Zone1 What would Jesus do about the GOP plan?

[hobelim]

And you have to invent all kinds of imaginary stuff to deny that Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh.

No. I don't have to invent anything.

You just need your blindness cured. Should I spit in your eyes before you learn to use your own mind in a rational way to perceive "see" what Jesus meant in the only way that does not make him out to be completely insane?

"The Word became flesh" is not about God becoming human. From the beginning the existing metaphor for the WORD of God was bread from heaven, manna, the food of angels. The WORD became the flesh of Jesus just means that flesh became a new metaphor for the Word of God, divine instruction, that is more satisfying than bread alone. "The flesh" of Jesus is "the teaching" that the law is not to be taken literally as in kosher law where the flesh of one animal or another represents the teaching of people who act like the described animals, clean or unclean. The subject of kosher law is not about food that you eat and flush down the toilet. Jesus clearly said so.

If you do not eat his flesh, this teaching, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law's demands in you.

 

[hadit]

No. I don't have to invent anything.

You just need your blindness cured. Should I spit in your eyes before you learn to use your own mind in a rational way to perceive "see" what Jesus meant in the only way that does not make him out to be completely insane?

"The Word became flesh" is not about God becoming human. From the beginning the existing metaphor for the WORD of God was bread from heaven, manna, the food of angels. The WORD became the flesh of Jesus just means that flesh became a new metaphor for the Word of God, divine instruction, that is more satisfying than bread alone. "The flesh" of Jesus is "the teaching" that the law is not to be taken literally as in kosher law where the flesh of one animal or another represents the teaching of people who act like the described animals, clean or unclean. The subject of kosher law is not about food that you eat and flush down the toilet. Jesus clearly said so.

If you do not eat his flesh, this teaching, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law's demands in you.

Like I said, inventing things that are not there.

 

[hobelim]

Like I said, inventing things that are not there.

Says the guy who claims to believe Jesus only resurrected one dead person, which scripture refutes, and that a dead body literally decomposing for four days came out of a tomb because Jesus called to him to come out.

What you fail to realize is that without adding subtracting or changing a single word crazy me has provided a rational explanation that conforms to reality and the established religious practices of the time which Jesus refuted by comparing pharisaic beliefs and practices, the traditions of men, to a whitewashed tomb full of corruption and dead mens bones which literally has nothing to do with a tomb, decay, or the bones of dead men.

You have allowed Satan to enter your mind to perpetuate blasphemous lies and so you have your reward already. Death, a curse, and descent into hell, the realm of the dead. So relax. You can maintain your irrational delusions for the rest of your days "believing" you are saved, not accursed, and also "believing" unbelievers are damned, going to hell. So the rest of your time on earth burning in hell won't be any worse than your life has always been.

My God isn't a sadistic meanie. Enjoy!


Immortality, eternal life, isn't for everyone.

Thats the truth.

 

[hadit]

Says the guy who claims to believe Jesus only resurrected one dead person, which scripture refutes, and that a dead body literally decomposing for four days came out of a tomb because Jesus said to come out.

He literally did. The fact that you cannot accept it happening is irrelevant.

What you fail to realize is that without adding subtracting or changing a single word I have given a rational explanation that conforms to reality and the established religious practices of the time which Jesus refuted by comparing pharisaic beliefs and practices, the traditions of men, to a whitewashed tomb full of corruption and dead mens bones which literally has nothing to do with a tomb, decay, or the bones of dead men.

Actually, in order to maintain your belief, you have to continually say, "He really meant this, not what He literally said", and "nothing in the Bible is literal, we can just make up our own belief about what it says".

You have allowed Satan to enter your mind to perpetuate blasphemous lies and so you have your reward already. Death, a curse, and descent into hell, the realm of the dead.

Ah, yes, the old, "It doesn't matter what the Bible says, you're wrong and I'm right" gambit when your argument falls completely apart.

So relax. You can maintain your irrational delusions for the rest of your days "believing" you are saved, not accursed, and also "believing" unbelievers are damned, going to hell, so the rest of your time flailing about in hell won't be any worse than your life has always been.

