Trump Is On His Way To China, Is That Good?

[toobfreak]

I believe US holds 70 and China holds 10. All developed nations have no intentions to open their market fully to China, especially EVs, despite how much they loathe Trump. Canada is giving Trump the cold shoulder by allowing limited Chinese EVs into the country. Could be their strategy until Trump leaves office.

Trump literally got rid of China's presence in the Western hemisphere with the exception of Argentina where China has a few insignificance footprints. China can only pressure developing and undeveloped countries but those countries do not have the market to sustain China's economy. Look at their aviation industry. Not one developed nation places an order for their homemade plane. China has been waiting for the FAA to certify but the FAA is dragging its feet for reason we already know.

As for their AI, no business in the US, western Europe, S. Korea, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand is silly enough to use Chinese made AI to compromise their network. Whatever the case, China needs US market to fuel their economy. You could say that decades of manipulating their currency and industrial espionage are coming back to haunt them.

If a Democrat is back in office, US influence would shrink.

I like your assessment. I would only add that China wants to hold the 70 and for us to hold the 10, so we shall see what comes out of this, I think China is about as predictable in their reactions and as open to compromise as is Iran, both want all the gain to be on their end.

 

[22lcidw]

So you have no answers....no surprise.

Remember back when you could argue effectively for your blob and try to make a case that he had some idea what he was doing?

I guess those days are long gone.

BTW...did you see the Times article pointing out that 30 of 33 rocket launchers Iran has along the Strait are still there?

"The Trump administration’s public portrayal of a shattered Iranian military is sharply at odds with what U.S. intelligence agencies are telling policymakers behind closed doors, according to classified assessments from early this month that show Iran has regained access to most of its missile sites, launchers and underground facilities.

Most alarming to some senior officials is evidence that Iran has restored operational access to 30 of the 33 missile sites it maintains along the Strait of Hormuz, which could threaten American warships and oil tankers transiting the narrow waterway."

U.S. Intelligence Shows Iran Retains Substantial Missile Capabilities

Secret new assessments say Iran has operational access to 30 of its 33 missile sites along the Strait of Hormuz, suggesting that its military remains far stronger than President Trump has asserted.

www.nytimes.com

Turns out the blob has been lying to us all along....

But that is no surprise to most of us.

I am glad all of these intelligence secrets you know about.

 

[drudge X]

I like your assessment. I would only add that China wants to hold the 70 and for us to hold the 10, so we shall see what comes out of this, I think China is about as predictable in their reactions and as open to compromise as is Iran, both want all the gain to be on their end.

The Taiwan issue is commonly used by China as bargaining chip and arouse nationalism. Behind the scene, China is suffering economically. When Xi took office, he promised a new era to the people. However, that was shoved aside as the country's priority shifted to challenge the US military might, heavy defense spending, and now AI. Those have virtually no connection to the average Chinese. Most of the working class earn less than $10 a day. The better off may earn around $15-30.

As for the Iran issue, China is feeling a major pain. The CCP is doing their best to mask this as their legitimacy to the people is dependence on the economy. China really has no cards to play with the US on geopolitical issues. I've been hearing that China may dump US T-bills for decades but so far nothing.

If the US continues on the same course prior to Trump, I can see China taking the lead decades from now. However, they need to change and abandon this industrial theft and espionage and respect intellectual rights. Perhaps it's in inflection point for the country. Theft and no respect for intellectual rights are coming back to haunt them. Look at Huawei and ZTE. Both companies were once high flying in the West until the accusation of spying for the CCP literally shut them out of high end contracts or outright ban. Several European countries still use their equipment but for low risk areas. The EU is notoriously slow moving or not doing anything. Complete decoupling is out of the question for them but they are working on it.

 

[TimFitz]

Xi is begging Trump for their 20% Iranian oil which they will not get unless they help in the Strait. As usual, you TDS/Marxies have it exactly backwards.

They aren’t begging.

Xi knows full well that Trump has hoist himself on his own petard. So does the rest of the world.

Now Trump is talking openly about getting Chinese help to solve the problem he created. And, in so doing, reducing the influence of the United States.

 

[drudge X]

They aren’t begging.

Xi knows full well that Trump has hoist himself on his own petard. So does the rest of the world.

Now Trump is talking openly about getting Chinese help to solve the problem he created. And, in so doing, reducing the influence of the United States.

Only a fool like you believe China will help ask or not. China has virtually no experience in the Midfie East affairs, especially the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

This show was put forward by Trump to bait inept folks like you who cannot control your TDS.

 

[TimFitz]

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[TimFitz]

Only a fool like you believe China will help ask or not. China has virtually no experience in the Midfie East affairs, especially the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

This show was put forward by Trump to bait inept folks like you who cannot control your TDS.

I wasn’t the one who made that claim.

Explain how Trump dragged a bunch of CEO’s to China just to bait his critics.

Seems shallow, small minded and downright stupid.

Admittedly, that’s how the Trumpster minds often work. As if negotiations between the world’s two most powerful leaders is some sort of silly domestic partisan thoimg.

