USA was really really dumb to move so much manufacturing to China

[there4eyeM]

'Capitalism' moved to China because China is "really, really" realist and opportunistic 'capitalists' are "really, really" short sighted.

 

[Dr Grump]

Which is actually worse. Because you are paying to not produce wealth for the country, while they consume wealth for the country.

Welfare is paying money, to destroy the wealth of the country.

This is why welfare doesn't exist in Nordic countries for example, and why most don't have a minimum wage. Because they understand that working for anything, and producing wealth for the country, is better than paying people to not work, and destroying the wealth of the country.

Huh? of course welfare exists in Nordic countries. They have some of the highest taxes in the western world. And they're happy. They're almost communist in the way they do things socially. No so with their political systems.

 

[there4eyeM]

Which is actually worse. Because you are paying to not produce wealth for the country, while they consume wealth for the country.

Welfare is paying money, to destroy the wealth of the country.

This is why welfare doesn't exist in Nordic countries for example, and why most don't have a minimum wage. Because they understand that working for anything, and producing wealth for the country, is better than paying people to not work, and destroying the wealth of the country.

Huh? of course welfare exists in Nordic countries. They have some of the highest taxes in the western world. And they're happy. They're almost communist in the way they do things socially. No so with their political systems.

They chose 'man' over 'materialism'. What is surprising is that this surprises some people.

 

[Mac1958]

Under-regulated, under-thought capitalism allows for huge mistakes like this.

Another example of how those who refuse to understand that are opening the door for the socialists.

I must be missing something. Give me an example of "under-regulated" or "under-thought" capitalism.

Under-regulated: The Meltdown and Greenspan's fatal refusal to regulate derivatives, the ratings agencies, and other key financial components and tactics that led to the collapse, a refusal he would later admit to Congress was wrong & destructive.

Under-thought: No restrictions on the way our corporations outsource their work overseas, one good example of which is explained in this thread's OP, particularly at a time of such global wealth disparity, which only exacerbated the negative effects.

I know you won't agree with either. But you asked, I answered. And I can tell you first hand that, in the financial services industry, my industry, there remain plenty of significant regulatory holes. Too many in some places, not nearly enough in others.
.

 

[Indeependent]

Corporations received tax breaks to cover moving costs.

Irrelevant. First off, a tax break isn't worth it. You may or may not be implying, that somehow the tax break is the cause of a company moving.

Wrong. Companies do not decide to move, or not to move, based on a tax break.

Tax breaks change your taxable income. If you spend a Million dollars, then you can deduct a Million dollars from your taxable income. Meaning you save taxes on a million dollars. For the company tax, that's $210,000.

You are spending $1,000,000, in order to save $210,000? No one does that. No one smart at least, spends a million to save $210 thousand.

The reason they move, is because it makes long term economic sense. They'll move, if that is what the economics say they need to do, whether they get a tax break or not.

Second, I don't know of any moving out of the country tax break. There are business expenses generally that I wager they can get a deduction for, but I highly doubt there is a moving the business out tax break.

What evidence do you have of this?

It is the business of business to make a profit.
It is the job of “our” representatives to maintain the US economy.’
“Our” representatives are handed legislations at BBQs and banquets to maximize profit at all costs.
It is a fact that the accursed Ronald Reagan encouraged globalism for the purpose of spreading Democracy and Capitalism to the rest of the globe; he was paid to lie.
Our trading partners did not incorporate one more ounce of humanity than they possessed prior to Reagan and the average American paid a heavy price.
The number of divorces and forecloses over the decades has been the reward of millions of Americans due to unfettered globalism.
The corps that left our shores should have been tariffed out of existence.
There is a tax break for moving a business that does not exclude off-shoring.
You may be too young to remember.

Again... I don't understand where the idea came from that trade meant anything about having more humanity.

Whether we trade with China, or don't trade with Venezuela, neither one is going to be more, or less humane. Trading doesn't do anything about the social systems involved.

Taking away trade, isn't going to help a single person anywhere.

The corps that left our shores should have been tariffed out of existence.

Are you smoking pot? Name one. Burger King?

The number of divorces and forecloses over the decades has been the reward of millions of Americans due to unfettered globalism.

Oh please stop it.... Really? Divorces is because of globalism? Are you full of it?

