Trump Is On His Way To China, Is That Good?

[candycorn]

and we can break them......

Your post gets an award for the most appropriate avatar relative to the comment.

Sure...we can break them; when we buy back our billions in debt and stop buying stuff from China--$300B per year.

 

[TimFitz]

Name the countries we have destroyed.

We reduced Iraq to ruins, and are now working on Iran. We financed nd equipped Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

Name any trade we have disrupted.

You seem to conveniently forget your beloved’s ridiculous trade wars from just a year ago.

Name what refugees we have caused.

Streams of refugees streamed out of Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Viet Nam because of American wars or American backing of proxy wars.

Name where we have killed civilians.

We killed half a million people in Iraq, tens of thousands in Gaza, nd thousands more in Iran.

This I gotta hear. Quit slinging baseless, rogue accusations, time to back it up with some proof.

Your parochial bigotry and selective memory of major events does not absolve you.

 

[sparky]

Sure...we can break them; when we buy back our billions in debt and stop buying stuff from China--$300B per year.

Realize AI is slated for our looming revaluation , and that pig might actually fly CC

~S~

 

[sparky]

TRUMP’S GIFT TO PATRIOTS

~S~

 

[Independent thinker]

I would have put this in our China folder, but we have none! We have a folder for Iraq and Canada, but none for our biggest adversary? At any rate, this thread will at least BEGIN as a collection of my own thoughts and idle speculations then go from there.

I don't like Trump going to China, I don't think it a good idea. First, I think it presents a great danger to Trump. Let's begin with the trip. I created a map for this, below:

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Here is a map I threw together for several reasons. First of all, DC where Trump left and Beijing where Trump is presumably going are at about the same latitudes. I am guessing that it'll take Air Force One around 14 hours to make the flight. I watched Trump leaving the WH this morning to board Marine One, then caught coverage of him boarding AF1 at Joint Base Andrews. AF1 took off from JBA at around 2;15PM today, so we will say 2:30 for a round number as they probably had to circle around a bit before heading out. By my estimate then, at this time, AF1 should be somewhere over our West coast, over California heading out over the Pacific about now.

The yellow hash marks are an approximation of about where I'd guess AF1 to be for each hour flying time.

The blue numbers underneath are the absolute time by EDT. This means that I would estimate AF1 to arrive in China at Beijing somewhere around 4:30AM tomorrow (Wednesday) morning. But AF1 is also flying westward away from the Sun counteracting the rotation of the Earth, so I tried to correct for this by crude estimation. So even though Trump left at 2:30 EDT from DC and is now leaving or soon to leave continental USA for the ocean, it is still only around 3:30PM local time there.

I tried to estimate the local time by correcting for time zones (13 of them) using a time zone map, and put the local times in red above the line.

The green line is just a rough demarcation showing the IDL (International Date Line).

What all this crap means is that by the time Trump reaches the IDL midway over the Pacific, it'll still only be about an hour local time later than when he left. This is where it gets complicated. I estimated him arriving in Beijing around 5:50 local time. It is around 6:30 in the morning, Wednesday the 13th in Beijing right now, so, that suggests Trump will arrive there around 4:30PM there. My guess was 5:30PM. I tried an air travel app too and inputted the leaving location, destination and travel time too and it also came up with 5:30.

So Trump left around 2:30PM from DC on Tuesday, and will arrive in China around 4:30PM - 5:30PM their time on Wednesday. To put it more strangely, Trump left 2:30 in the afternoon, flew about 13-15 hours, and will land in China at 5:30PM only 3 hours later in the day, but a day later.

So around 1:30AM tomorrow morning EDT, TRump will be flying over Japan, and about an hour later, will be crossing over S. Korea. Since Trump will be arriving in China late afternoon their time, it'll still feel like 4:30AM to his body (jet lag), so I would guess that Trump will arrive in Beijing about 10 hours from now, will be greeted, then probably have dinner and get some rest, and the official two day summit between him and Jinping will begin the next say.

SO, WHAT IS MY POINT?

My point being that this trip was publicly announced weeks in advance. If I can figure all of this crap out just goofing around, can you imagine what someone might figure out if they had serious bad intentions for the president? China is our biggest enemy. I think it was wrong for Trump to go there, it makes him look like a supplicant. Jinping should be coming here (he's supposed to later this year), or at the very least, both Trump and Xi should meet somewhere neutral--- like maybe New Zealand. I do not believe in accidents and a lot of people in China have accidents. I hope AF1 is being protected by a squad of fighter jets and I hope Trump has protection there out the wazoo.

One last point: something like 30 business leaders went with Trump, some of the richest men in the world like Elon Musk, so I presume a big part of Trump's trip will involve using business as leverage to try to finagle his way with Xi.

I think it is better for him to go than not to go.

 

[JLW]

Trump is now in Beijing on bended knee to Xi asking for his help to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Trump: Making China Great Again.

 

[Leo123]

Ira

We reduced Iraq to ruins, and are now working on Iran. We financed nd equipped Israel’s genocide in Gaza.


You seem to conveniently forget your beloved’s ridiculous trade wars from just a year ago.


Streams of refugees streamed out of Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Viet Nam because of American wars or American backing of proxy wars.


We killed half a million people in Iraq, tens of thousands in Gaza, nd thousands more in Iran.


Your parochial bigotry and selective memory of major events does not absolve you.

Iraq today has functioning cities, universities, businesses, modern malls and neighborhoods and growing oil exports.

 

[Leo123]

Trump is now in Beijing on bended knee to Xi asking for his help to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Trump: Making China Great Again.

