39 trillion dollars and climbing. If the FED doesnt lower interest rates, the United States will be no more.

[Dragonlady]

Democrats by policy and design, republicans by acquiescence.

Democrats aren't crashing the economy every time they get into the White House. Democrats are cleaning up the fiscal mess left by Republicans.

By every measure, Democrats are BETTER for the economy than Republicans:

• GDP Growth
• Job creation
• Stock market gains
• Unemployment
• Wage Growth
• Infrastructure improvements

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What % of the pie do you think goes to welfare?

Too much goes to welfare, and ends up with non productive people sitting in their parents basement smoking dope and voting democrat.

 

[Dragonlady]

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Milton Friedman and his hairbrained ideas have been totally discredited and proven to be disastrously destructive to nations. See South America in the 1970's, and the USA today.

 

[Dragonlady]

Too much goes to welfare, and ends up with non productive people sitting in their parents basement smoking dope and voting democrat.

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Your chart is whack:

 

[luiza]

W

When did you become aware of this issue?

It has been flagged by Deep State for years for those with eyes to see .

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Too much goes to welfare, and ends up with non productive people sitting in their parents basement smoking dope and voting democrat.

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Do you guys just make up ish? Do you realize many folks on welfare work everyday? Welfare takes up about 7%.

 

[Dragonlady]

MSN The interest on the debt is 1.9 trillion dollars a year, while spending is down for government programs. Like i said if the FED doesnt lower interest rates like Janet Yellow did back for Obama so the rich could get richer, we the people will lose the dollar. Then what? Cities will burn as savages will get hungry and start looting food pantries and other stores. Oh wait, that happened under Joe Biden's watch. The leftists will blame President Trump, but we know that Democrats so hope the country goes down the shitter. Just might not end well with Democrats if the country tanks.

Savages???? You're referring to your fellow Americans as "savages". "Savages" are those who are rounding up and abusing immigrants, shooting protestors in the streets.

You are the only nation in the first world to keep working people in poverty with a minimum wage no one could ever live on. 60% of Americans are one lost paycheck away from financial crisis.

Why would Democrats want their own country to go into the shitter? Only a complete moron would ever believe such idiocy.

Do you guys just make up ish? Do you realize many folks on welfare work everyday? Welfare takes up about 7%.

They just keep parroting what billionaire owned right wing media keeps telling them.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Do you guys just make up ish? Do you realize many folks on welfare work everyday? Welfare takes up about 7%.

I used to be a minimum wage puke. Of course at the time i realized that it was no where job, so decided to better myself by getting skills that would make me more valuable. Those who just continue living on a minimum wage job, the rest of their lives, dont deserve the offset of free money from welfare. They didnt earn that money, they just slug along.

Ever here of Thomas Sowell?

Thomas​

Thomas Sowell is a prominent critic of the welfare state, arguing that it is the oldest con game in the world. He believes that the assumption that spending more taxpayer money will make things better is a common misconception. Sowell emphasizes the first lesson of economics: scarcity, stating that there is never enough of anything to satisfy all who want it. He also critiques the first lesson of politics, which is to disregard the first lesson of economics. Sowell's views on the welfare state reflect his broader critique of government intervention in the economy and his advocacy for free-market principles.

Sowell.org

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I used to be a minimum wage puke. Of course at the time i realized that it was no where job, so decided to better myself by getting skills that would make me more valuable. Those who just continue living on a minimum wage job, the rest of their lives, dont deserve the offset of free money from welfare. They didnt earn that money, they just slug along.

Ever here of Thomas Sowell?

Thomas​

Thomas Sowell is a prominent critic of the welfare state, arguing that it is the oldest con game in the world. He believes that the assumption that spending more taxpayer money will make things better is a common misconception. Sowell emphasizes the first lesson of economics: scarcity, stating that there is never enough of anything to satisfy all who want it. He also critiques the first lesson of politics, which is to disregard the first lesson of economics. Sowell's views on the welfare state reflect his broader critique of government intervention in the economy and his advocacy for free-market principles.
Sowell.org

Well good for you, some folks move up in life, some don't for whatever reason. Welfare wasn't a problem in this country when it was exclusively for whites. Kind of like a lot of things over the years, college, being a lawyer, getting a loan to start a business, etc. i don't read anything from a buck dancing boot licker like Sowell. Send that to Struth, I am pretty sure she will enjoy it.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Well good for you, some folks move up in life, some don't for whatever reason. Welfare wasn't a problem in this country when it was exclusively for whites. Kind of like a lot of things over the years, college, being a lawyer, getting a loan to start a business, etc. i don't read anything from a buck dancing boot licker like Sowell. Send that to Struth, I am pretty sure she will enjoy it.

