Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[Divine Wind]

A study was done that showed that 1 in 5 people will kill a stranger if hypnotized to do it.

A person can't be hypnotized to do something they don't want to do.

Common Hypnosis Myths | M1 Psychology

What are the common hypnosis myths? Clinical Psychologist Dr Alistair Campbell explains how hypnosis can be a powerful tool in therapy.

m1psychology.com

• All hypnosis is self hypnosis. Yes, really. It may look like people are being “forced” into trance states but, actually, a person being hypnotised is being invited to utilise something that already exists in them (and in most people) – the capacity for trance. Trance is a common experience in all cultures around the world and throughout history. It simply means the capacity to suspend immediate reality testing and go with the flow of experiencing. You can’t be made to do that. You have to make a choice, largely a conscious one, to allow your mind to do something different.

 

[Divine Wind]

Having studied christanity all my life plus perhaps 5-6 other religious disciplines and having even gone to school for it having studied under a fully-realized bona fide holy man, I would not seriously disagree with that assessment.

God is the creative energy behind all of creation, and every quality that exists in the phenomenal world is but a finite portion of a quality which God holds in infinite quantity.

Which inevitably leads to the question always asked: "If there is a God, then why does he permit such evil, suffering and all in the world?" To which the simple answer is that God gives man free will, that is our dominion over the other living things, and all of this suffering and evil we see is not permitted by God but permitted by man, evil, darkness and suffering are the inevitable results of what happens when man parts ways with God's will.

Agreed. This is all temporary and we're free to make our own choices while here.

 

[Divine Wind]

Then I guess a lot of people must be willing and eager to murder, given have the chance or excuse.

True, but since about the same percentage of people have some level of mental illness, their moral compass may be broken.

It's why Jesus advised us to not judge others since we don't know if they are in complete control of their faculties or not. That's not to say we shouldn't stop people from harming others or following the laws of society.

 

[rylah]

Adam ate the fruit of the tree, which Eve shoved in his face.
I don't see how it could be clearer.

That's a nice anecdote about what the text doesn't say.

Thus only Eve is explicitly said to eat of the fruit.
Can you find a single verse mentioning Adam
eating anything but "of the tree?"

 

[The Irish Ram]

all Trump supporters are mammon-worshipers and, therefore, have turned away from God

We vote for politicians. We don't serve them, they serve us. I didn't close the border, I voted for the politician who said he would close the border.
You Harris whores need to get over your defeat, while God protects our President from your assassins.

Thou shalt not kill is God's idea. Murder is yours...

 

[rylah]

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[Woodznutz]

That's a nice anecdote about what the text doesn't say.

Thus only Eve is explicitly said to eat of the fruit.
Can you find a single verse mentioning Adam
eating anything but "of the tree?"

This is all I've got.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 9:6

 

[toobfreak]

How do you answer the question why does God allow physical deformities and diseases?

Disease and illness is the inevitable result of material nature. Everything that lives, ages, withers and dies. Material nature is the animal world. The only solution to illness and disease is to remove oneself from the cycle of life, death and rebirth.

All living things with a soul were once part of Heaven but fell out of heaven through some loss of faith and oneness with God. So long as one is in the phenomenal world, there will be illness and disease, sometimes it is random through complex events and sometimes it results from man's actions.

Either way, the only escape from it is to:

1. Stop identifying with the body. The minute you realize that you are not your body, that the body is but a vessel carrying you through this life, then no suffering or illness matters, for only the body suffers disease and death.
2. Leave the circle of life through divine penance. This in part comes through one's actions in life (karma) along with remembering the name of God when one dies.

Just remember, nothing here is real. Our earthly lives are all just an illusion on what the Vedics regard as the illusory energy (maya) of the casual ocean of Sankarsana. Nothing that has ever lived dies, and nothing that is unreal ever lives.

 

[ding]

Disease and illness is the inevitable result of material nature. Everything that lives, ages, withers and dies. Material nature is the animal world. The only solution to illness and disease is to remove oneself from the cycle of life, death and rebirth.

All living things with a soul were once part of Heaven but fell out of heaven through some loss of faith and oneness with God. So long as one is in the phenomenal world, there will be illness and disease, sometimes it is random through complex events and sometimes it results from man's actions.