No, had nothing to do with meeting up with an ex-high-school-girl-friend on facebook, and screwing her over the weekend... nope nope... it was globalism.

Foreclosures had to do with government forcing banks to make bad loans. I can walk you through that again, if you like.

Nothing there has anything to do with globalism.

There is a tax break for moving a business that does not exclude off-shoring.
You may be too young to remember.

I don't believe you.

We’re you ever forced to work 110 hours a week for 50K when you had a Masters or a
PhD?
You skipped over the fact that “our” representatives sold their souls to Wall Street firms.
And no, I didn’t mean Burger King or McDonalds when I was referring to IBM, and hundred of other Fortune 5,000 companies laying off their workforce that spent years working for an advanced degree only to be led by one or more security guards to the exit because their job had been off-shores to India.
The real issue is that I am 60 and lived through all of this backstabbing.
Why do you think Trump won; he ran on this so why not send him a Tweet telling him he’s an idiot?

You skipped over the fact that “our” representatives sold their souls to Wall Street firms.

As has every government in human history. Demanding to give more power to government, through regulations and controls, will simply allow them to sell even more to Wall Street.

This is where you seem to make the mistake. Politician can't sell power they don't have. If you were to remove the ability to government to regulate Wall St, the result would be they wouldn't be able to sell influence to Wall Street.

Why do you think that every time they create a new government oversight agency, that lobbying increases in the industry they are overseeing?

If you yourself, had your career controlled by government, and you knew you could only get a raise in your wage, by meeting with a member of city counsel.... you would find a way to take that counsel person out to dinner.

Politicians know this. They know the only reason people lobby them, and donate to their campaign, is because they have power over their industry. This is why the politicians work hard to dupe the fools who support them, into supporting more government control over every aspect of the economy. It gives them money and power, to sell to the highest bidder.

I'm against this. You are for this. This is why I've said for ages, that the left-wing is far more in the pocket of the rich and wealthy elite than conservatives.

We’re you ever forced to work 110 hours a week for 50K when you had a Masters or a PhD?

I personally have not, but I know people who have. It's because of their own foolish choices. There are two ways you work for peanuts with a high level degree.

1. You get a degree in crap. I knew a pair of sisters. One had a Ph.D, and was working for $30,000 as an assistant. Why? Because a Ph.D in humanities is crap.

The other sister, dropped out of college, worked at a bank as a teller, worked her way up to management in the mortgage department, and now makes six figure income.

Don't get a degree in crap. Having a degree alone, doesn't mean jack. You need a degree in something productive, and then you have to work, and be productive.

2. You refuse to do what is required to make money.

Following the prior statement about being productive, it doesn't matter if you have a degree, if you are not willing to put in the hard work and effort.

A degree doesn't mean jack. if you are not willing to work for it, then you don't get the money.

I think think of dozens of examples. Had a Lady with a degree in engineering, get a job a NetJets, which is expensive high end private jet company. She quit after one year. Didn't like being required to work 50 hours a week. Wanted to spend time with her son.
Had another lady working at McDonald with a degree in architecture. Didn't want to have a set scheduled. That's what she said in her own words. Like the flexibility of McDonald's, and work closer to home.

And then you have people that just flat out suck. We have a guy right now that I'm dealing with. He's got an engineering degree. The dude hasn't fixed one thing since he started working here. He's last to show up for work, and first to leave at 5 PM. And don't ask him to go fix something at one of our other locations, because he'll leave a 1 PM, and show up at 3 PM. Doesn't take two hours to drive 2 miles to the other location.

Not only is he the lowest paid engineer, that has never gotten a raise in his salary, he's likely to be fired, and good luck landing a job with us as a reference. Better not call me up, asking about him, because I'll tell them everything.

Having a degree in today's world, doesn't mean anything. Nothing. So yes, there are people who have masters degrees, who don't earn jack, and it's their own fault.

I was talking about degrees in Finance, Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, CPAs, Medical Doctors, etc..., not coffee servers.

It’s obvious you have never worked in a major metropolis.

 

[Indeependent]

In Nordic countries the government negotiates the wages for most employees.

Is that what you are after?

Not true. Mythology. They do have trade unions, but they also have right to work. Unions can't prevent you from working for less than the Union negotiated wages.

Additionally, while I believe two nordic countries still have high participation in Unions, the fact is the rates of participation in unions has declined throughout all nordic countries.

