entertainment, however: the deep root of its poison was that it made hatred entertaining.

Trump may lack the discipline and grandeur to which the original fascist spectacles aspired, but he doesn’t lack the grandiosity. What makes Trump so clownish is the delusional gap between the claims he makes and the figure he presents. Without discipline, the attempts at impressive bombast collapse into bathetic farce. The first fascists emphasised individual heroism and physical perfection: Trump ...

This much is clear. Trump’s fanatic followers (not all of his supporters are fanatics), those who refuse to acknowledge his defeat in the elections, those who yearn for secession or civil war, those who really wanted and expected to overturn electoral results attested and confirmed as legitimate by the states and courts — they have shown their own undemocratic and authoritarian aspirations. They have been dealt a necessary blow. But the conditions that created this movement have not gone away, and the nationalist populist authoritarian right remains a powerful and dangerous force in the country.

 

[K9Buck]

Hilarious. Trump is no ideologue. Trump isn't a partisan. Trump ran on a simple promise, to put the interests of average Americans first and to improve the economy (Make American Great Again) in order to improve their standard of living. End of story.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Hilarious. Trump is no ideologue. Trump isn't a partisan. Trump ran on a simple promise, to put the interests of average Americans first and to improve the economy (Make American Great Again) in order to improve their standard of living. End of story.

Of course Trump is no intellectual-style ideologue. He only idolizes himself. To the extent he has an “ideology” it is “America First.” Trump isn’t partisan? He is and has always been a partisan of himself. Born super rich, he has in fact always had contempt and disdain for poor and working people, as well as for democratic institutions and norms. He is an entertainer, a cynical self-promoter, a narcissist utterly infatuated with himself. That is one of the main reasons why he ultimately failed.

 

[K9Buck]

He only idolizes himself.

You have TDS.

 

[K9Buck]

...he has in fact always had contempt and disdain for poor and working people...

Not true. Trump said himself that he grew up around construction sites and that he feels much more comfortable hanging out with blue-collar men than he ever did the Wall Street types.

Prior to the China-virus, Trump did more for poor and middle-class Americans than any president in recent history. Additionally, Trump did more for poor black Americans than any other president, Obama included. In fact, it wasn't close.

You don't care about any of that, of course, because your love, loyalty, and devotion is to advancing the interests of the Democratic Party and, more importantly, its wealthy elites.

 

[Papageorgio]

A lot of ugly things have been normalized over the past four years, but the VERY good news is that we recognized our mistake quickly.

It would have been a much different story if we had kept the ugliness going by re-electing it.

It's been going on a lot longer than four years, and I think we tend to turn a blind eye to it all.

 

[evenflow1969]

That title isn't mine. It is from a PBS Tour Guide by the name of Rick Steves. He did a tour of Germany, Italy, Spain and others as pertaining to the runup and fall of WWII and Fascism. There were things in there that reminded me of the last 20 years of the United States. Fascism has been building for quite some time here. And we have the same conditions that led up to Fascism for Italy and Germany and to some degree, Spain. Here are just some of the conditions.

Hate between one large group on another. It may be religion, race, doctrine or almost anything else. It may be real or imagined. But to one or the other group, they believe it's real.

One group believes that another is getting a better shake than they are. Again, it may be real or imagined.

Fear.

There is more to it than that but those two ferment into other things. What happens is, it sets things up for a strong leader to come along and capitalized on those fears and hates. Here are some of the methods used to capitalize on this.

1. Simple Solutions for complicated problems. The Masses won't understand complicated solutions so the strongman introduces simple solutions. The Simple solutions sound so good but will NEVER work in the long run.

2. Pick one or two groups of people and make the masses fear and hate them. In the early Fascist days, it was Communists and Jews. Communists (or those that were tagged as Communists even when they weren't) were killed outright. Jews were sometimes killed outright but normally taken outside of Germany, outside of the German Citizens Eyes, and terminated in camps. This doesn't happen over night. It's when the Strong Man is allowed to continue to win over and over until he is no longer under constraints of the law. It took Mussolini about 7 years to accomplish his rise to power and Hitler 8 years. It was done gradual. Franco did it much quicker because he had the full military might of both Germany and Italy behind him in Spain to crush even the Basques who were neither fascist nor Socialist unlike the ruling Spanish Socialist Government.

Some people are highly susceptible to Fascism for some odd reason and respond well to the Strong Man while others don't. For instance, Germans responded well to Hitler and almost to the very last days, the German People idolized Hitler. But the Italians turned on Mussolini early on in the war, not because they were losing but because the spell had worn off. Had the Italians continued to idolize Mussolini, the Italian front would have had a very different outcome.

On the other side of the coin, Communism (pseudo) should have died with Lenin. It had already failed. But a Strongman came along and basically did what Hitler and Mussolini did just earlier. If Communism (pseudo) and Fascism look very similar it's because both ends up morphing into a Dictatorship. And that is what all 3 ended up being. The only person to ever make Fascism to work was Franco and no one has ever made Communism (pseudo) ever work.

For the last 20 years or so, the US has had the same roots that started Fascism in Europe. The only difference is, we have two documents or laws that slows it down, the Constitution of the United States and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They don't stop. They just slow the process down.

The point here is, the Strongman can come from either side. The conditions are ripe in the US today. What can we do to prevent it?