This is not a game. it is not the cheezy political reality show that Tru,mp puts on to entertain folks like you.

It's your future. It’s the standing of the United States as a world leader.

Xi knows Trump is a coward and a fool. So does everyone else.

 

[TimFitz]

The Taiwan issue is commonly used by China as bargaining chip and arouse nationalism. Behind the scene, China is suffering economically. When Xi took office, he promised a new era to the people. However, that was shoved aside as the country's priority shifted to challenge the US military might, heavy defense spending, and now AI. Those have virtually no connection to the average Chinese. Most of the working class earn less than $10 a day. The better off may earn around $15-30.

As for the Iran issue, China is feeling a major pain. The CCP is doing their best to mask this as their legitimacy to the people is dependence on the economy. China really has no cards to play with the US on geopolitical issues. I've been hearing that China may dump US T-bills for decades but so far nothing.

If the US continues on the same course prior to Trump, I can see China taking the lead decades from now. However, they need to change and abandon this industrial theft and espionage and respect intellectual rights. Perhaps it's in inflection point for the country. Theft and no respect for intellectual rights are coming back to haunt them. Look at Huawei and ZTE. Both companies were once high flying in the West until the accusation of spying for the CCP literally shut them out of high end contracts or outright ban. Several European countries still use their equipment but for low risk areas. The EU is notoriously slow moving or not doing anything. Complete decoupling is out of the question for them but they are working on it.

Trump has accelerated that trend.

 

[Leo123]

They aren’t begging.

Xi knows full well that Trump has hoist himself on his own petard. So does the rest of the world.

Now Trump is talking openly about getting Chinese help to solve the problem he created. And, in so doing, reducing the influence of the United States.

Nice Marxist fairytale.

 

[drudge X]

Trump has accelerated that trend.

Ahhhh...shaddap. You have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[drudge X]

I wasn’t the one who made that claim.

Explain how Trump dragged a bunch of CEO’s to China just to bait his critics.

Seems shallow, small minded and downright stupid.

Admittedly, that’s how the Trumpster minds often work. As if negotiations between the world’s two most powerful leaders is some sort of silly domestic partisan thoimg.

This is not a game. it is not the cheezy political reality show that Tru,mp puts on to entertain folks like you.

It's your future. It’s the standing of the United States as a world leader.

Xi knows Trump is a coward and a fool. So does everyone else.

Trump pointed a gun at these executives and forced them to get on plane??

Your Stage 4 TDS is dumbing you down and you're too stupid to see the picture in front of you. You can only see and hear what the media tell you.

What did Trump do prior to the trip? If you can answer that, then the light bulb may turn on.

 

[toobfreak]

The Taiwan issue is commonly used by China as bargaining chip and arouse nationalism. Behind the scene, China is suffering economically. When Xi took office, he promised a new era to the people. However, that was shoved aside as the country's priority shifted to challenge the US military might, heavy defense spending, and now AI. Those have virtually no connection to the average Chinese. Most of the working class earn less than $10 a day. The better off may earn around $15-30.

As for the Iran issue, China is feeling a major pain. The CCP is doing their best to mask this as their legitimacy to the people is dependence on the economy. China really has no cards to play with the US on geopolitical issues. I've been hearing that China may dump US T-bills for decades but so far nothing.

If the US continues on the same course prior to Trump, I can see China taking the lead decades from now. However, they need to change and abandon this industrial theft and espionage and respect intellectual rights. Perhaps it's in inflection point for the country. Theft and no respect for intellectual rights are coming back to haunt them. Look at Huawei and ZTE. Both companies were once high flying in the West until the accusation of spying for the CCP literally shut them out of high end contracts or outright ban. Several European countries still use their equipment but for low risk areas. The EU is notoriously slow moving or not doing anything. Complete decoupling is out of the question for them but they are working on it.

Well, the shit has hit the fan now.

1. China wants Taiwan.
2. Jinping INSULTED Trump calling the USA a nation in decline like we are yesterday's newspaper and they being the new kid on the block, upcoming, on the rise, ready to take over.
3. Jinping at worst considers China to be a co-equal nation to ours.
4. They magnanimously offered that if the USA comes aboard and plays ball with them (like Joe Biden was), give them Taiwan, technology, etc., that we can work as "partners" in effect saving our asses and carry us along with them.
5. Of course, if we actually did that, gave China everything they wanted and needed to become the superpower they want to be, soon as they could, they would discard us.
6. China will not dump our T-bills because they make a lot of money off that.
7. Xi has agreed to buy 200 jets from Boeing (who was at the meeting) and agreed to help with Iran in a few ways--- I place low confidence in those promises and expect China like Iran to back out of any deal the instant they don't get their way. Xi will give us $1 if we give them a million dollars.

I bet Xi never comes to the USA now in September. I think the trip there foolish and a waste of time and Trump is not falling for any of it. The CCP was installed by Russia illegally, that is why they want Taiwan as Taiwan remains the only surviving link back to the original legitimate government, and the chinese really hate not having control of the situation.