Trade Union

Sweden down to 64% from 92%
Norway down to 49% from 57%
Netherlands down to 16% from 23%
Finland down to 60% from 78%
Denmark down to 66% from 76%

I think only Iceland has a 90% union participation still.

And the way that people get around that, is by claiming that the Union contracts cover non-union people. No evidence of that whatsoever. None. In fact, I have read articles claiming the exact opposite of that.

In fact, I saw a video years ago... and I wish I had downloaded it, and saved it.... from I believe Denmark, where a Union Leader was coming out against immigration... and he said very specifically why he was against immigration:

These immigrants are taking jobs for less money, and refusing to join the union and pay union dues.

Well according to the "everyone is covered by the Union contract" that should be impossible. Well apparently people who are not in the Union... are not in the Union, and not covered by Union contracts.

So, no what you are talking about is not true. The government is not negotiating wages for all people. Ridiculous Jessie Smollett fabrication going on from people who never lived in a nordic country.

Why not explain how difficult it is to qualify to become an immigrant in some of these nations?

Well depends on the nation. Some it is extremely hard. What does that have to do with anything though?

The only reason I pointed out the Union leader opposing immigration, was because I was making the point that non-union workers are not under government, or union contracts. They are free-market wages. Not even a minimum wage exists in most of these countries.

You’re asking why I responded to your post?
Really?
You’re way smarter than that.
You just didn’t want to post that those nations reject welfare cases.

The context of the post, was a claim that Nordic countries negotiate wages for workers. I correctly pointed out that they don't. Suddenly you started asking about immigration, and now something to do with welfare cases.

Naturally this left me confused as to the relation between what you said, and the context of the conversation, which still appears to have no relation.

You mentioned how immigrants do well in those countries.
Those countries don’t take immigrants.
Those countries also have minute populations.

 

[Bobob]

We are so vulnerable. Look, China won’t even deliver masks to the USA manufactured by American owned companies.

What a colossal geo political blunder by some many stupid swamp creatures.

If China makes all of our shit, doesn’t that make us beholden to them? We can just tell them to pound sand. He rely on them.

So fucked.

TPP? So fucking stupid.

When costs got too high to make a profit to satisfy their shareholders, companies left and went where they could make a profit. Trump moved his clothing operation to China. My guess is that if Trump had handled China in a more subdued way, instead of threatening them and acting stupid, the results may have been different.

 

[Indeependent]

We are so vulnerable. Look, China won’t even deliver masks to the USA manufactured by American owned companies.

What a colossal geo political blunder by some many stupid swamp creatures.

If China makes all of our shit, doesn’t that make us beholden to them? We can just tell them to pound sand. He rely on them.

So fucked.

TPP? So fucking stupid.

When costs got too high to make a profit to satisfy their shareholders, companies left and went where they could make a profit. Trump moved his clothing operation to China. My guess is that if Trump had handled China in a more subdued way, instead of threatening them and acting stupid, the results may have been different.

Most of the corps that started the exodus were Blue Chips making massive profits.

 

[Bobob]

We are so vulnerable. Look, China won’t even deliver masks to the USA manufactured by American owned companies.

What a colossal geo political blunder by some many stupid swamp creatures.

If China makes all of our shit, doesn’t that make us beholden to them? We can just tell them to pound sand. He rely on them.

So fucked.

TPP? So fucking stupid.

When costs got too high to make a profit to satisfy their shareholders, companies left and went where they could make a profit. Trump moved his clothing operation to China. My guess is that if Trump had handled China in a more subdued way, instead of threatening them and acting stupid, the results may have been different.

Most of the corps that started the exodus were Blue Chips making massive profits.

It is the percentage, not the amount.

 

[Indeependent]

We are so vulnerable. Look, China won’t even deliver masks to the USA manufactured by American owned companies.

What a colossal geo political blunder by some many stupid swamp creatures.

If China makes all of our shit, doesn’t that make us beholden to them? We can just tell them to pound sand. He rely on them.

So fucked.

TPP? So fucking stupid.

When costs got too high to make a profit to satisfy their shareholders, companies left and went where they could make a profit. Trump moved his clothing operation to China. My guess is that if Trump had handled China in a more subdued way, instead of threatening them and acting stupid, the results may have been different.

Most of the corps that started the exodus were Blue Chips making massive profits.

