What's next after this 2 trillion dollar pork bill, how about 3 trillion more?

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
mitch said no to all the other pork in the bill,,
the least you could do is be honest,,,
The rest passed.
like I said,,
the least you could do is be honest,, and that isnt it,,
He has talked himself into such a corner is not capable of being honest at this point

The Dems passed a two trillion dollar "relief" package, and end up with a 900K one....but he wants us to believe everything else passed......
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
mitch said no to all the other pork in the bill,,
the least you could do is be honest,,,
The rest passed.
like I said,,
the least you could do is be honest,, and that isnt it,,
He has talked himself into such a corner is not capable of being honest at this point
thats an understatement,,,
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
hahaha the Dems passed a two trillion dollar relief package.....and not until after the election does a 900k one pass...and you want to try and say everything was agreed on but the direct check? hahahahhhah
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
hahaha the Dems passed a two trillion dollar relief package.....and not until after the election does a 900k one pass...and you want to try and say everything was agreed on but the direct check? hahahahhhah
By that time, yes. Trump and Pelosi said 2k. Mitch said $600. Trump is still going after Mitch over the reasons for this.
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
hahaha the Dems passed a two trillion dollar relief package.....and not until after the election does a 900k one pass...and you want to try and say everything was agreed on but the direct check? hahahahhhah
By that time, yes. Trump and Pelosi said 2k. Mitch said $600. Trump is still going after Mitch over the reasons for this.
Nancy only agreed to a package, after the election....she held the American people hostage for months and attempted to extort the US Treas.

If you actually cared about the debt, like you said, then you would have supported the GOP efforts to fight against her 2 trillion dollar pork, wish list....and you'd be standing with the GOP today, as they fight against the 1.9 trillion wish list....

The GOP had a lot of say about the debt, your post was wrong....you just weren't listening
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
hahaha the Dems passed a two trillion dollar relief package.....and not until after the election does a 900k one pass...and you want to try and say everything was agreed on but the direct check? hahahahhhah
By that time, yes. Trump and Pelosi said 2k. Mitch said $600. Trump is still going after Mitch over the reasons for this.
Nancy only agreed to a package, after the election....she held the American people hostage for months and attempted to extort the US Treas.

If you actually cared about the debt, like you said, then you would have supported the GOP efforts to fight against her 2 trillion dollar pork, wish list....and you'd be standing with the GOP today, as they fight against the 1.9 trillion wish list....

The GOP had a lot of say about the debt, your post was wrong....you just weren't listening
dont be mistaken,, he doesnt give a shit about the debt,,
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
hahaha the Dems passed a two trillion dollar relief package.....and not until after the election does a 900k one pass...and you want to try and say everything was agreed on but the direct check? hahahahhhah
By that time, yes. Trump and Pelosi said 2k. Mitch said $600. Trump is still going after Mitch over the reasons for this.
Nancy only agreed to a package, after the election....she held the American people hostage for months and attempted to extort the US Treas.

If you actually cared about the debt, like you said, then you would have supported the GOP efforts to fight against her 2 trillion dollar pork, wish list....and you'd be standing with the GOP today, as they fight against the 1.9 trillion wish list....

The GOP had a lot of say about the debt, your post was wrong....you just weren't listening
I told you how I did not support the bill and I didn't vote for Nancy. (Or biden) When I explained my reasoning, you defended the spending.
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
hahaha the Dems passed a two trillion dollar relief package.....and not until after the election does a 900k one pass...and you want to try and say everything was agreed on but the direct check? hahahahhhah
By that time, yes. Trump and Pelosi said 2k. Mitch said $600. Trump is still going after Mitch over the reasons for this.
Nancy only agreed to a package, after the election....she held the American people hostage for months and attempted to extort the US Treas.

If you actually cared about the debt, like you said, then you would have supported the GOP efforts to fight against her 2 trillion dollar pork, wish list....and you'd be standing with the GOP today, as they fight against the 1.9 trillion wish list....

The GOP had a lot of say about the debt, your post was wrong....you just weren't listening
dont be mistaken,, he doesnt give a shit about the debt,,
Why should I be different than everyone else?
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
hahaha the Dems passed a two trillion dollar relief package.....and not until after the election does a 900k one pass...and you want to try and say everything was agreed on but the direct check? hahahahhhah
By that time, yes. Trump and Pelosi said 2k. Mitch said $600. Trump is still going after Mitch over the reasons for this.
Nancy only agreed to a package, after the election....she held the American people hostage for months and attempted to extort the US Treas.