Either way, the only escape from it is to:

1. Stop identifying with the body. The minute you realize that you are not your body, that the body is but a vessel carrying you through this life, then no suffering or illness matters, for only the body suffers disease and death.
2. Leave the circle of life through divine penance. This in part comes through one's actions in life (karma) along with remembering the name of God when one dies.

Just remember, nothing here is real. Our earthly lives are all just an illusion on what the Vedics regards as the illusory energy (maya) of the casual ocean of Sankarsana. Nothing that has ever lived dies, and nothing that is unreal ever lives.

OK, but why didn't God make a world free from natural disease and natural deformities?

 

[rylah]

This is all I've got.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 9:6

Indeed, you've got a single verse explicitly saying Eve ate of the fruit.
And every other verse mentioning Adam eating "of the tree."

What does the distinction indicate?

 

[toobfreak]

Agreed. This is all temporary and we're free to make our own choices while here.

Yes, material life is temporary, but the freedom of choice is part illusion. While yes we are given free will, that does not necessarily mean we should exercise it to live apart from God, lest we invoke all of the salacious consequences discussed above. God's will is the only path through material life, lest we suffer yet more slings and arrows of material nature. Further, not all free choice is really free choice, some free choice is real, but some freedom of choice is but an illusion, you have no actual choice in these regards other than the illusion of freedom.

It reminds me of a zoo animal: trapped, captured and limited within its boundaries, the trick is to make the zoo animal believe it is still actually free.

 

[ding]

All living things with a soul were once part of Heaven but fell out of heaven through some loss of faith and oneness with God.

I haven't heard that before. If you don't mind me asking, what is the basis for this belief?

 

[ding]

...not all free choice is really free choice

I don't understand. Why is some freedom of choice an illusion?

 

[ding]

Indeed, you've got a single verse explicitly saying Eve ate of the fruit.
And every other verse mentioning Adam eating "of the tree."

What does the distinction indicate?

God told Adam and Eve they could freely eat from every fruit-bearing tree and seed-bearing plant on Earth, except for the fruit from one specific tree; the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Which means they could have eaten from the Tree of Life. But after Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate from the forbidden tree, they became aware of their sin. So God banished them from the garden because if they had then eaten from the Tree of Life they would have permanently sealed humanity in a fallen, sinful state forever.

 

[BreezeWood]

Of course they did not "fear Moses" or their commandments. Jesus understood and taught the meanings of them in a broader, Spiritual sense.

provide the tablets you claim are heavenly that were destroyed by the liar moses before ever being witnessed by anyone ...

they were few and far between that did not fear the liar and murder moses, shown to have horns depicting their disposition.

there are no commandments from the heavens, remove the forgeries from the desert bibles or share the fate in torment of those that persecute and victimize the innocent - stone throwing jews, desert dwellers.

 

[rylah]

God told Adam and Eve they could freely eat from every fruit-bearing tree and seed-bearing plant on Earth, except for the fruit from one specific tree; the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Which means they could have eaten from the Tree of Life. But after Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate from the forbidden tree, they became aware of their sin. So God banished them from the garden because if they had then eaten from the Tree of Life they would have permanently sealed humanity in a fallen, sinful state forever.

God told them "the day you eat..."

So was the tree forbidden or the fruit?

 

[ding]

God told them "the day you eat..."

So was the tree forbidden or the fruit?

God told Adam and Eve they could freely eat from every fruit-bearing tree and seed-bearing plant on Earth, except for the fruit from one specific tree; the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Which means they could have eaten from the Tree of Life. But after Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate from the forbidden tree, they became aware of their sin. So God banished them from the garden because if they had then eaten from the Tree of Life they would have permanently sealed humanity in a fallen, sinful state forever.

 

[rylah]

God told Adam and Eve they could freely eat from every fruit-bearing tree and seed-bearing plant on Earth, except for the fruit from one specific tree; the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Which means they could have eaten from the Tree of Life. But after Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate from the forbidden tree, they became aware of their sin. So God banished them from the garden because if they had then eaten from the Tree of Life they would have permanently sealed humanity in a fallen, sinful state forever.

Bigger fonts won't change the actual text.
Even when stomping your foot harder.

Why would you need it changed?

 

[toobfreak]

OK, but why didn't God make a world free from natural disease and natural deformities?

He did. It just isn't THIS one. This is a world OF natural disease and deformity. That is material nature.

 

[ding]

Bigger fonts won't change the actual text.
Even if you you stomp your foot harder.

Why would you need it changed?

But it does highlight the answer to your response.