What is freedom "from" religion anyway?

[manifold]

We have another ignorant assclown in our midst playing the same tired old bullshit melody that we have freedom of religion, but not freedom from religion.

But don't let me bias your views.

Can somebody tell me what freedom "from" religion means and how it differs from freedom "of" religion?

I just make one simple request beforehand: Please do not submit a definition of freedom "from" religion that violates another person's freedom "of" religion. Because that's not a freedom at all, it's a bullshit strawman argument.

Go.

 

[WillowTree]

freedom from religion... HELL.

 

[uscitizen]

hmm I will try.


Freedom from religion means non discrimination of those who believe in a different religion than you do or even no religion at all.
Just try letting a prospective employer in the south know you are an atheist.

Or it could be not being allowed to open a certain kind of business because of zoning regulations dealing with proximity to a church.

Or it could be having your tax dollars go to providing services to tax exempt churches.

Or having religious morals leglislated by our government. No alcohol sales on sunday for one. I think most of the Blue laws are finally done for staying closed on sunday for other businesses.

 

[manifold]

hmm I will try.


Freedom from religion means non discrimination of those who believe in a different religion than you do or even no religion at all.
Just try letting a prospective employer in the south know you are an atheist.

So it basically means the same thing as freedom of religion.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Freedom from religion - having the freedom of choice to give up 'formal' religion while still having a relationship (or not) with God.

Freedom of religion - having the freedom of choice of being able to partake in any religion you want.

 

[manifold]

Freedom from religion - having the freedom of choice to give up 'formal' religion while still having a relationship (or not) with God.

Interesting take. But of course as you define it, I'm pretty sure that's covered by the 1st Amendment.

The ignorant assclown that inspired this question claims we don't have a constitutional right to freedom from religion.

 

[uscitizen]

hmm I will try.


Freedom from religion means non discrimination of those who believe in a different religion than you do or even no religion at all.
Just try letting a prospective employer in the south know you are an atheist.

So it basically means the same thing as freedom of religion.

Nope it would be being exempt from religious morals based laws.
Or descriminination because of no religion.

 

[Thinman]

It means nothing. Freedom from _________, plug in anything you want, insurance, junk mail, fast food, whatever. Someone might say, "I have freedom from religion because I am an atheist." or, "I have freedom from religion because the government can't mandate religion."

It's just a choice.

 

[bodecea]

We have another ignorant assclown in our midst playing the same tired old bullshit melody that we have freedom of religion, but not freedom from religion.

But don't let me bias your views.

Can somebody tell me what freedom "from" religion means and how it differs from freedom "of" religion?

I just make one simple request beforehand: Please do not submit a definition of freedom "from" religion that violates another person's freedom "of" religion. Because that's not a freedom at all, it's a bullshit strawman argument.

Go.

My tax money doesn't go to support some religion display, ceremony, etc.

 

[nospamsam]

That is something that is promised within the constitution until the government amends it. You or I can not amend it however only those chosen by the people can. We are just minor inconveniences that pay tax for the chosen to piss away.

Well lets see, freedom from religion means that I will not be forced to adhere to someone else's beliefs if I do not subscribe to their way of thinking. Simple really You believe what you want and I am free to do the same and the government will stay out of it..

Freedom of religion means you and I are both free to believe what we want and the government will not intervene either way..

 

[manifold]

Consider the actual text of the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Neither the phrase "Freedom of religion" nor "Freedom from religion" is contained in the text.

 

[Political Junky]

We have another ignorant assclown in our midst playing the same tired old bullshit melody that we have freedom of religion, but not freedom from religion.

But don't let me bias your views.

Can somebody tell me what freedom "from" religion means and how it differs from freedom "of" religion?

I just make one simple request beforehand: Please do not submit a definition of freedom "from" religion that violates another person's freedom "of" religion. Because that's not a freedom at all, it's a bullshit strawman argument.

Go.

My tax money doesn't go to support some religion display, ceremony, etc.

 

[Valerie]

I think people confuse the separation of Church and State to mean that public schools and public property should be free FROM all things religious.

Congress shall make no laws "respecting an establishment of religion" or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

 

[uscitizen]

Consider the actual text of the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Neither the phrase "Freedom of religion" nor "Freedom from religion" is contained in the text.

Ahh yes but they already violated this part.

Banning multiple wives alone blows that out of the water.

How many wives did some of the dudes in the bible have?

 

[Si modo]

Consider the actual text of the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Neither the phrase "Freedom of religion" nor "Freedom from religion" is contained in the text.

Exactly, yet one's right to freely exercise their own religion is guaranteed.

 

[manifold]

Consider the actual text of the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Neither the phrase "Freedom of religion" nor "Freedom from religion" is contained in the text.

Exactly, yet one's right to freely exercise their own religion is guaranteed.

Or exercise no religion at all, right?

 

[nospamsam]

Religion in the original Constitution

Religion makes only one direct and obvious appearance in the original Constitution that seems to point to a desire for some degree of religious freedom. That appearance is in Article 6, at the end of the third clause:

[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

This statement is simple and straight-forward, and applies to all offices in the entire United States, both state and federal. The clause simply means that no public position can be required to be held by any one of any religious denomination. It would be unconstitutional for there to be a requirement that the President by Lutheran, or even for the mayor of a small town to be Christian. Likewise, it would be unconstitutional for a law to forbid a Jew or Muslim from holding any office in any governmental jurisdiction in the United States.

 

[ihopehefails]

I tend to think that "freedom from religion" is the right to pursue your own life based on your own ethical standards. The left complains about so-called laws based on religion such as abortion since only christians believe that is immoral but I also think that socialism is a kind of political religion that has reserved the right to be the sole moral standard of society. They say it is "immoral" for the rich to be so rich yet, just like the christians they accuse, they seek to encode their morality into law such as the progessive income tax or political correctness.

I think we should declare our right to free ourselves of their religion just like anyone can free themselves of anyone else's religion.

 

[Si modo]

Consider the actual text of the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Neither the phrase "Freedom of religion" nor "Freedom from religion" is contained in the text.

Exactly, yet one's right to freely exercise their own religion is guaranteed.

Or exercise no religion at all, right?

If that's their individual choice, absolutely.

 

[Ravi]

Consider the actual text of the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Neither the phrase "Freedom of religion" nor "Freedom from religion" is contained in the text.

So why do churches have to follow labor laws?