Zone1 What would Jesus do about the GOP plan?

[citygator]

And it’s an idiotic premise. Render to Caesar.

Nothing in the Bible supports a free for all society without any cooperation.

 

[BULLDOG]

And it’s an idiotic premise. Render to Caesar.

I know you think that trite render unto Caesar remark absolves you of the Christian duty to show compassion for the sick and poor. It's an insult to Christianity to even imply that Jesus followers could sidestep his instruction so easily. Showing compassion includes assuring the government we elect show that same compassion. We can assure that by not supporting hateful greedy politicians who don't care about the sick and the poor. You should be ashamed of trying to use that render under Caesar dodge.

 

[mudwhistle]

James Talarico last week asked 4 simple questions to answer about what Jesus would do that are thought provoking. What are your thoughts on these answers?

1. What would Jesus do about a tax system that favors the rich over the poor?
2. What would Jesus do about a Healthcare system that forces the sick to start gofundme pages?
3. What would Jesus do about an Education system that tied a community’s education to it property wealth?
4. What would Jesus do about an Economic system that prioritizes profits over the health of our planet?

I don’t think he would approve of the GOP plan on any of those. What about you?

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars" - Jesus Christ

 

[citygator]

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars" - Jesus Christ

Yes. Jesus wants you to pay your taxes my brain surgeon friend. What Jesus didnt weigh in on directly is tax rates, but we can infer which structure he might prefer based on his teachings.

Luke 12:48​

“From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”

Mark 12:41–44​

“Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

2 Corinthians 8:13–15​

“Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need… as it is written: ‘The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.’”

 

[SweetSue92]

You missed the point of it. It isnt about peacocking around and acting better than everyone else. Its about not denying your faith because you are scared of the consequences.

How is me saying that Jesus Christ is God, came to die for our sins, and will come again...."peacocking around"? I believed and confessed. This seems to bother you a lot, and I get it: listing the ways you've been involved in church does not a Christian make. Plenty of people in churches are sadly not Christian. Also no one is born a Christian--you may be born into a Christian FAMILY, and that's great. But you only become a Christian when you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.

If you haven't, I really hope you will.

And again: Jesus would not adhere to all your political beliefs, nor mine. He is above politics. He is God.

 

[BULLDOG]

How is me saying that Jesus Christ is God, came to die for our sins, and will come again...."peacocking around"? I believed and confessed. This seems to bother you a lot, and I get it: listing the ways you've been involved in church does not a Christian make. Plenty of people in churches are sadly not Christian. Also no one is born a Christian--you may be born into a Christian FAMILY, and that's great. But you only become a Christian when you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.

If you haven't, I really hope you will.

And again: Jesus would not adhere to all your political beliefs, nor mine. He is above politics. He is God.

Ok, so where do you think Jesus would stand on using that silly render unto Caesar meme to justify ignoring the Christian responsibility to care for the poor and sick? Caring for the poor and sick includes casting our votes for our politicians who care for the poor and the sick.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes. Jesus wants you to pay your taxes my brain surgeon friend. What Jesus didnt weigh in on directly is tax rates, but we can infer which structure he might prefer based on his teachings.

Do you believe Jesus' mission was to come to teach us about preferred political positions, that we should center our lives around politics and what politicians are doing?

 

[BULLDOG]

How is me saying that Jesus Christ is God, came to die for our sins, and will come again...."peacocking around"? I believed and confessed. This seems to bother you a lot, and I get it: listing the ways you've been involved in church does not a Christian make. Plenty of people in churches are sadly not Christian. Also no one is born a Christian--you may be born into a Christian FAMILY, and that's great. But you only become a Christian when you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.

If you haven't, I really hope you will.

And again: Jesus would not adhere to all your political beliefs, nor mine. He is above politics. He is God.

And yet all those who claim Christianity as justification for supporting trump's un-Christlike programs, are quick to say God is on trump's side, and his opposition hates god.