It is the percentage, not the amount.

I’m talking amount.
Anyone without a Bernie bumper sticker is voting for Trump.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Sure. If I was Trump, I would have done the same, except for illegals.

If you can't make something profitable in the US, then you have to make it outside the US, or not make it. That's how that works. No one is going to make a product in the US that causes them to lose money, just so they can say it was made in the US.

Nevertheless, the MAGA hats were never made in China. Sorry. That's left-wing Jessie Smollett story telling.

But I have no problem hiring legal immigrants, or outsourcing to China or anywhere in general. It's up to you to not have a system the creates economic incentives to make stuff outside the US.

Only 15% of the products in the Trump store are made in the US


Only 15% of the products in the Trump store are made in the US
December 4, 2018
By Justin Rohrlich
Geopolitics reporter

Yes, I am aware of this, and I would do the same. You have to make products at a profit, or there is no point in making them. If you can not make something profitably in the US, then you make it elsewhere. That's how life works.

My point was the MAGA hat (which is exactly what the other poster said) is not made outside the US. The MAGA hats are made domestically.

Are you suggesting they are losing money on each one they sell?

Possibly the hat might be profitable. Looking around online, domestically produced hats, specifically these types of hats, are selling for $20. So I would wager they are likely making a profit from these.

However, having looked at pants and shirts made domestically, compared to imported pants and shirts, the price difference is very wide. An identical shirt in the US is $30 to $40 more base price, than one imported.

Well I'm not spending $40 more for a shirt, just because it is domestically made. Most people won't. That's why trying to sell such items is a money losing venture.

Then why did Trump win?

"Then why did Trump win?"

because trump worked his base;

mocking, ridiculing, lying, cheating, insulting, personal attacks, extreme generalizations, blood libel....

that describes just about every trump voter in the country.

deplorables

human scum

they LOVED to see him behave as abominably as they do.....

 

[Indeependent]

Only 15% of the products in the Trump store are made in the US


Only 15% of the products in the Trump store are made in the US
December 4, 2018
By Justin Rohrlich
Geopolitics reporter

Yes, I am aware of this, and I would do the same. You have to make products at a profit, or there is no point in making them. If you can not make something profitably in the US, then you make it elsewhere. That's how life works.

My point was the MAGA hat (which is exactly what the other poster said) is not made outside the US. The MAGA hats are made domestically.

Are you suggesting they are losing money on each one they sell?

Possibly the hat might be profitable. Looking around online, domestically produced hats, specifically these types of hats, are selling for $20. So I would wager they are likely making a profit from these.

However, having looked at pants and shirts made domestically, compared to imported pants and shirts, the price difference is very wide. An identical shirt in the US is $30 to $40 more base price, than one imported.

Well I'm not spending $40 more for a shirt, just because it is domestically made. Most people won't. That's why trying to sell such items is a money losing venture.

Then why did Trump win?

"Then why did Trump win?"

because trump worked his base;

mocking, ridiculing, lying, cheating, insulting, personal attacks, extreme generalizations, blood libel....

that describes just about every trump voter in the country.

deplorables

human scum

they LOVED to see him behave as abominably as they do.....

We voted for MAGA, not Trump.
Unfortunately, 99.9% of Rs are neo-Con scum.

 

[Bobob]

We are so vulnerable. Look, China won’t even deliver masks to the USA manufactured by American owned companies.

What a colossal geo political blunder by some many stupid swamp creatures.

If China makes all of our shit, doesn’t that make us beholden to them? We can just tell them to pound sand. He rely on them.

So fucked.

TPP? So fucking stupid.

When costs got too high to make a profit to satisfy their shareholders, companies left and went where they could make a profit. Trump moved his clothing operation to China. My guess is that if Trump had handled China in a more subdued way, instead of threatening them and acting stupid, the results may have been different.

Most of the corps that started the exodus were Blue Chips making massive profits.

It is the percentage, not the amount.

I’m talking amount.
Anyone without a Bernie bumper sticker is voting for Trump.

I'm talking about reasons for moving to China.

 

[Indeependent]

We are so vulnerable. Look, China won’t even deliver masks to the USA manufactured by American owned companies.

What a colossal geo political blunder by some many stupid swamp creatures.

If China makes all of our shit, doesn’t that make us beholden to them? We can just tell them to pound sand. He rely on them.