1. Stop blaming someone else for our own problems

2. Stop with the hate and Fear.

3. Work Together as a Nation and a community.

4. Don't accept simple solutions to complicated problems

5. No one person will be able to cure all the problems. If someone EVER says, "Only I can" then ......

Remember this, Democracy must be worked on each and every day by everyone or it will be lost by everyone.

Remember it's Christmas time!!!! Christmas star this year. Let's pray this seasons spirit is captured and maybe a little Christmas miracle could happen and we could remember to show good will toward men. All men!

 

[BlindBoo]

For instance, Germans responded well to Hitler...

Learn history. Hitler NEVER won a majority of votes from Germans. Like modern American leftists, German leftists, such as Hitler, learned to win by crook, as in the saying "by hook or by crook". The 1930's leftist Germans used anti-Democratic, totalitarian, tactics to seize total power, sort of like how the American left is doing today.

Unless there is a call for organized violence in the streets it is unquestionable that neither party is like or is nearly like the fucking Nazi.

Suck it up ladies, there another election on the horizon.

 

[j-mac]

That title isn't mine. It is from a PBS Tour Guide by the name of Rick Steves. He did a tour of Germany, Italy, Spain and others as pertaining to the runup and fall of WWII and Fascism. There were things in there that reminded me of the last 20 years of the United States. Fascism has been building for quite some time here. And we have the same conditions that led up to Fascism for Italy and Germany and to some degree, Spain. Here are just some of the conditions.

Hate between one large group on another. It may be religion, race, doctrine or almost anything else. It may be real or imagined. But to one or the other group, they believe it's real.

One group believes that another is getting a better shake than they are. Again, it may be real or imagined.

Fear.

There is more to it than that but those two ferment into other things. What happens is, it sets things up for a strong leader to come along and capitalized on those fears and hates. Here are some of the methods used to capitalize on this.

1. Simple Solutions for complicated problems. The Masses won't understand complicated solutions so the strongman introduces simple solutions. The Simple solutions sound so good but will NEVER work in the long run.

2. Pick one or two groups of people and make the masses fear and hate them. In the early Fascist days, it was Communists and Jews. Communists (or those that were tagged as Communists even when they weren't) were killed outright. Jews were sometimes killed outright but normally taken outside of Germany, outside of the German Citizens Eyes, and terminated in camps. This doesn't happen over night. It's when the Strong Man is allowed to continue to win over and over until he is no longer under constraints of the law. It took Mussolini about 7 years to accomplish his rise to power and Hitler 8 years. It was done gradual. Franco did it much quicker because he had the full military might of both Germany and Italy behind him in Spain to crush even the Basques who were neither fascist nor Socialist unlike the ruling Spanish Socialist Government.

Some people are highly susceptible to Fascism for some odd reason and respond well to the Strong Man while others don't. For instance, Germans responded well to Hitler and almost to the very last days, the German People idolized Hitler. But the Italians turned on Mussolini early on in the war, not because they were losing but because the spell had worn off. Had the Italians continued to idolize Mussolini, the Italian front would have had a very different outcome.

On the other side of the coin, Communism (pseudo) should have died with Lenin. It had already failed. But a Strongman came along and basically did what Hitler and Mussolini did just earlier. If Communism (pseudo) and Fascism look very similar it's because both ends up morphing into a Dictatorship. And that is what all 3 ended up being. The only person to ever make Fascism to work was Franco and no one has ever made Communism (pseudo) ever work.

For the last 20 years or so, the US has had the same roots that started Fascism in Europe. The only difference is, we have two documents or laws that slows it down, the Constitution of the United States and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They don't stop. They just slow the process down.

The point here is, the Strongman can come from either side. The conditions are ripe in the US today. What can we do to prevent it?

1. Stop blaming someone else for our own problems

2. Stop with the hate and Fear.

3. Work Together as a Nation and a community.

4. Don't accept simple solutions to complicated problems

5. No one person will be able to cure all the problems. If someone EVER says, "Only I can" then ......

Remember this, Democracy must be worked on each and every day by everyone or it will be lost by everyone.

You libs have got some nerve...

For four years you people have

sowed division

hounded a sitting President with contrived nonsense

and now seemingly stolen an election.

and you want harmony?

You continue to divide your fellow American

call for their imprisonment

Attack people in the streets for not submitting

and have a “re education“ campaign aided by the MSM underway....

Social media is censoring speech, and silencing people for disagreeing with your narratives.

Get a mirror Daryl, YOU are the fascist.

I am a Patriot. I have paid a high price and some of my Brothers and Sisters have paid the ultimate price. You think of me as a liberal when in fact I am an old time Progressive Conservative Republican. Remember us? We built the roads, the dams, the electric lines, the waterways, and just about everything you take for granted today. You build nothing. You just take. Here is my Political Plank.

Republican Party Platform of 1956

I take nothing there Daryl. I also served my country, and while I respect your service, it has little to do with the multitude of postings you have amassed over the past 4 years, attacking every one of us that supported President Trump...But, yes, I do remember the "progressive Republican's", names like Flake, McCain, and others that didn't understand that Democrat liberals use you people to lend credibility to their wrong headed ideas...The wing of the Republican party that constantly undermines its goals...And the wing that is hell bent on large government, spending, and open borders, and in large, much the same platform as liberals....In fact, you'd be better off just being honest with yourself, and declaring yourself a liberal.