Takeaway from the Presidential and VP debates

[JoeMoma]

Walz should had been asked if he believes boys can have periods......and I am not talking about puncuation.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I like to hear from International sources and I did collect a couple of key ones which reflect the general sentiment. One astute comment on youtube really had me thinking about the debate and broader geopolitical events.

They said, I paraphrase "with the Axis of evil built the way they are, Iran and N Korea don't act without speaking to China first. Russia even gives notice before they attacked Ukraine, promising to time it after the Beijing Olympics, not during. If so, China coincidentally green lit an attack on Israel on the same day the world gets to finally hear from Walz. The guy who was in China very often and even nervously blushed on stage in the debate when talking about his apparent misremembering. They knew the timing of this attack would decrease the focus on this, Walz, and of course, any potential relationship with China".

This person amalgamated my different assertions in one post though he went further by suggesting a Manchurian Candidate of sorts.

Also, on Times Radio, a British youtube site which has for months been against Trump, since Harris has become the nominee there has been a sharp decrease in complaints against Trump and far more criticism of Harris and the weakness of the U.S. This continued after the debate.

As one lady said after declaring that American leadership looks very weak to the world today, "I put a list together of the two things America cannot allow to happen in order to avoid a major war, and they were in order 1. dont let Israel invade Lebanon on the ground 2. dont let Iran attack Israel with missiles. Well, here we are".

I look forward to four years of Harris/Walz. I do say that defeating Trump would help the Neo-Cons greatly. First, it would decrease the impact people like Vivek will have on the future of U.S policies as if Trump loses half of the country is going to tune out. Dejected, defeated and uninterested for at least the mid terms.

It also would decrease those looking to avoid wars and bring back manufacturing and essentially confirm that "America First" is not in the Establishments objectives and being the second or third most important country going forward in the future is ok with them as long as they remain in the top caste.

The scenarios for China are endless with a Harris win, they could attack Taiwan within a year, or, stay on their course for a 2027 attack and be confident in both cases that Americas influence is waning enough that the pushback will be less impactful.


Most didn't see a big difference maker in either debate, though they were both finally seen by the public in a format.

 

[BlindBoo]

Why did you kids shut down the Keystone pipeline, for example?

The Keystone pipeline is still fully operational and the kids never shut it down. A foreign pipeline importing foreign has no effect on US production.

And your war on fossil fuels, anything to say about that?

President Obama set us on the path to energy independence. President Biden has vastly increase the amount of renewable energy we produce, on top of being the largest producer of petroleum products of the world.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Billiejeens]

Destroyed that bitch -

 

[Billiejeens]

The Keystone pipeline is still fully operational and the kids never shut it down. A foreign pipeline importing foreign has no effect on US production.


President Obama set us on the way to energy independence. President Biden has vastly increase the amount of renewable energy we produce, on top of being the largest producer of petroleum products of the world.

How do you not drown in that level of Kool-Aid?

 

[Oddball]

Destroyed that bitch -

 

[BlindBoo]

How do you not drown in that level of Kool-Aid?

Under GWB we were producing around 5 mbd at the end of his terms. At the end of Obama's Terms we had increase production to about 9 mbd.

Weekly U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)

www.eia.gov

Renewable energy production and consumption both reached record highs in 2023: production was about 9% (8.43 quads) of total primary energy production and consumption was about 9% (8.24 quads) of total primary energy consumption. The increases in recent years have been driven mainly by large increases in solar and wind energy production.

U.S. energy facts explained - consumption and production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

U.S. energy supply by types of energy sources and energy consumption by transportation, industrial, commercial, residential, and electric power sectors.

www.eia.gov

 

[sartre play]

Thought it was pretty close too Even,
NEGATIVES for VANCE, Talked to fast, When asked a direct question refused to answer and tap danced around it. told a few un- truths

NEGATIVES for WALZ, Except areas he felt strongly about, he really could not seem to focus, thrown off by personal negatives. and WAY to much note taking.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Lefties, just admit Walz lied about his stance on abortion as well as the Minnesota law on abortion.

If I am the one lying, prove me wrong.

I cited and posted a link to the actual text of the Minnesota law as well as a Yahoo news article on the law.

LAST NIGHT WALZ LIED. WHY DID HE LIE?

 

[Billiejeens]

Lefties, just admit Walz lied about his stance on abortion as well as the Minnesota law on abortion.

If I am the one lying, prove me wrong.

I cited and posted a link to the actual text of the Minnesota law as well as a Yahoo news article on the law.

LAST NIGHT WALZ LIED. WHY DID HE LIE?

BREAKING:

Democrats lie
All the time
About everything

Even when the truth would come off as fine
They still lie out of habit

 

[BlindBoo]

If I am the one lying, prove me wrong.

K

Here’s the old statute:

A born alive infant as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person, and accorded immediate protection under the law. All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation of appropriate medical records, shall be taken by the responsible medical personnel to preserve the life and health of the born alive infant.

It was changed to this:

An infant who is born alive shall be fully recognized as a human person, and accorded immediate protection under the law. All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation of appropriate medical records, shall be taken by the responsible medical personnel to care for the infant who is born alive.

Anti-abortion activists are fixated on the word “preserve” being changed to “care.” Nevermind that the statute still says the infant “shall be fully recognized as a human person,” which makes killing the child illegal.