You do know that more white people are on welfare than are blacks, right? Of course you wouldnt read anything from such an intelligent individual, because then it destroys you whole life's work on being a victim, as you so stated against "******". Must really suck to be you.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

You do know that more white people are on welfare than are blacks, right?

Sure do, which is why I don't understand why racist try to put a black face on it.

Of course you wouldnt read anything from such an intelligent individual, because then it destroys you whole life's work on being a victim, as you so stated against "******". Must really suck to be you.

I don't read anything from a black man who will sellout black folks to make racist like you pat him on the head. Anytime racist like a black man, he is one that bucks and boot licks to be accepted by you which will never happen.

 

[skews13]

MSN The interest on the debt is 1.9 trillion dollars a year, while spending is down for government programs. Like i said if the FED doesnt lower interest rates like Janet Yellow did back for Obama so the rich could get richer, we the people will lose the dollar. Then what? Cities will burn as savages will get hungry and start looting food pantries and other stores. Oh wait, that happened under Joe Biden's watch. The leftists will blame President Trump, but we know that Democrats so hope the country goes down the shitter. Just might not end well with Democrats if the country tanks.

The country already went down the shitter with Trump.

The rich got richer with the trickledown economics tax cuts for the rich scams, that stole that money from the middleclass that actually earned it.

I'll explain this one more time being you are maga and therefore slow on the uptake.

When you cut taxes for the wealthy, while repealing anti trust laws, and massively increase military spending at the same time.

You reduce revenue to the treasury directly, and indirectly by reducing consumer spending because of the lack of disposable income.

You now have to borrow money to make up for that shortfall in revenue and consumer spending.

Money that has to be paid back with interest. That you should have never had to borrow in the first place.

If you completely ended all benefits to needy Americans through food housing and healthcare assistance. You still wouldn't put a dent in the revenue shortfall created by that failed economic policy.

Cutting interest rates only decreases that revenue even further, while making the debt worse at the same time, because lower interest rates means the payments can't keep up with the compounding interest on the debt.

The deluded conservative mind of the non entitled welfare queen, has been the biggest economic disaster in American history.

The only way this ever ends is with the total repeal of all tax cuts to 1983. The return of all anti trust laws that have been repealed. The cutting and freezing of military spending to pre 2020 levels for at least 5 years.

The debt was less than $1trillion before 1980. The most prosperous time in America was between 1945- 1980.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what changed. And those prosperous times were during high tax rates on the upper income and capital gains, and during the height of social welfare to the poorest Americans.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Sure do, which is why I don't understand why racist try to put a black face on it.

I don't read anything from a black man who will sellout black folks to make racist like you pat him on the head. Anytime racist like a black man, he is one that bucks and boot licks to be accepted by you which will never happen.

Got it, successful black people, are turncoats to their race, because they dared moved away from the plantation known as the democrat party.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The country already went down the shitter with Trump.

The rich got richer with the trickledown economics tax cuts for the rich scams, that stole that money from the middleclass that actually earned it.

I'll explain this one more time being you are maga and therefore slow on the uptake.

When you cut taxes for the wealthy, while repealing anti trust laws, and massively increase military spending at the same time.

You reduce revenue to the treasury directly, and indirectly by reducing consumer spending because of the lack of disposable income.

You now have to borrow money to make up for that shortfall in revenue and consumer spending.

Money that has to be paid back with interest. That you should have never had to borrow in the first place.

If you completely ended all benefits to needy Americans through food housing and healthcare assistance. You still wouldn't put a dent in the revenue shortfall created by that failed economic policy.

Cutting interest rates only decreases that revenue even further, while making the debt worse at the same time, because lower interest rates means the payments can't keep up with the compounding interest on the debt.

The deluded conservative mind of the non entitled welfare queen, has been the biggest economic disaster in American history.

The only way this ever ends is with the total repeal of all tax cuts to 1983. The return of all anti trust laws that have been repealed. The cutting and freezing of military spending to pre 2020 levels for at least 5 years.