So fucked.

TPP? So fucking stupid.

When costs got too high to make a profit to satisfy their shareholders, companies left and went where they could make a profit. Trump moved his clothing operation to China. My guess is that if Trump had handled China in a more subdued way, instead of threatening them and acting stupid, the results may have been different.

Most of the corps that started the exodus were Blue Chips making massive profits.

It is the percentage, not the amount.

I’m talking amount.
Anyone without a Bernie bumper sticker is voting for Trump.

I'm talking about reasons for moving to China.

They moved to China and India.
Indians are 100% compliant, they take shit from MBAs, work 24/7, receive no health benefits or vacation time.
The H1-Bs in America send most of their paycheck to India so the US loses discretionary spending dollars.

China is a totalitarian nation, so most of their workers are slaves.
Our trade deals include work conditions, hours and wages; all of which are violated by China.

 

[Andylusion]

Again, you are talking about the most heavily regulated industries in the US.

Now you can make the argument "they just need to fix it"... but how many decades on decades on decades have we played the "we just need to fix it" game with regulations?

Housing regulations have been growing in size and scope since basically World War 2. Endless on endless on endless regulations, and we've had crash after crash, with the biggest just in the past 10 years. 70+ years of endless regulations, and here you are 70 years later after the US Federal Government directly involved itself in housing... and we've had a massive crash.

How many hundreds of more years do you need to magically "Get regulation right"? And why should we believe you?

How many times have you said "trust us" in regards to government intervention, only to have it turn out into another crap show, and blaming Capitalism for it?

Look at the Stimulus package Obama pushed for almost a trillion dollars, and what did we get for that $1.3 Trillion dollar deficit for years? With the Stimulus package, unemployment would stop at under 8%, and we'd recover fully in 2 years. Instead unemployment went almost to 11% and we had the slowest recovery from a recession in all of US history.

And where did that money? Just gone.

And then you look at government agencies like the FAA and complain.... but here's the problem.... it's always been that way. Always. ALWAYS.

Government agencies simply end up being a revolving door for the companies. Every single time, you end up with people in those agencies, that use the power government gives them, to enrich themselves.

Not a single government agency anywhere, has ever stopped anything. Ever.

Name one time. Name one. You can't. Enron, actually used their SEC reports they filed, to pacify investors that were raising red flags about their books. Investor were saying.... this kinda looks like you are hiding something. .. and Enron said we filed our reports with the SEC, and they said nothing.

And this happens all the time. Walmart when they first started selling roasted chicken, left it to government to do safety checks. After a year, they found that only 3 visits even checked by the FDA, and 2 were the same store. So Walmart ended up buying wireless thermometers to put in each chicken to verify cooking with computers.

Your attempts to use government fix all things in the world, has done just the opposite. We are less safe from government, not more.

All your regulations and endless agencies make us worse off, and your solution is more of the same poison, as if taking more toxic waste, will magically make us all better. There is no example of that happening. No country has regulated it's way into prosperity and safety. Never happened.

I have never said "trust me" and I never supported Obama.

I'm not interested in a country where the greed of companies like Boeing, Perdue and DuPont get to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

Every single country on the face of the earth is run by profit. It's no different in Europe, and it wasn't in the Soviet Union.

The difference is, in a Capitalist system, when a company does something that causes deaths, the government extracts penalties on them.

In Venezuela, and any other country where companies are run by the government, they simply cover it up.

A perfect example of this, is China right now. One of the big problems with China and Corona, is that the government doesn't want to look bad, and since the health system is run by the government, they are more interested in fudging the numbers, and concealing information, than telling everyone what is really going on.

Say was true during the Soviet Union, where pollution was rampant, and the government just covered it up, because they didn't want to look bad, given they controlled the companies.

You say you don't want to live in such a world, and then promote every single policy that would create the very world you are against.

Double speak. You say that when a company does harm that there are repercussions. These are known as regulations.

Again, you are talking about the most heavily regulated industries in the US.

Now you can make the argument "they just need to fix it"... but how many decades on decades on decades have we played the "we just need to fix it" game with regulations?

Housing regulations have been growing in size and scope since basically World War 2. Endless on endless on endless regulations, and we've had crash after crash, with the biggest just in the past 10 years. 70+ years of endless regulations, and here you are 70 years later after the US Federal Government directly involved itself in housing... and we've had a massive crash.

