I’ve Never Been a Patriot, but Spain Standing Up to Trump Has Made Me One

they have shown zero ability is because they agree with him....so why would they tell him no?...
I don't really buy that. I don't think a vote for him was a blanket endorsement of everything he might do.

Trump voters, for example, wanted something done about the immigration mess - but I don't think that all, or even most, of them wanted all the police state theatrics. I don't think most of them thought they were voting for a neocon, and don't support his sudden enthusiasm for regime change and puppet governments kissing his ass.

Yet these people are mostly sitting on their hands.

And there's real fear involved. That's what pushes it from being a passionate political movement, to a dangerous cult of personality. Trump's obsession with loyalty pervades MAGA. Anyone who's dares to question him is viscously attacked.


THIS, more than any particular policy concerns, is what makes Trump a fascist and his mob so dangerous.
 
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I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.


By definition, America haters are not patriots.






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That was good to see. And Carney deserves a lot of credit for opening the door. Smaller steps at first.

This tragic, unnecessary divorce will be a process. I only hope America can avoid becoming totally isolated.

Leaving MAGA Support Group
This moron thinks the world is going to walk away from the American market.

What an idiot.
 
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I do not question the fact that Berg has never been a patriot.


.....unless he lives in China, that is, in which case he is really going all out for his country.
 
I do not question the fact that Berg has never been a patriot.


.....unless he lives in China, that is, in which case he is really going all out for his country.
Is it the act of a patriot to plot the subversion of the Constitution by attempting to steal a presidential election? I contend it isn't. Neither do patriots support such a person. I leave you to draw your own conclusions about what that makes you.
 
I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.
So you wont take a stand against the greatest evil of our time
 
Is it the act of a patriot to plot the subversion of the Constitution by attempting to steal a presidential election? I contend it isn't. Neither do patriots support such a person. I leave you to draw your own conclusions about what that makes you.
Never happened.
 
I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.
You didn't have to admit that you've never been a patriot. We all already knew that.
 
Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

He's permitted to feel that way, of course, but what a lot of people in and outside of Europe fail to remember is that they owe a good deal of their defense and livelihoods to our country. We own or have the use of approximately 50 military bases throughout Europe and have 75,000 to 100,000 soldiers stationed there at any given time. We are the primary contributor to NATO, contributing 2/3 of spending and until recently, many EU countries weren't meeting their obligations. The reason so many of those countries have been able to afford their largesse social welfare states is because they haven't had to worry about adequately funding their militaries because of our presence.

I don't think asking Spain to use some bases as a launching point in an attempt to the remove the Iranian regime, the largest financier of worldwide terrorism, which would in turn increase Spain's security, is a big ask.

I'm also not surprised you'd take their side.
 
I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.
So, go live in Spain.
 
He's permitted to feel that way, of course, but what a lot of people in and outside of Europe fail to remember is that they owe a good deal of their defense and livelihoods to our country. We own or have the use of approximately 50 military bases throughout Europe and have 75,000 to 100,000 soldiers stationed there at any given time. We are the primary contributor to NATO, contributing 2/3 of spending and until recently, many EU countries weren't meeting their obligations. The reason so many of those countries have been able to afford their largesse social welfare states is because they haven't had to worry about adequately funding their militaries because of our presence.

I don't think asking Spain to use some bases as a launching point in an attempt to the remove the Iranian regime, the largest financier of worldwide terrorism, which would in turn increase Spain's security, is a big ask.

I'm also not surprised you'd take their side.
Europe sure doesn’t like talk of the US pulling out…
 
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I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.
You’re simply an anti American propagandist.

I see it as very amusing that you cannot grasp how much people simply laugh at your tired failed efforts.
 
Any time you're ready to turn that word salad in to something specific I'm ready to discuss it.
It was, actually, crystal clear.

You’re a coward and a liar.

The good news is that nobody with working brain cells buys the crap you endlessly spew.
 
I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.
Who would have ever guessed you'd side with anti-Trump? All this time I thought you were a TDS guy, but you certainly proved me wrong.
 

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