The debt was less than $1trillion before 1980. The most prosperous time in America was between 1945- 1980.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what changed. And those prosperous times were during high tax rates on the upper income and capital gains, and during the height of social welfare to the poorest Americans.

"The country already went down the shitter with Trump."

That happened with the Assistance of both the Democrats, & Republicans.
"If",.... One is to be Truthful, ....The Sad, & Dangerous State that America is in, absolutely can not be blamed on the "Twitter-in-Chief" only. POTUS Biden, Trump, O'Bama, Bush Jr., Clinton, Bush Sr., Carter, Nixon, Johnson, & more, as well as their political parties, have all contributed to the now rapidly declining condition of America, as well as the "Christian West".
"When you cut taxes for the wealthy, while repealing anti trust laws, and massively increase military spending at the same time.

You reduce revenue to the treasury directly, and indirectly by reducing consumer spending because of the lack of disposable income."

I Agree that the "Rich"/"Elite Class" share less of the "Tax Burden" than the Middle-Class, but,.... Again, both of America's Political Parties, have allowed that to happen.
Neither Political Party, truly returned to the status of Anti-trust Laws, nor has either Party, other than making a lotta noise, truly attempted to break up the many Monopolies created over the past 36 years, in Telecommunications, The Media, Banking, as well as Manufacturing.
Although I'm zealous for having a very strong, & modern military, that should be used only when it is "Justified",... I am against the "Un-Questioned Support" for the "Military/Industrial Complex" that POTUS Eisenhower warned America about.
One fallacy in your argument, is that You ignored the jobs created by Military Spending, that are a source of Taxable Revenue. Those who work in manufacturing goods for the Military, will be taxed, and in some form, or another, those "goods" from time of being raw materials to the finished product, are a source of taxable revenues.
"The deluded conservative mind of the non entitled welfare queen, has been the biggest economic disaster in American history."
You need to broaden Your Horizons!

The "biggest economic disaster" has many, many contributors, such as leaving the "Gold Standard", Basing the Dollar upon a "Promise to Pay", "Printing the Dollar out of thin Air", "Lunatic Spending on programs that have absolutely No Benefit for America", & much more.
"The debt was less than $1trillion before 1980. The most prosperous time in America was between 1945- 1980."

I Agree about that "Debt", but,....I & many in my Area,..... Experienced far more "Prosperity" during the time when Ronald Reagan was POTUS.
"and during the height of social welfare to the poorest Americans."

That is very questionable.

Since America's "Churches & Synagogues" have spent the largest amount of their "Tithes", on their Minsters, & buildings,..... America has not, In My Belief,.... Truly experienced the physical aspects of "Love Your Brother".

If the Federal, & State Governments had not stepped in, & assumed that burden,...... America quite possibly may have been overtaken by those who suffering from Hunger, etc.,..... But again,.... Even the Welfare/Medicaid System has many that Abuse it.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

"The country already went down the shitter with Trump."

That happened with the Assistance of both the Democrats, & Republicans.
"If",.... One is to be Truthful, ....The Sad, & Dangerous State that America is in, absolutely can not be blamed on the "Twitter-in-Chief" only. POTUS Biden, Trump, O'Bama, Bush Jr., Clinton, Bush Sr., Carter, Nixon, Johnson, & more, as well as their political parties, have all contributed to the now rapidly declining condition of America, as well as the "Christian West".
"When you cut taxes for the wealthy, while repealing anti trust laws, and massively increase military spending at the same time.

You reduce revenue to the treasury directly, and indirectly by reducing consumer spending because of the lack of disposable income."

I Agree that the "Rich"/"Elite Class" share less of the "Tax Burden" than the Middle-Class, but,.... Again, both of America's Political Parties, have allowed that to happen.
Neither Political Party, truly returned to the status of Anti-trust Laws, nor has either Party, other than making a lotta noise, truly attempted to break up the many Monopolies created over the past 36 years, in Telecommunications, The Media, Banking, as well as Manufacturing.
Although I'm zealous for having a very strong, & modern military, that should be used only when it is "Justified",... I am against the "Un-Questioned Support" for the "Military/Industrial Complex" that POTUS Eisenhower warned America about.
One fallacy in your argument, is that You ignored the jobs created by Military Spending, that are a source of Taxable Revenue. Those who work in manufacturing goods for the Military, will be taxed, and in some form, or another, those "goods" from time of being raw materials to the finished product, are a source of taxable revenues.
"The deluded conservative mind of the non entitled welfare queen, has been the biggest economic disaster in American history."
You need to broaden Your Horizons!