How many hundreds of more years do you need to magically "Get regulation right"? And why should we believe you?

How many times have you said "trust us" in regards to government intervention, only to have it turn out into another crap show, and blaming Capitalism for it?

Look at the Stimulus package Obama pushed for almost a trillion dollars, and what did we get for that $1.3 Trillion dollar deficit for years? With the Stimulus package, unemployment would stop at under 8%, and we'd recover fully in 2 years. Instead unemployment went almost to 11% and we had the slowest recovery from a recession in all of US history.

And where did that money? Just gone.

And then you look at government agencies like the FAA and complain.... but here's the problem.... it's always been that way. Always. ALWAYS.

Government agencies simply end up being a revolving door for the companies. Every single time, you end up with people in those agencies, that use the power government gives them, to enrich themselves.

Not a single government agency anywhere, has ever stopped anything. Ever.

Name one time. Name one. You can't. Enron, actually used their SEC reports they filed, to pacify investors that were raising red flags about their books. Investor were saying.... this kinda looks like you are hiding something. .. and Enron said we filed our reports with the SEC, and they said nothing.

And this happens all the time. Walmart when they first started selling roasted chicken, left it to government to do safety checks. After a year, they found that only 3 visits even checked by the FDA, and 2 were the same store. So Walmart ended up buying wireless thermometers to put in each chicken to verify cooking with computers.

Your attempts to use government fix all things in the world, has done just the opposite. We are less safe from government, not more.

All your regulations and endless agencies make us worse off, and your solution is more of the same poison, as if taking more toxic waste, will magically make us all better. There is no example of that happening. No country has regulated it's way into prosperity and safety. Never happened.

I have never said "trust me" and I never supported Obama.

I'm not interested in a country where the greed of companies like Boeing, Perdue and DuPont get to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

Every single country on the face of the earth is run by profit. It's no different in Europe, and it wasn't in the Soviet Union.

The difference is, in a Capitalist system, when a company does something that causes deaths, the government extracts penalties on them.

In Venezuela, and any other country where companies are run by the government, they simply cover it up.

A perfect example of this, is China right now. One of the big problems with China and Corona, is that the government doesn't want to look bad, and since the health system is run by the government, they are more interested in fudging the numbers, and concealing information, than telling everyone what is really going on.

Say was true during the Soviet Union, where pollution was rampant, and the government just covered it up, because they didn't want to look bad, given they controlled the companies.

You say you don't want to live in such a world, and then promote every single policy that would create the very world you are against.

Double speak. You say that when a company does harm that there are repercussions. These are known as regulations.

No. You are confusing justice, with regulations. Regulations are controls on doing legal actions, that you don't want people to do.

Justice is punishment for engaging in illegal activities.

Injustice is when I knowingly send you into toxic waste that will kill. I'm committing murder, which is illegal and morally wrong.

Regulation is taking something that is not illegal, and not morally wrong, and saying you can't do that.

You agree to mow my law for $20. I pay the $20, and you mow the lawn. There is nothing wrong about voluntary mutually beneficial exchange.

Then the government comes along and says, you must pay him $50 for mowing the lawn. It's a control on legal choices.

You don't need to have a single regulation anywhere, to find out if Boeing knowingly pushed flawed designs, and knew people could die because of those flawed designs. You don't need a single regulation anywhere, to charge someone with negligent homicide.

If you hop in your car, and throw it in reverse, while looking at the radio... the police do not need to first have regulations on using reverse while looking at the radio, to charge you with negligent homicide for backing over someone and killing them.

Regulations are not the same as enforcing justice. Not at all.

There was nothing illegal about DuPont polluting the waters. They simply decided to not tell anyone about it.

It soon will be illegal.

I have a solution for that. We should do what Germany does, and incorporate the rivers. Make it so that the river itself is a profitable venture.

Under this system, the river corporation has invested interest in maintaining the river. Because if the river is overly polluted, then no one will fish there, thus no fishing revenue. If the river is too damaged, then the next corporation down the river won't be able to use the water, and there will be no use-revenue.

The German model is exceptional in many ways.

But it takes power away from government. Government politicians want to sell access to the river, and they can't do that for personal gain, if the access to the river is owned by the river corporation. Thus lobbying for special interests will decrease.