If you actually cared about the debt, like you said, then you would have supported the GOP efforts to fight against her 2 trillion dollar pork, wish list....and you'd be standing with the GOP today, as they fight against the 1.9 trillion wish list....

The GOP had a lot of say about the debt, your post was wrong....you just weren't listening
I told you how I did not support the bill and I didn't vote for Nancy. (Or biden) When I explained my reasoning, you defended the spending.
I did not defend Nancy or Biden's bills....

Ok, so you don't support any Covid Relief bills..glad that's cleared up now.
 

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Why not? No one has cared about the debt for years so why start now?
Not sure what you are talking about....we have been trying to get a second covid relief package passed for sometime....the left refused over and over again to compromise on their massive spending bill, mitch and the gop were concerned at the massive bill and offered packages that were focused just on covid offering much less..so they were certainly concerned.
Under Mitch we passed a bill that gave Tom Brady a million dollars.
Really? Tom got a million dollar check from the US Govt? Can I see the link?
Tom Brady's health and wellness company received a $1 million PPP loan.
So his small business got a PPP loan, not Tom himself? What's your point? PPP was met for business to keep employees on their payroll and stay in business.

Good that was the point of the PPP program.....does the dems bill not have the widely popular PPP?
Do you really think Tom needed 1 million from the taxpayers to stay in business?

Now do people on the street need help to simply pay their rent?
I don't think Tom the individual did....and he likely didn't get the $1200 check. The small business, which is a different entity then Tom Brady the person, might have....and well sounds like he did.

I guess by your logic, anyone with money, that has a business shouldn't have taken PPP loans because well, they could have used the personal money to fund the business.

Which seems to defeat the purpose
If we can give a multi millionaire a million more I am not going to complain about regular people getting whatever they get.
We didn't give Tom Brady a million bucks....your own link says it went to a company of his, a company that employed people, people that needed to keep their jobs.

Do you not understand the difference between an individual, and a company they mgiht be a part of? This was a small business at that.

What I find upsetting about the Dems new bill...is they are giving their donors in Silican Valley, a tunnel....it including building a tunnel for their rich donors.....I mean come on!

Small businesses, and their employees like the one Tom has, is really impacted by all this ...Silicon Valley isn't...and what the heck does building them a tunnel have to do with Covid??
Do you really think Tom Brady need a million dollars to keep his business afloat?

But you prove another point. The PPP added millions and millions to the debt and here you are defending it and people say people care about the debt. Obviously you do not.
I have no idea what sort of stuff his business does or the number of employees etc....so maybe...

Of course it did, but the alternative was to do nothing and allow millions people to be unemployed, businesses to shut down, and likely never recover...and thus losing a massive tax base.

the PPP was a good program to help deal with crisis that was the Chinese Virus.....the dems adding building a tunnel for their donors in Silcon Valley is a bad and horrible idea and undo burden to our debt. The GOP pushing to keep that out shows they care about the debt
You support debt so don't pretend you care about the debt. I support helping people and you call me a communist. You support giant socialist programs and pretend they are not.
I don't support it, it exist....
You made excuses for it. You support it. If you didn't support it you would have simply condemned it.
I've condemed the Dems packages!

Yes, I made an excuse for a relief package...that being Covid.

So let me get this straight, because you are all over the place....you don't support any Covid Relief package now? None what so ever?

Sorry, I can't take that position.....but I am certainly taking a position that whatever the package is, it be limited to Covid Relief, not massive pork spending, or used to hold Americans hostage to try and get other wishes though...like paying back donors in SIlcon Valley
I don't support those who supported them under Trump but now don't under Biden even though Trump called for $2000.

I don't support those who condemn the fluff when it was there under Trump also.

If you want to condemn the packages because they add to the debt, do so. I won't argue with you but condemn them all and those who signed off on them.
I am fine with a $2K check to those that qualify just like Trump supported. That's not the issue.

The GOP in the Senate blocked Nancy's bill and tried to work with her, she refused....Trump bent even more, to try and get relief done, Nancy wouldn't bend....
Trump and Nancy was on the same side. They both wanted $2000. Mitch said no and it was $600.