My God isn't a sadistic meanie.

Mine isn't either. No one enters hell who does not choose to reject God.

Immortality, eternal life, isn't for everyone.

Thats the truth.

Eternal life IS for everyone, the question is where it's spent.

 

[hobelim]

Eternal life IS for everyone, the question is where it's spent.

Wrong.

There is no place of eternal torment except for those who have defied the law of God on earth. When you maintain ridiculous beliefs that are contradicted by reality day and night reality is hell, a fire that will never go out.

Hell is the only warning that you'll ever get that you're on the road that leads to destruction, not eternal torment.

 

[hadit]

Wrong.

There is no place of eternal torment except for those who have defied the law of God on earth. When you maintain ridiculous beliefs that are contradicted by reality day and night reality is hell, a fire that will never go out.

Hell is the only warning that you'll ever get that you're on the road that leads to destruction, not eternal torment.

Hell is simply the total absence of God. It doesn't matter if it's deliberate torture or not, it's the total absence of all things God, such as peace, joy, love, justice, caring, etc. There is no basic kindness or goodness at all, and here's the kicker. This life is the closest I'll ever get to experiencing that. My faith is not contingent on your approval.

 

[hobelim]

Hell is simply the total absence of God. It doesn't matter if it's deliberate torture or not, it's the total absence of all things God, such as peace, joy, love, justice, caring, etc. There is no basic kindness or goodness at all, and here's the kicker. This life is the closest I'll ever get to experiencing that. My faith is not contingent on your approval.

Thats what you have been told, what you have learned by rote. You have confused faith with obstinate stupidity.

Rising from the dead is as easy or as difficult as it is for anyone to be honest with themselves and others.

Lazarus was literally decaying for 4 days until Jesus said come out of your tomb? Pft. To profess to believe that you have to ignore literally everything you already know to be true about literature, science, biology, and reality.

That must be exhausting. You do have my condolences.

Faithless coward.

Remember. No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord.

ITS THE LAW!

 

[hadit]

Thats what you have been told, what you have learned by rote. You have confused faith with obstinate stupidity.

Rising from the dead is as easy or as difficult as it is for anyone to be honest with themselves and others.

Lazarus was literally decaying for 4 days until Jesus said come out of your tomb? Pft. To profess to believe that you have to ignore literally everything you already know to be true about literature, science, biology, and reality.

That must be exhausting. You do have my condolences.

Faithless coward.

And therein lies your downfall. You mock and denigrate that which you do not understand and with which you have no experience. Because you cannot raise someone from the dead, you think no one can, even the one who created you and sustains your life in the first place. Because you cannot conceive of the anything above and beyond that which you can comprehend, you simply refuse to believe it can possibly exist. That is a very small, yet extremely arrogant mind indeed. You are basically saying that God has to be a being small enough that you can comprehend Him, which or course would mean He's not God.

Remember. No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord.

ITS THE LAW!

Is that why you do the whole sour grapes thing, because you have denied yourself access to all that God has to give?

 

[hobelim]

Scripture and verse please.

"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will be healed.”

"Therefore anyone who sets aside even the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven." To understand what Jesus meant by saying least, and to understand the will of God when Jesus said "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" see genesis 3:14

 

[hobelim]

And therein lies your downfall. You mock and denigrate that which you do not understand and with which you have no experience. Because you cannot raise someone from the dead, you think no one can, even the one who created you and sustains your life in the first place. Because you cannot conceive of the anything above and beyond that which you can comprehend, you simply refuse to believe it can possibly exist. That is a very small, yet extremely arrogant mind indeed.

God has given people a choice between a blessing or a curse, life or death. I have chosen life and so I live. You have chosen death and so you pretend to believe in extremely ridiculous things that are contradicted by reality.

I'm satisfied.

You are basically saying that God has to be a being small enough that you can comprehend Him, which or course would mean He's not God.

No.

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, my thoughts higher than your thoughts"

I am saying that you have to ascend into heaven, the realm of God, to "see him" face to face, which is not about seeing a face. In the same exact way Jesus meant by saying if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

Which was not a claim of being God.