 

[Bobob]

When costs got too high to make a profit to satisfy their shareholders, companies left and went where they could make a profit. Trump moved his clothing operation to China. My guess is that if Trump had handled China in a more subdued way, instead of threatening them and acting stupid, the results may have been different.

Most of the corps that started the exodus were Blue Chips making massive profits.

It is the percentage, not the amount.

I’m talking amount.
Anyone without a Bernie bumper sticker is voting for Trump.

I'm talking about reasons for moving to China.

They moved to China and India.
Indians are 100% compliant, they take shit from MBAs, work 24/7, receive no health benefits or vacation time.
The H1-Bs in America send most of their paycheck to India so the US loses discretionary spending dollars.

China is a totalitarian nation, so most of their workers are slaves.
Our trade deals include work conditions, hours and wages; all of which are violated by China.

Regardless, I am referring to their reasons for moving.

 

[Indeependent]

Most of the corps that started the exodus were Blue Chips making massive profits.

It is the percentage, not the amount.

I’m talking amount.
Anyone without a Bernie bumper sticker is voting for Trump.

I'm talking about reasons for moving to China.

They moved to China and India.
Indians are 100% compliant, they take shit from MBAs, work 24/7, receive no health benefits or vacation time.
The H1-Bs in America send most of their paycheck to India so the US loses discretionary spending dollars.

China is a totalitarian nation, so most of their workers are slaves.
Our trade deals include work conditions, hours and wages; all of which are violated by China.

Regardless, I am referring to their reasons for moving.

I just posted why...greed.

 

[Bobob]

It is the percentage, not the amount.

I’m talking amount.
Anyone without a Bernie bumper sticker is voting for Trump.

I'm talking about reasons for moving to China.

They moved to China and India.
Indians are 100% compliant, they take shit from MBAs, work 24/7, receive no health benefits or vacation time.
The H1-Bs in America send most of their paycheck to India so the US loses discretionary spending dollars.

China is a totalitarian nation, so most of their workers are slaves.
Our trade deals include work conditions, hours and wages; all of which are violated by China.

Regardless, I am referring to their reasons for moving.

I just posted why...greed.

Wrong. Not greed, but the need to show the profit margin that investors demand and are entitled to. Also when business takes a dive, they heed lots of capital to survive the storm. Manufacturing in our country is now in a recession and 20% of farmers have gone bankrupt
due to trump's trade wars. Of course, they are going to look for better markets because it will be a struggle to survive here. That is the reason why our manufacturing has moved abroad.

 

[Indeependent]

I’m talking amount.
Anyone without a Bernie bumper sticker is voting for Trump.

I'm talking about reasons for moving to China.

They moved to China and India.
Indians are 100% compliant, they take shit from MBAs, work 24/7, receive no health benefits or vacation time.
The H1-Bs in America send most of their paycheck to India so the US loses discretionary spending dollars.

China is a totalitarian nation, so most of their workers are slaves.
Our trade deals include work conditions, hours and wages; all of which are violated by China.

Regardless, I am referring to their reasons for moving.

I just posted why...greed.

Wrong. Not greed, but the need to show the profit margin that investors demand and are entitled to. Also when business takes a dive, they heed lots of capital to survive the storm. Manufacturing in our country is now in a recession and 20% of farmers have gone bankrupt
due to trump's trade wars. Of course, they are going to look for better markets because it will be a struggle to survive here. That is the reason why our manufacturing has moved abroad.

The need to show profit margin...
Greed.
I have spoken with many a RWer who cares nothing about new products, just the need to see their assets increase on their smart devices.
It’s called avarice.

 

[Jarlaxle]

TRUCKS are not cars, you blithering idiot!

You still haven't backed up your position.

CAFE standards. Taxes on cars that USD more gas. (Trucks do not lay these taxes.)

Game, set, match. You lose.

Yes, we increased CAFE standards. That didn't ban big cars like you said so what are you saying? That you miss the days of smog filled cities?

Boy, you are NOT this thick. Just isn't possible. Fuel consumption has nothing to do with emissions. (Offhand, the Charger paid a gas guzzler tax...and is a tier 2 ULEV.)

Since you were unable to provide any laws that banned big cars I had to assume you had another motive and took a guess.

Now, do you have an example of these laws or not?

One more time, shit for brains: corporate average fuel economy laws.