What's the best defense against Iran's drones?

[SaxonJackson]

I whole heartily agree - "but" IMO it's too late for that now, since last years attack on Iran in 2025 - their enrichment has stepped up considerably - and they are getting the necessary backup in regards to developing/producing the implosion tec. they are missing.

At the end of the day, I hope they're able to defend their citizens. Am I pro-Muslim? Nope. Is Iran perfect? Nope. But I'm not pro-Judaism or Secular-Humanism either and no nation is perfect including the USA or Israel. There was no, good, substantial reason for this attack against Iran. It's just another land grab for resources and just another regime-change war. The kind President "Conman" Trump promised he would NOT do.

It's easy for America's armchair warriors to "fight" this war from the comfort of their cozy homes as they eat their twinkies and guzzle their Bud Light, but I can't help but think of the innocent civilians who try to sleep at night knowing that their home may be the next target. The liars in D.C. want us to believe that this war is meant to "liberate the women" of Iran and to bring "democracy" and "freedom" while, simultaneously bombing an all-girl school. They don't give two hoots about "liberating" a f*cking soul. They simply want to put one of their own, state-sponsored despots in a position of power and turn Iran into a puppet regime.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Clones.

As in, clone troopers.

Begun this drone war has.

 

[The Duke]

I honestly don't know. But I don't think anyone on this forum really knows either.


This guy makes the rounds on non-state sponsored podcasts in Europe and the U.S.

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Mohammad Marandi - Wikipedia

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He was on former Fox News contributor, Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom podcast at around 11am E.S.T. today. The feed, of course, was blinking in and out, but it was a good interview.

Now of course, I can't say if what he is saying is anymore truthful than what CFR propagandists in this nation feed the crowds, I really don't know.

But there are many independent international figures that make the independent news podcast circuit. They are all pretty much singing the same tune.

Yes yes, it could all be totally deceptive Iranian propaganda, I'm aware. But most of these indie pod-cast's were more accurate about what was going on in Ukraine and Gaza than any of the CFR corporate news, so, I think it wise to include them in a survey of current event information.



And yes, I know the narratives that western mockingbird media is putting out, you need not tell me them.

I am just by nature, completely skeptical of everything unless I see visual proof, or hear it, with my own eyes and ears. I don't trust any government, religious dogma organizations, NGOs or corporations. It is the burden of having a complete free intellect.



I don't mind that you trust & believe some of these organizations. Life would not be so awesome if we all believed the same things, and thought & felt the same. You're cool in book.

Dude, all those "influencers" and podcasts are paid propaganda, too.
Oh, and Thank You!

 

[Zavulon]

And also when possible fighters.

A lot of the fighters in the air the last few days over Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and Bahrain were actually tasked with intercepting drones. Over 1,000 Iranian drones have been shot down so far, most of them by aircraft.

And this is absolutely nothing new. The British were shooting down German V-1 missiles with Spitfires in WWII with machine guns. And because these are simply dumb suicide drones, they are real easy to hit with the guns on a jet so they do not even need to use missiles.

But for point defense, C-RAM is the best solution. And the Army only has 3 battalions of C-RAM. And it would not surprise me when this is over that finally might get increased.

They might even get the funding finally to fulfill their goals from 20 years ago. That is to make true "Air Defense Battalions". I saw those plans many years ago, and they were impressive. Reduce the number of PATRIOT batteries in a battalion from 4 to 3. Then add in a battery of THAAD, and a battery of AVENGER and/or C-RAM.

The latter was still up in the air when I worked in PATRIOT. Some were arguing for one of each, others were favoring an either/or approach where some battalions got AVENGER, and others got C-RAM.

And AVENGER can also be used against drones. But only a few ADA battalions have them. There were once 26 batteries of them in service, I want to say that is around 5 today.

Most of them are dumb suicide drones. But some of them are bearing air-to-air IR-guided self-defense missiles. And that's how some of Ukrainian F-16 were killed.