 

[hadit]

God has given people a choice between a blessing or a curse, life or death. I have chosen life and so I live. You have chosen death and so you believe in ridiculous things that are contradicted by reality. I'm satisfied.

Yes, you continue inventing new ways to twist the plain meaning of the Bible into something unrecognizable to maintain your fiction that the supernatural doesn't exist.

No.

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, my thoughts higher than your thoughts"

And God remains far outside our comprehension and understanding, which is why it's pathetic to see you scramble to explain away the supernatural miracles Jesus did.

I am saying that you have to ascend into heaven, the realm of God, to "see him" face to face, which is not about seeing a face. In the same way Jesus meant by saying if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

Which you have not done, so you continue to claim God cannot work supernaturally. Why are you not attempting to rewrite that Scripture so you can claim you understand all of God's thoughts?

Which BTW was not a claim of being God.

There are plenty of places where Jesus made it clear He was God. His fellow Jews understood exactly what He meant and tried to kill Him because of it. Of course, you don't think they actually tried to kill Him, they just looked sideways at Him because they didn't understand what He was saying or some such nonsense.

 

[hobelim]

Yes, you continue inventing new ways to twist the plain meaning of the Bible into something unrecognizable to maintain your fiction that the supernatural doesn't exist.

And God remains far outside our comprehension and understanding, which is why it's pathetic to see you scramble to explain away the supernatural miracles Jesus did.

Which you have not done, so you continue to claim God cannot work supernaturally. Why are you not attempting to rewrite that Scripture so you can claim you understand all of God's thoughts?

Thanks for proving my points. That astonishing display of ignorance is priceless.

 

[hobelim]

There are plenty of places where Jesus made it clear He was God. His fellow Jews understood exactly what He meant and tried to kill Him because of it. Of course, you don't think they actually tried to kill Him, they just looked sideways at Him because they didn't understand what He was saying or some such nonsense.

Sure. Many people wanted to discredit or kill Jesus for exposing them as actors and lying frauds, narcissists, talking serpents, disrupting the status quo of fleecing the general population deliberately blinded at birth so they could live on easy street while everyone else suffered, and because the religious elite thought he was a traitor by revealing the secrets of the kingdom of God, the secret meaning of the law, which was deliberately being withheld by a few from all, even the Jewish laity, as can bee seen in the Dead Sea Scroll manual of discipline.



On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.



The last thing a shuckster wants at the market is a Jesus going around opening the eyes of the blind, their marks.

Thats why the "authorities" exclaimed, "where did he get this teaching!" not because it was revolutionary or unknown but because it was supposed to be kept secret especially from "froward men of ill repute" like Jesus.

And thats why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel. They put it on the lamp stand so everyone in the room can see" He saw the meaning of the law being kept secret as a brazen violation of a direct command of God for the law to be "a light to the nations", for everyone, including the despised Romans.

Capisci stronzo? ¿Entiendes idiota? Pазумеш, кретену? Tu comprends, connard ? Tuigeann tú an t-amadán? Anladın mı pislik? 明白嗎混蛋？Skilurðu fáviti? Verstehst du, Arschloch? 알겠지, 멍청아? Capisci, stronzu? Damn.

 

[Papageorgio]

"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will be healed.”

"Therefore anyone who sets aside even the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven." To understand what Jesus meant by saying least, and to understand the will of God when Jesus said "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" see genesis 3:14

Can you please and the book and verse, thanks.

 

[hobelim]

Can you please and the book and verse, thanks.

Sure, Mark, chapter 16, verse 17. You're welcome.

Casting out devils, who beguile the gullible, from their lofty positions is the express will of God. See Gen 3:14. People often wonder why God lets evil scumbags control things and I'm sure God wonders why people allow it.

It's not for God to do for people what God expects people to do for themselves. You know how. Its no mystery. How hard is it to tell a brazen deceitful narcissistic money grubbing religious or political con artist to **** off?

You want the world to become a better place?

Just do it.