I don't know of anyone that has said a Covid Relief package shouldn't be passed because of the debt.....I've only heard people condemn the Dems package because it adds unnecessaryly to the debt, and is being used as a way to add wish list, and donor bailouts.....a cheaper package focused on Covid Relief should be passed....but the Dems refuse to do that.

So you agree, you want the GOP to shut down the Dems package right?
If they decided to shut down the government over spending, I would support that.
True...but that was one piece of the relief package...the Dems were asking for two trillion, mainly to their pet projects and donor bailouts.....and wouldn't move for months..months....they wouldn't come to any agreement until after the election, which Trump was happy to sign to help hurting Americans. The Dems held the American people hostage for months to hurt the President....party over country....the DNC way
The only disagreement at that point was the amount of stimulus for the people. Trump and Pelosi agreed on $2000. Mitch said no.
NO they were fighting over all the pork in the Dems bill......because the GOP was concerned about the Debt.....the Dems only came around AFTER the election.

They held the American people hostage and attempted to extort from the Tres to bailout their comrades that have mismanaged their states with Dem policies for years....and to make Trump look bad during the election.
It was all agreed upon other than the 2K. Trump sided with Pelosi.
hahaha the Dems passed a two trillion dollar relief package.....and not until after the election does a 900k one pass...and you want to try and say everything was agreed on but the direct check? hahahahhhah
By that time, yes. Trump and Pelosi said 2k. Mitch said $600. Trump is still going after Mitch over the reasons for this.
Nancy only agreed to a package, after the election....she held the American people hostage for months and attempted to extort the US Treas.

If you actually cared about the debt, like you said, then you would have supported the GOP efforts to fight against her 2 trillion dollar pork, wish list....and you'd be standing with the GOP today, as they fight against the 1.9 trillion wish list....

The GOP had a lot of say about the debt, your post was wrong....you just weren't listening
dont be mistaken,, he doesnt give a shit about the debt,,
Why should I be different than everyone else?
not everyone else lies like you do,,,

but thanks for admitting you lied,,,
 

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He bought it up in a couple of SOTU's.
I’m sure he got great applause for doing so.

Which is all that he really cares about.

The actual work is someone else’s job.
Well yeah...contrary to what the left wants, the USA is not a dictatorship...the President can't just create and enact an infructure bill on his own....it takes Congress...both chambers to do the work in creating one and getting it to his desk.

In Feb of 2018, Trump proposed a plan to Congress, $200 billion in federal funding and $1.5 trillion from the private sector. Democrats opposed this plan because of its emphasis on state and local funding and private investments....and they were still to focused on overturning the 2016 election

Trump again met with Dem leaders at the Oval Office, in the Spring of 2019....but the Dems wouldn't pass the replacement, agreement for NAFTA, because they didn't want to give Trump a win....so it failed...mind you later Biden admitted it was a much much better deal then NAFTA...but the Dems continued to play politics and were still trying to overturn the 2016 election

So, it's not as if Trump wasn't working and trying....it's just when one party, the DNC, put party over country....it's hard to get much done
Trump was not "working and trying". 200 billion in Federal funding is like shoveling horse shit up a hill. The private sector? Nah, that idea would be tied up forever.
And nobody was focused on "overturning the election" because Trump won, just like Biden won. The Dems immediately blamed Clinton due to her dislike among the people, especially women.
The agreement for Nafta was on his desk when he took office. All he did was to tweak that agreement which had created 800,000 jobs within the first 5 years.
That boosted economic growth, profits, and jobs for all three countries. It also lowered prices for consumers. During that time, the United States increased its exports of goods to the other two from $142 billion to $549 billion. ... NAFTA boosted trade by eliminating all tariffs between the three countries.
Benefits of NAFTA: Advantages and Positive Effects - The Balance



www.thebalance.com › advantages-of-nafta-3306271


Contrary to what the Trump supporters are trying to sell, Democrats are well aware that Congress must approve an infrastructure package.
Contrary to what Trump is trying to create, the US is not a dictatorship, and his bad behavior cost him the election.
 
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Contrary to what the Trump supporters are trying to sell, Democrats are well aware that Congress must approve an infrastructure package.
Great. Let them take out a trillion or so dollars of their pork from this so-called Covid bill and use that for infrastructure.