 

[toobfreak]

How dyed in the wool are you? You can poll as much as you want.
It doesn't change the FACT:

China has NOT attacked any nation, militarily since 1980. unlike proven warmonger such as Israel, USA and NATO.

China has been busy enough conquering and enslaving its own people and building up its military along with others like Iran and N. Korea. ITMT, they invaded Tibet, disappeared the Panchen Lama and brutalized the Tibetans killing all its leaders, all purely for personal gain, though I'm not sure what they gained there.

NATO mainly hands out human aide and tries to defend against Russian incursion, Israel mainly fends off attacks from Arabs, and the USA mainly goes around helping to equalize world issues like stopping Hitler from taking Europe, Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor, helping Ukraine fend off Russia, and now breaking up the drug, human traffic and oil thing developing between China and other countries around the globe to stave off its eventual threat to the USA among other things.

Which makes your statement above laughable and the words of a buffoon.

 

[toobfreak]

Nice gun but look at how much just one of them costs! Meantime, these Iranian drones have wood propellers on them. There needs to be more volume/low tech solutions for the USA. Also, I think guns like the CRAM are getting obsolete. Far better to use directed energy against stuff, it can cover a far wider range and instantly reach out and touch its target while a gun needs to aim ahead and shoot to where it thinks the target will be when the bullets get there.

 

[toobfreak]

Yes the political process! however one should not forget the "manufacturing" capacity/capability - a major problem for Western countries. This is how Russia manages to survive it's Ukraine war, not via "respectable" weapon systems, but sheer numbers.

The USA has no manufacturing problem. We can scale up manufacturing needs to meet any demand. Funny how Russia has all this capability yet has not been able to even take a tiny country in four years and that is with lots of added help from China, N. Korea and Iran. Yep, Russia is just tilting at windmills.

As Marco Rubio "accidentally" or stupidly publicly mentioned - the USA is only able to produce around 10 Thaad & 30 Patriot missiles per month.

That or Marco was just feeding you saps more misinformation to misdirect our enemies.

Off-course US adversaries are well informed about this

It's about time they are well informed about something!

 

[Deadstick]

At the end of the day, I hope they're able to defend their citizens. Am I pro-Muslim? Nope. Is Iran perfect? Nope. But I'm not pro-Judaism or Secular-Humanism either and no nation is perfect including the USA or Israel. There was no, good, substantial reason for this attack against Iran. It's just another land grab for resources and just another regime-change war. The kind President "Conman" Trump promised he would NOT do.

It's easy for America's armchair warriors to "fight" this war from the comfort of their cozy homes as they eat their twinkies and guzzle their Bud Light, but I can't help but think of the innocent civilians who try to sleep at night knowing that their home may be the next target. The liars in D.C. want us to believe that this war is meant to "liberate the women" of Iran and to bring "democracy" and "freedom" while, simultaneously bombing an all-girl school. They don't give two hoots about "liberating" a f*cking soul. They simply want to put one of their own, state-sponsored despots in a position of power and turn Iran into a puppet regime.

I doubt the MAGA base are happy, and they will be even less happy when they can't afford fuel for their cars and their factories start closing down and body bags start coming home, and if there is one thing Americans think about it's money, Trump has gone full on Caligula which is no surprise with Knight Templar tribute acts like Hegseth who is a Christian fundamentalist fruitcake.

 

[toobfreak]

I doubt the MAGA base are happy, and they will be even less happy when they can't afford fuel for their cars

OH NO! You mean it might go back up to Joe Biden levels when there was nary a complaint from the Left?

and their factories start closing down

You mean like the two years Joe Biden shut down all the factories in the country, which you wholly supported?

and body bags start coming home,

Here, let me set my watch to that.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden sent plenty of body bags home for nothing but his ineptness. At least here, we are defeating a global evil.

 

[Deadstick]

OH NO! You mean it might go back up to Joe Biden levels when there was nary a complaint from the Left?


You mean like the two years Joe Biden shut down all the factories in the country, which you wholly supported?