I expect there will be a lot of frowns around the room on Day 2.

 

[drudge X]

China has been warning the US about Taiwan for the last 40 years. US has been ignoring their warning for the same amount of time. Xi needs something to stroke nationalism in front of the people and what better way to do it by casting a toothless warning against the US. China knows Taiwan cannot be taken without a full blown war which will definitely involve S. Korea, Japan, and perhaps Philippines and Australia. If US, S. Korea, and Japan idle, the alliance is gone with S. Korea and Japan's survival at stake. The S. China Sea will become China's backyard swimming pool. I don't believe the US will allow that since Rubio issued a stark response like try it and find out.

 

[toobfreak]

The S. China Sea will become China's backyard swimming pool.

China already views the S. China Sea as theirs, and it has the largest shipping lanes in the world. China reminds me of the Romulans, if you know anything about Star Trek, arrogant beyond belief, convinced of their superiority, who view everything in their vision as belonging to them.

I don't believe the US will allow that since Rubio issued a stark response like try it and find out.

I'm liking Rubio a lot. If Trump leaves tomorrow without China getting a firm resolution on Taiwan in their favor, it will be a huge loss of face to Jinping, and he will write it as a slap in the face after the royal accord they gave Trump on his arrival.

Soon as I saw the huge show they put on for Trump, I knew they had to have something really BIG they were going to try to hang on Trump. China will regard our turning down their offer now to screw ourselves over the coals for China's benefit as the actions not so much as the "friend" they hoped Trump would be.

 

[Darkwind]

BTW, DW, here is the confirmation that they indeed did take some fashion of polar route. It says here that AF-1 stopped off in Anchorage Alaska to pick up the CEO of Nvidia, so they had to be taking some trip across Canada, grazing Alaska, then either over the Arctic Ocean past Korea, of back down the Atlantic into Russia and near Japan.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5875767-nvidia-ceo-joins-trump-china-trip/

It just makes more sense to Me at least.

 

[konradv]

Well, the shit has hit the fan now.

1. China wants Taiwan.
2. Jinping INSULTED Trump calling the USA a nation in decline like we are yesterday's newspaper and they being the new kid on the block, upcoming, on the rise, ready to take over.
3. Jinping at worst considers China to be a co-equal nation to ours.
4. They magnanimously offered that if the USA comes aboard and plays ball with them (like Joe Biden was), give them Taiwan, technology, etc., that we can work as "partners" in effect saving our asses and carry us along with them.
5. Of course, if we actually did that, gave China everything they wanted and needed to become the superpower they want to be, soon as they could, they would discard us.
6. China will not dump our T-bills because they make a lot of money off that.
7. Xi has agreed to buy 200 jets from Boeing (who was at the meeting) and agreed to help with Iran in a few ways--- I place low confidence in those promises and expect China like Iran to back out of any deal the instant they don't get their way. Xi will give us $1 if we give them a million dollars.

I bet Xi never comes to the USA now in September. I think the trip there foolish and a waste of time and Trump is not falling for any of it. The CCP was installed by Russia illegally, that is why they want Taiwan as Taiwan remains the only surviving link back to the original legitimate government, and the chinese really hate not having control of the situation.

I expect there will be a lot of frowns around the room on Day 2.

Jinping?

 

[konradv]

Nice Marxist fairytale.

You are a one trick pony, aren’t you?

 

[drudge X]

China already views the S. China Sea as theirs, and it has the largest shipping lanes in the world. China reminds me of the Romulans, if you know anything about Star Trek, arrogant beyond belief, convinced of their superiority, who view everything in their vision as belonging to them.


I'm liking Rubio a lot. If Trump leaves tomorrow without China getting a firm resolution on Taiwan in their favor, it will be a huge loss of face to Jinping, and he will write it as a slap in the face after the royal accord they gave Trump on his arrival.

Soon as I saw the huge show they put on for Trump, I knew they had to have something really BIG they were going to try to hang on Trump. China will regard our turning down their offer now to screw ourselves over the coals for China's benefit as the actions not so much as the "friend" they hoped Trump would be.

Rubio looks presidential doesn’t he? Before coming on board with Trump, he had this boyish look. Today, he could take over for Trump at moment’s notice.

I don’t believe Trump will give China assurance on Taiwan. It’s a huge bargaining chip especially with Taiwan Semiconductor HQ there. China would love more than anything to seize TSMC’s secrets. If Trump gives assurance, the panic alarm will go off in S. Korea, Japan, and Philippines. US needs those countries to keep China in check.

 

[Lockback]

I believe in talking with your enemies rather than simply going to war with them.
I also think Trump is brilliant when it comes to negotiations.
Having said that, my level of distrust for China is a 30 on a scale of 1-10. Xi is truly one of the most evil people on the face of the Earth.
I'm not sure this opportunity is one worth taking.

 

[SaxonJackson]

More on this trip to China....the Col. is spot on!

Col Doug Macgregor: Trump Visits China​

Both of the Colonels in the video are great analysts. I enjoy that YouTube channel and learn a lot from both of them. Especially Macgregor.