The "biggest economic disaster" has many, many contributors, such as leaving the "Gold Standard", Basing the Dollar upon a "Promise to Pay", "Printing the Dollar out of thin Air", "Lunatic Spending on programs that have absolutely No Benefit for America", & much more.
"The debt was less than $1trillion before 1980. The most prosperous time in America was between 1945- 1980."

I Agree about that "Debt", but,....I & many in my Area,..... Experienced far more "Prosperity" during the time when Ronald Reagan was POTUS.
"and during the height of social welfare to the poorest Americans."

That is very questionable.

Since America's "Churches & Synagogues" have spent the largest amount of their "Tithes", on their Minsters, & buildings,..... America has not, In My Belief,.... Truly experienced the physical aspects of "Love Your Brother".

If the Federal, & State Governments had not stepped in, & assumed that burden,...... America quite possibly may have been overtaken by those who suffering from Hunger, etc.,..... But again,.... Even the Welfare/Medicaid System has many that Abuse it.

last year, i paid in total taxes over $100,000 to income taxes and property taxes plus what ever amount in sales taxes. The rich always pays more that any other group, but those damn democrats, always find ways to exempt themselves from paying taxes, while owning 3 or more houses. If people would stop voting democrats, then taxes could be lower, more people would have to work, less welfare needed to be paid, and more tax revenues coming in from the additional workers. Also, mass deporting millions of diseased illegals who have gamed the system by having government fraud also would lower the need for more taxes. But democrats want to bankrupt the country so then they can turn this country into a 3rd world shithole, with them in charge.

Who pays more in taxes, this might help.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

last year, i paid in total taxes over $100,000 to income taxes and property taxes plus what ever amount in sales taxes. The rich always pays more that any other group, but those damn democrats, always find ways to exempt themselves from paying taxes, while owning 3 or more houses. If people would stop voting democrats, then taxes could be lower, more people would have to work, less welfare needed to be paid, and more tax revenues coming in from the additional workers. Also, mass deporting millions of diseased illegals who have gamed the system by having government fraud also would lower the need for more taxes. But democrats want to bankrupt the country so then they can turn this country into a 3rd world shithole, with them in charge.

Who pays more in taxes, this might help.

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Mike, I do not doubt, at this moment what You've paid. But,..... Over the years, I've built up a folder containing Data related to America's Economy, Our Dollar, the "Elites"/ Middle Class, & The Poor.

I have in that Folder Data showing how the "Elites", & Corporations have gotten by paying very little taxes, & One Prime example is how Trump has negotiated his way through that process, as well as Companies like Boeing.

I stand upon what I stated,..... America's Economic Problems squarely rest upon the shoulders of both the Democrats & Republicans

I do agree with You about the Illegal Immigrants! They should not be here, nor should they be receiving any of America's Wealth, other than a bottle of water, & a meal,..... Before they are forced to return to Mexico, by walking back across the border.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Got it, successful black people, are turncoats to their race, because they dared moved away from the plantation known as the democrat party.

How did you come up with that bullshit?

Explain what the Democrat plantation is.

 

[sartre play]

This problem has been brought about, & added to, by both The Democrats, & Republicans, and it has become so complicated, by the many Acts, &/or "Lack of Action, that the "BRICS Nations", as well as the growing number of Nations that wish to join with them,... will soon present to the World, an alternative to "Th' Dollar", that is actually backed by Gold & Commodities,..... Rather than a "Promise to Pay", & America's Military.

Ever since 9-11, both the Democrats, & Republicans , are Equally Guilty of systematically destroying the Dollar, & Our Economy.

Do not know if its equal, Both party,s work for party not country.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Do not know if its equal, Both party,s work for party not country.

Ah the typical story line. They both must be doing it, because democrats say so. President Trump gave up his salary so he can save the country from Biden's autopen fiasco. Yeah, establishment Republicans are almost as bad as Democrats, which is why President Trump is trying to primary them out of office.

 

[pknopp]

Rates are likely about to go up.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/central-banking/after-months-of-debating-rate-cuts-fed-shifts-toward-mapping-out-hikes-db850f74