I have a question for a person who is Pro-Life

[zaangalewa]

I have a serious question for someone who is of the belief that abortion is wrong because actual life begins at conception.

I am not judging sides and my own personal view is unimportant. Also, my question is not meant to be facetious -- I really have worked through the moral implications mentioned here, so I ask anyone who is truly and sincerely pro-life to please give me a few seconds, consider what I am asking and help me understand your position in this regard:

As you feel that life begins at conception, and the fetus needs protections on the level of any other human being against harm and not just death, would you accept the notion that alcohol, excessive sugary foods and smoking should be criminalized for pregnant women as they lead to fetal damage?

Yes and no. Alcohol is the only real serios problem but addiction-driven so it could be impossible for the mother not to drink alcohol.

Can a woman who is pro-life be ethically consistent and yet smoke during pregnancy?

No. But also to smoke is addiction-driven and so it could be imposisble for the mother to let it be to smoke.

As an extension, should any behavior the woman exhibits be considered as if she was holding a 1 year old in her arms so that a charge of child endangerment could be sustained if the woman acts in a reckless way which might endanger the fetus?

If a mother is not able to care for her baby others will have to help her. In general: It takes a whole village to raise a child.

These are serious questions which, to my mind are logical continuations of the idea that the fetus needs protections as a person.

Thanks in advance for thoughtful answers.

 

[rosends]

Yes.

Smoking around actual children also harms their health in some way, but this is not illegal. Therefore, pregnant women can smoke.

No one said the unborn should be protected from all harms. We are merely saying we shouldn't murder them. You are trying to think of an absurd situation to make our position look unreasonable.

I am not trying to do anything other than understand. If you were to constantly blow cigarette smoke at an infant, someone might object. Why not afford the same concern for a fetus?

 

[ding]

In my opinion the moral choice respects life. And if it is necessary to save/protect one life by taking another, it should be done respectfully and with the full understanding that a human life is being ended.

Ahhh... so the moral choice - if one is to abort their baby - is to recognize it for what it is?

Ok, that's certainly more moral than not recognizing it for what it is.

 

[Foxfyre]

Ahhh... so the moral choice - if one is to abort their baby - is to recognize it for what it is?

Ok, that's certainly more moral than not recognizing it for what it is.

That isn't what I said and you know it. But have a lovely evening.

 

[ding]

That isn't what I said and you know it. But have a lovely evening.

I don't think even you know what you said. I'm still trying to figure out how abortion can ever be a moral choice - which is what you implied - because I don't believe it can be.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't think even you know what you said. I'm still trying to figure out how abortion can ever be a moral choice - which is what you implied - because I don't believe it can be.

I don't think even you know what you said. I'm still trying to figure out how abortion can ever be a moral choice - which is what you implied - because I don't believe it can be.

Life isn't fair. And fanatics are unable to understand anything other than what they want to believe. So have a great day. We aren't going to agree on this one.

 

[ding]

Life isn't fair. And fanatics are unable to understand anything other than what they want to believe. So have a great day. We aren't going to agree on this one.

I agree that life isn't fair and we should expect to make sacrifices. If you are arguing that abortion can be moral, I agree that we won't be agreeing. It's not. No way, no how.

 

[ding]

I am not trying to do anything other than understand. If you were to constantly blow cigarette smoke at an infant, someone might object. Why not afford the same concern for a fetus?

It's not an either or situation. Two different things. Each stands on it's own.

 

[rosends]

It's not an either or situation. Two different things. Each stands on it's own.

Great. Explain the distinction.

 

[ding]

Great. Explain the distinction.

I already did.

Here

and here

and here

and here

 

[rosends]

I already did.

Here

and here

and here

and here

So maybe the problem is that you don't understand what I am asking. You referenced 4 posts in which you asserted the same claim. None of them actually shows how one would distinguish, logically or legally between the cases that you say are distinct.

So to help you clarify, instead of claiming that the line exists separating the cases, please explain how and why a line is drawn, and at what point you would draw that line and why.

 

[ding]

So maybe the problem is that you don't understand what I am asking. You referenced 4 posts in which you asserted the same claim. None of them actually shows how one would distinguish, logically or legally between the cases that you say are distinct.

So to help you clarify, instead of claiming that the line exists separating the cases, please explain how and why a line is drawn, and at what point you would draw that line and why.

It was explained very clearly. Maybe you don't want to see it because you created a disingenuous proposition.

 

[rosends]

It was explained very clearly. Maybe you don't want to see it because you created a disingenuous proposition.

No, nothing was explained. That you don't understand what is being asked is not surprising.

 

[ding]

No, nothing was explained. That you don't understand what is being asked is not surprising.

I'm happy to let the record speak for itself.

 

[rosends]

I'm happy to let the record speak for itself.

Great, it does

The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud

Jesus in the Talmud.

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[ding]

Great, it does

The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud

Jesus in the Talmud.

www.angelfire.com

#winning

 

[rosends]

#winning

So you didn't read it I guess. If you had you would see that it proves that you are completely wrong. That you added that hashtag just means you didn't look.

 

[ding]

So you didn't read it I guess. If you had you would see that it proves that you are completely wrong. That you added that hashtag just means you didn't look.

Didn't need to. Your changinging subjects in midstream won it for me. Do you even know what we are discussing in this thread?

 

[rosends]

Didn't need to. Your changinging subjects in midstream won it for me. Do you even know what we are discussing in this thread?

So you admit you didn't read it. Perfect, thanks.

 

[ding]

So you admit you didn't read it. Perfect, thanks.

It had absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing here, dummy. Follow the thread maybe?