The problem with the previous law was that it could be read to require extraordinary measures that would temporarily “preserve” the child’s life while exacerbating his suffering before his inevitable death.

This Minnesota mom detests Trump's lies about abortion • Minnesota Reformer

This scenario is vanishingly rare, and when it does occur, it’s a tragedy to be mourned, not a spectacle to be ghoulishly exploited.

minnesotareformer.com

Not to mention the Federal law per the "Infant Born Alive Act of 2002" passed by unanimous consent and signed by GWB over two decades ago.

 

[Independent thinker]

1. Without a doubt, JD Vance is the most gifted debater of the 4 candidates, not even close. Winning a debate does not necessarily make you the better President or right about your policies, but it certainly helps. JD finally got to challenge the continual media narrative that he a horrible VP choice and flushed them all down the commode. He was articulate, knowledgeable, kept his cool, and was a gentleman. You might say that he broke his cool when he tried to talk over the commentator, but the commentator broke her own rule by fact checking JD, something they all agreed not to do this go round but did anyway. She had it coming. JD showed the world he was not a push over and is a fighter and will refuse to bet walked on.

2. The media is horrific. The commentators in both debates only fact checked Trump and JD Vance and seemed oblivious to the lies from Kamala and Tampon Tim. They even agreed to not fact check the VP debate but broke their own rules anyway and did just that. Everyone sees their bias, but does anyone care? And the line of questioning also suffers as a result. Questions that were asked were asked to only help the DNC candidates. Israel had just been bombarded by Iran with the world on the brink of WW3, and the commentators sat there obsessing about abortion rights. And in both debates, the commentators pretended that America's biggest adversary in the world, which is China, does not really exist. No, the biggest adversary for the US it seems is really Orange man it seems. It is troubling that in neither debate was China brought up about anything, presumably because China basically owns both networks. Other topics not touched, like the national debt, were ignored as well. But the most glaring questions that were not asked was about the Covid crisis, which basically was the root of much of our economic woes today. It forever divided the country in various ways and ignored many voters concerns about the Constitutionality of taking away First Amendment rights all in the name of safety.

3. How the Covid Crisis was handled should have been one of the main topics of both debates. It is as if all the abuses Americans suffered from the government never happened, or if they did, they all came from only Trump as Trump personally caused any deaths that happened during Covid, which was another favorite media narrative during that time. The media held Trump personally responsible for Covid, despite the fact that many more died under Biden than Trump. They also ignored the fact that Trump tried to shut down travel to and from China and got called Xenophobic by people like Biden for doing so, but later was shown to be justified for wanting to do so. But the Covid crisis was basically botched by the Left as they became too restrictive, which is why the commentator steered clear of any questions about the horrific event. The DNC not allowing freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and freedom of religion, all in the name of public safety are all glaring reminders of why the DNC remains the biggest threat to democracy and freedom. People lost their businesses form the government mandated shutdowns without any compensation. People lost their jobs because they refused to get a mandatory vaccine, and people died from the mandatory vaccine at times, again without any compensation from the government and no ability to sue the manufacturer. Then when they went on Facebook to tell the world they lost their loved one from a government mandated vaccine, they got censored and kicked off social media. But at the same time, these same policy makers were all shown to be hypocrites as they ate at restaurants they closed down to the public, or had their hair done at salons they closed down to the public, or had parties as they assembled groups of people to party while forcing those they represent to isolate at home, etc. And how about the medical community telling dying patients they could not see their family members as they passed from this world as they died alone gasping for air to breath? Classy, eh? And shutting down the economy will impact the world economy from here on out and is one of the chief driving forces of inflation today, yet not a word about it. Tampon Tim was one of the most restrictive governors during this time, shutting down public education longer and trying to enforce more draconian rules and regulations to try and control the spread of it. Yea, that would not have been good for Tim to have to defend.

4. I am almost to the point in saying Presidential debates need to end for future races. The first debate we learned basically nothing about Kamala's positions on pretty much anything, as she was allowed to dodge questions by not having them asked about her controversial left winged positions from the past, like sponsoring a $93 trillion Green New Deal legislation with Bernie Sanders she once wanted past, yet not a word about it. However, it gives me pause when considering that the only way the world was going to learn how infirm Joe Biden was, was to force him out on that stage to be humiliated in front of the world because we could all see how bad he really was as Kamala and company sang his praises about being fit to be President up until that point. Also, if there were no debates, JD could not sell himself politically to a world consumed by the Left-wing media that attacks him and his party 24/7 as they control the narratives on pretty much every topic out there. Without JD being thrust onto the world state like that, there would be no way for people to know who he is or what he stands for, because the media certainly won't tell them.

I knew that one of the most important qualifications Trump had in selecting a VP was to find someone who could shove it right back into the faces of the media when needed. He had several good ones to choose from.

 

[MisterBeale]

Destroyed that bitch -

Yeah, that tracks with their behavior since the global technocrats shoe-horned in their "New Normal," and "Build back better," bullshit.

Nothing new. Authoritarians are always gonna tell you what you need to think and bleev, and will not broker reality checks, free speech, and new ideas.

They all hate free speech and truth.

 

[MisterBeale]

Depends on the subjective opinion of what constitutes a "better man". Lying his butt off disqualifies his slick appearance imo.

Nope, it just enhanced my opinion of the whole thing, TBH.

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