Contrary to what Trump is trying to create, the US is not a dictatorship, and his bad behavior cost him the election.
The only thing that cost Trump the election was mail-in voting. When you invite more stupid to vote in elections, you're going to have a stupid outcome like we have now.
 

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He bought it up in a couple of SOTU's.
I’m sure he got great applause for doing so.

Which is all that he really cares about.

The actual work is someone else’s job.
Well yeah...contrary to what the left wants, the USA is not a dictatorship...the President can't just create and enact an infructure bill on his own....it takes Congress...both chambers to do the work in creating one and getting it to his desk.

In Feb of 2018, Trump proposed a plan to Congress, $200 billion in federal funding and $1.5 trillion from the private sector. Democrats opposed this plan because of its emphasis on state and local funding and private investments....and they were still to focused on overturning the 2016 election

Trump again met with Dem leaders at the Oval Office, in the Spring of 2019....but the Dems wouldn't pass the replacement, agreement for NAFTA, because they didn't want to give Trump a win....so it failed...mind you later Biden admitted it was a much much better deal then NAFTA...but the Dems continued to play politics and were still trying to overturn the 2016 election

So, it's not as if Trump wasn't working and trying....it's just when one party, the DNC, put party over country....it's hard to get much done
Trump was not "working and trying". 200 billion in Federal funding is like shoveling horse shit up a hill. The private sector? Nah, that idea would be tied up forever.
And nobody was focused on "overturning the election" because Trump won, just like Biden won. The Dems immediately blamed Clinton due to her dislike among the people, especially women.
The agreement for Nafta was on his desk when he took office. All he did was to tweak that agreement which had created 800,000 jobs within the first 5 years.
That boosted economic growth, profits, and jobs for all three countries. It also lowered prices for consumers. During that time, the United States increased its exports of goods to the other two from $142 billion to $549 billion. ... NAFTA boosted trade by eliminating all tariffs between the three countries.
Benefits of NAFTA: Advantages and Positive Effects - The Balance
www.thebalance.com › advantages-of-nafta-3306271


Contrary to what the Trump supporters are trying to sell, Democrats are well aware that Congress must approve an infrastructure package.
Contrary to what Trump is trying to create, the US is not a dictatorship, and his bad behavior cost him the election.
1) yes, Trump was concerned about federal spending and came up with a plan for a federal/private plan....it was starting point, but the dems didn't even bother
2) no they dems immediately came up with a Russian conspiracy hoax, and ran with it for years
3) Nope, the USMCA was not on Trump's desk.....the Obama/Biden admin did nothing to fix our trade deal in North Amerca
4) Yes, there some positives to NAFTA, but the USMCA is a much better deal, which was the goal of the President....even Biden admitted it was a much better deal 5) well the poster I was responding too didn't seem to understand that
6) how did he do that? By trying to work with Congress???
 
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I don't know where you get your info from...Trump maybe? Green energy is coming and is necessary. You spelled Obama's name incorrectly, so try to be an adult.
Congress would not approve anything for Obama except to fill the bowl with pork.
The pork was somewhat ok since it put money into the economy, which started to improve under Obama and which was well on its way when Trump took office.
Fossil fuel will always be a part of our lives.
Oh please, green is not any part of our future unless it's forced upon us like the Democrats want to do. If it was any kind of a deal, you wouldn't need government at all. The private sector would embrace it and we would buy it willingly, just like they did with computers, the internet and cell phones. We wanted these things and willing to pay for them. The Republicans wouldn't work with DumBama on anything? You mean the Republicans were all for increasing taxes on businesses?
 

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He bought it up in a couple of SOTU's.
I’m sure he got great applause for doing so.

Which is all that he really cares about.

The actual work is someone else’s job.
Well yeah...contrary to what the left wants, the USA is not a dictatorship...the President can't just create and enact an infructure bill on his own....it takes Congress...both chambers to do the work in creating one and getting it to his desk.