 

[SweetSue92]

Ok, so where do you think Jesus would stand on using that silly render unto Caesar meme to justify ignoring the Christian responsibility to care for the poor and sick? Caring for the poor and sick includes casting our votes for our politicians who care for the poor and the sick.

He's not making a case for taxes to pay for this, that or the other. He's discouraging lawlessness. Not paying your taxes is against the law.

 

[SweetSue92]

And yet all those who claim Christianity as justification for supporting trump's un-Christlike programs, are quick to say God is on trump's side, and his opposition hates god.

It is a statistical fact that the Left is much more godless than the right. That's first. Second, I never said, nor would I ever, that "God is on Trump's side". God is God and far above politics.

 

[SweetSue92]

MAGA "Christians" have sold out their religion for politics. Who knows why. Maybe they got tired of waiting for Jesus to check back in.

Other MAGAs just use Christianity as an occasional weapon when it fits their political agenda.

But sincere Christians are horrified over what they're seeing. Understandable.

Mac can't even see that his TDS filter is so indelible now that he judges people's religious beliefs on whether they voted for Trump.

And now, like a true brain dead TDSer....he accuses US of the filter.

 

[ding]

Right. Geniuses know that there is zero room between a free for all society and a communist hardline regime. You are all over it Einstein. Shit.. no one practices communism anyway. They are all just authoritarian right wing governments masquerading as communist.

It seems to me that your belief that all schools should receive centralized funding is closer to communism than it is to the free market.

 

[ding]

Nothing in the Bible supports a free for all society without any cooperation.

Nothing in the Bible supports inserting religion into politics.

 

[ding]

I know you think that trite render unto Caesar remark absolves you of the Christian duty to show compassion for the sick and poor. It's an insult to Christianity to even imply that Jesus followers could sidestep his instruction so easily. Showing compassion includes assuring the government we elect show that same compassion. We can assure that by not supporting hateful greedy politicians who don't care about the sick and the poor. You should be ashamed of trying to use that render under Caesar dodge.

I think it’s idiotic to insert Jesus into politics. Especially when you don’t believe in Jesus.

 

[BULLDOG]

He's not making a case for taxes to pay for this, that or the other. He's discouraging lawlessness. Not paying your taxes is against the law.

So what are the limits on the duty of showing compassion? Are you excused from the obligation when it is as simple as supporting government that will show compassion?

 

[BULLDOG]

It is a statistical fact that the Left is much more godless than the right. That's first. Second, I never said, nor would I ever, that "God is on Trump's side". God is God and far above politics.

Yet that is a staple of the right wing cult. Are you going to pretend that isn't a common talking point?

 

[BULLDOG]

I think it’s idiotic to insert Jesus into politics. Especially when you don’t believe in Jesus.

It's not ridiculous to point out your hypocrisy, especially when your cult claims religion guides their decisions.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Not having people set up shop INSIDE of a church is not hte same as being a commie who would like to committ genocide on people who are slightly better farmers.

YOu commies are... very bad people.

He probably loved the idea of communism. He saw the evils of unfettered capitalism in person. Remember his teachings about the wealthy and the beggar Lazarus?

 

[Correll]

He probably loved the idea of communism. He saw the evils of unfettered capitalism in person. Remember his teachings about the wealthy and the beggar Lazarus?

1. Imperialism is not capitalism. You are a fool.

2. I note that you did not address my point about how communism likes to genocide better farmers. That is an uncomfortable truth for you, isn't it, commie?

 

[Meriweather]

It's not ridiculous to point out your hypocrisy, especially when your cult claims religion guides their decisions.

Supporting those in need is also done through the Church. The difference is the government grabs from me under threat of fines and imprisonment while my hands give to church charities and missions. And with the church, more goes directly to those in need without also lining the pockets of bureaucrats along the way. Think about the $9 million that vanished in New York, the $24 billion that evaporated in California--all in the name of helping the poor.