Here, let me set my watch to that.

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Meanwhile, Joe Biden sent plenty of body bags home for nothing but his ineptness. At least here, we are defeating a global evil.

When will you understand this isn't a Biden Trump thing, they are two cheeks of the same backside, don't start complaining when the economic shit hits the fan.

 

[toobfreak]

When will you understand this isn't a Biden Trump thing, they are two cheeks of the same backside, don't start complaining when the economic shit hits the fan.

No, I will wait for you to complain when it doesn't hit the fan. There may be some economic turbulence as things smooth out, but I get so sick of pansies like you trying to use the age old tired argument of justifying inaction against global evil and threats decade after decade because you might get your hair a little mussed.

Had this country not waited so long to finally act, stopping Iran would have been a lot easier, so in effect, if there is any serious economic woes now, we can hang it all on you people.

Thank God you weren't around back when the decision was made to stop Hitler.

 

[Deadstick]

No, I will wait for you to complain when it doesn't hit the fan. There may be some economic turbulence as things smooth out, but I get so sick of pansies like you trying to use the age old tired argument of justifying inaction against global evil and threats decade after decade because you might get your hair a little mussed.

Had this country not waited so long to finally act, stopping Iran would have been a lot easier, so in effect, if there is any serious economic woes now, we can hang it all on you people.

Thank God you weren't around back when the decision was made to stop Hitler.

My family were some of those that did stop Hitler when others were saying Churchill suffered from Hitler derangement syndrome, the economic shit has already started to hit the fan, good luck when it really does then where will your Israel first bullshit be then?

 

[JohnDB]

Nice gun but look at how much just one of them costs! Meantime, these Iranian drones have wood propellers on them. There needs to be more volume/low tech solutions for the USA. Also, I think guns like the CRAM are getting obsolete. Far better to use directed energy against stuff, it can cover a far wider range and instantly reach out and touch its target while a gun needs to aim ahead and shoot to where it thinks the target will be when the bullets get there.

Yep, that's what we have been discussing.....how it's a golden sledgehammer used on a fly.
It works....but too expensive and wrong tool for the job.

The lasers also have been employed against drones....these tend to be more cost effective per shot. The system? It would have been cheaper to just let the drone hit than to build more of them. And it still can be overwhelmed by a swarm.

If you send 100 drones against a single target....there is not a single system capable of stopping the attack. Even our multiple layered systems cant do it either.....
These layers will get a bunch but not all....

And that's what needs to be focused on....
100 long distance flying grenades....currently not much can be done against them.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Hafar1014]

A layered defense, proximity cannon shells, microwave weapons and sea witch.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Hafar1014]

Yep, that's what we have been discussing.....how it's a golden sledgehammer used on a fly.
It works....but too expensive and wrong tool for the job.

The lasers also have been employed against drones....these tend to be more cost effective per shot. The system? It would have been cheaper to just let the drone hit than to build more of them. And it still can be overwhelmed by a swarm.

If you send 100 drones against a single target....there is not a single system capable of stopping the attack. Even our multiple layered systems cant do it either.....
These layers will get a bunch but not all....

And that's what needs to be focused on....
100 long distance flying grenades....currently not much can be done against them.

Proximity blast cannon shells, next microwave emitters and finally sea witch. can easily stop any large number of drones without a single expensive rocket

 

[WorldWatcher]

Proximity blast cannon shells, next microwave emitters and finally sea witch. can easily stop any large number of drones without a single expensive rocket

What is sea witch?

WW

 

[Hafar1014]

What is sea witch?

WW

 

[JohnDB]

Proximity blast cannon shells, next microwave emitters and finally sea witch. can easily stop any large number of drones without a single expensive rocket

Stopping a swarm with a swarm is likely how it will be successful.

Things can get complicated in a hurry.....especially if one drone of the drone swarm is an EW device of some sort....that can make a mess of intercepting defensive capabilities.

We are always looking to create electronic solutions for mechanical problems.....not exactly a great idea.