In Feb of 2018, Trump proposed a plan to Congress, $200 billion in federal funding and $1.5 trillion from the private sector. Democrats opposed this plan because of its emphasis on state and local funding and private investments....and they were still to focused on overturning the 2016 election

Trump again met with Dem leaders at the Oval Office, in the Spring of 2019....but the Dems wouldn't pass the replacement, agreement for NAFTA, because they didn't want to give Trump a win....so it failed...mind you later Biden admitted it was a much much better deal then NAFTA...but the Dems continued to play politics and were still trying to overturn the 2016 election

So, it's not as if Trump wasn't working and trying....it's just when one party, the DNC, put party over country....it's hard to get much done
Trump was not "working and trying". 200 billion in Federal funding is like shoveling horse shit up a hill. The private sector? Nah, that idea would be tied up forever.
And nobody was focused on "overturning the election" because Trump won, just like Biden won. The Dems immediately blamed Clinton due to her dislike among the people, especially women.
The agreement for Nafta was on his desk when he took office. All he did was to tweak that agreement which had created 800,000 jobs within the first 5 years.
That boosted economic growth, profits, and jobs for all three countries. It also lowered prices for consumers. During that time, the United States increased its exports of goods to the other two from $142 billion to $549 billion. ... NAFTA boosted trade by eliminating all tariffs between the three countries.
Benefits of NAFTA: Advantages and Positive Effects - The Balance
www.thebalance.com › advantages-of-nafta-3306271


Contrary to what the Trump supporters are trying to sell, Democrats are well aware that Congress must approve an infrastructure package.
Contrary to what Trump is trying to create, the US is not a dictatorship, and his bad behavior cost him the election.
1) yes, Trump was concerned about federal spending and came up with a plan for a federal/private plan....it was starting point, but the dems didn't even bother
2) no they dems immediately came up with a Russian conspiracy hoax, and ran with it for years
3) Nope, the USMCA was not on Trump's desk.....the Obama/Biden admin did nothing to fix our trade deal in North Amerca
4) Yes, there some positives to NAFTA, but the USMCA is a much better deal, which was the goal of the President....even Biden admitted it was a much better deal 5) well the poster I was responding too didn't seem to understand that
6) how did he do that? By trying to work with Congress???
1. No, Trump had no interest in an infrastructure repair plan--hence the little bone he presented to Congress.
2. Dems and the Russian interference had nothing to do with infrastructure. Your flapping about a hoax is just flapping and nothing more. Let's not forget Trump's private meeting with Putin and his asking Russia to turn over the Clinton Emails.
That Trump called it a hoax doesn't mean that it is a hoax, but it is a Trump deflection.



The Trade Deal We Just Threw Overboard - POLITICO ...



3. www.politico.com › magazine › story › 2017/03 › tru...

Trump has called NAFTA a “total disaster,” and in early February, he vowed with typical ... The new deal opened up service sectors like insurance, accounting and ... in office, before Congress could even vote on whether the deal should take effect. ... When I asked Obama's trade representative, Michael Froman, what his ...
READ THE ARTICLE, SON
4. Trump's agreement is a mere tweak, and nothing more.
5 & 6?
You are being conned again by an expert grifter.
 

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Y'all don't know, and don't want to know, how y'all suck the boots of the military-industrial complex and the billionaire class but to spend trillions for them but don't want to improve the country and people's lives. So let me just be militant about it: We won the election. To the victor goes to spoils.
 

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I don't know where you get your info from...Trump maybe? Green energy is coming and is necessary. You spelled Obama's name incorrectly, so try to be an adult.
Congress would not approve anything for Obama except to fill the bowl with pork.
The pork was somewhat ok since it put money into the economy, which started to improve under Obama and which was well on its way when Trump took office.
Fossil fuel will always be a part of our lives.
Oh please, green is not any part of our future unless it's forced upon us like the Democrats want to do. If it was any kind of a deal, you wouldn't need government at all. The private sector would embrace it and we would buy it willingly, just like they did with computers, the internet and cell phones. We wanted these things and willing to pay for them. The Republicans wouldn't work with DumBama on anything? You mean the Republicans were all for increasing taxes on businesses?
If the queen had balls, she would be king. Green energy has to become a part of our lives because fossil fuel is affecting our health and climate change demands a different approach. Fossil fuel ain't goin' nowhere. The private sector doesn't willingly accept change and is making an effort to bring green energy into the equation. With Trump, it all about money in his pocket. Computers and phones are not needed. Energy change is needed.
No, Trump reduced taxes on the super-wealthy--a huge mistake in a growing economy. With interest rates at an all-time low, and the wealthy investing their
increased wealth in the stock market and increasing the national debt by 2 trillion dollars, What do we do when the economy tanks? There are no arrows left in the quiver, thanks to that fool you elected.
 

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