Xi is begging Trump for their 20% Iranian oil which they will not get unless they help in the Strait. As usual, you TDS/Marxies have it exactly backwards.

 

[JLW]

Xi is begging Trump for their 20% Iranian oil which they will not get unless they help in the Strait. As usual, you TDS/Marxies have it exactly backwards.

I don't need a lecture from an emasculated Trumpist. You Red Maga have done more to increase Chinses influence around the world than anyone before you. Trump is in China hat in hand because of his disastrous war in Iraq and now needs help to extricate himself from his monumental failure.

 

[toobfreak]

I think it is better for him to go than not to go.

Probably, but in the end, China is the ultimate enabler of Iran, China is our greatest enemy, China is raping us, robbing us blind, conspiring behind us, and stabbing us in the backs looking to pull our currency and feet right out from under us. They have killed millions of Americans.

Going there and treating them like just another fair business and trading partner just legitimizes them and makes Trump look like a supplicant.

Unless Trump comes away with some big prize, some concession leading to hundreds of billions income for the USA or adds China to the Iran problem leading to a normalization of the Persian Gulf, I will consider this trip to be largely a waste and failure.

 

[Independent thinker]

Probably, but in the end, China is the ultimate enabler of Iran, China is our greatest enemy, China is raping us, robbing us blind, conspiring behind us, and stabbing us in the backs looking to pull our currency and feet right out from under us. They have killed millions of Americans.

Going there and treating them like just another fair business and trading partner just legitimizes them and makes Trump look like a supplicant.

Unless Trump comes away with some big prize, some concession leading to hundreds of billions income for the USA or adds China to the Iran problem leading to a normalization of the Persian Gulf, I will consider this trip to be largely a waste and failure.

Trump did bring some cards with him. Don’t know how high or what suits.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump did bring some cards with him. Don’t know how high or what suits.

Well, from the little leaked out so far, both Trump and Xi both have some red-line issues they are unwilling to concede, but I believe Trump holds an edge in that Trump has China by the Iran oil balls.

 

[Leo123]

I don't need a lecture from an emasculated Trumpist. You Red Maga have done more to increase Chinses influence around the world than anyone before you. Trump is in China hat in hand because of his disastrous war in Iraq and now needs help to extricate himself from his monumental failure.

Xi invited Trump.

 

[toobfreak]

You Red Maga have done more to increase Chinses influence around the world than anyone before you.

Pretty amazing considering that most of China's influence has been in place and being developed long before Trump ever thought of running for public office, which makes yours a shitheel claim.

Trump is in China hat in hand because of his disastrous war in Iraq and now needs help to extricate himself from his monumental failure.

Mental health really eludes you terminal TDSers. Must be time to up your meds again.
Take two Trumps then don't bother responding in the morning.

(I keep your useless ass on Iggy, so either way, I'll never see it)

 

[konradv]

Xi invited Trump.

Xi punked Trump.

 

[toobfreak]

Well, from the little leaked out so far, both Trump and Xi both have some red-line issues they are unwilling to concede, but I believe Trump holds an edge in that Trump has China by the Iran oil balls.

I might also add that aside from Musk and about 10 other business leaders from some of the biggest companies in the world being there, I understand that Hegseth is there as well, our Secretary of War, and captain of all in Iran that must be of greatest import to the chinese.

Who wouldn't want to be a spider under the table during this meeting?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Good to see you're having a doubt about the reasons presented.


Oh? What are they going to "pay the USA back big time" with? They have essentially no exports to raise capital. Their GDP is equal to North Carolina's.



He can't delcare war.


US Vessels have been attacked numerous times and we're conducting combat operations


Exactly the same bullsh!t Bush and Cheney fed us before going into Iraq. And we're still there.


Now that's funny. Defeating a backwards nation like Iran will do nothing to embolden your blob's claim to greatness. It's Iran. And he doesn't have a clue of what he is doing.


LOL... sure.

When he claims he has done the above...what will be the signs that it ACTUALLY happened?

China increased exports last year despite our tariffs.


LOL...sure.

Not currently.

 

[toobfreak]

You know they won't be flying that route. So many people fail to understand the great circle and navigation. It is very likely that AF-1 will be going over Canada, skirt along the east coast of Russia, and turn into China. Unless they have prior premission to traverse some of Russia to get to China.

BTW, DW, here is the confirmation that they indeed did take some fashion of polar route. It says here that AF-1 stopped off in Anchorage Alaska to pick up the CEO of Nvidia, so they had to be taking some trip across Canada, grazing Alaska, then either over the Arctic Ocean past Korea, of back down the Atlantic into Russia and near Japan.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5875767-nvidia-ceo-joins-trump-china-trip/

 

[toobfreak]

Well, here is how it looks like the deal is:

1. The greeting and presentation put on by China for Trump's arrival was one reserved for the highest officials according them the highest honors--- that tells us that China has a great deal hanging on this visit, much importance, which is leverage for the USA, and all China seeks in return are signs of friendship and respect... of a certain kind. We call that flexibility and cooperation.
2. CHINA: It looks like China wants to stay out of the mess in Iran both militarily and diplomatically, so at best, they will be pressuring Iran from behind the scenes. For China, of much greater value would be if they could swing the USA away from supporting, backing and defending Taiwan. China wants Taiwan back.
3. USA: What does the USA want from China? Take your pick: it could be leverage with Iran to bring the Persian Gulf to a resolution, cessation of fentanyl shipments, a new deal on rare earths, human rights issues and violations, trade--- the list is almost endless what Trump seeks in return.

What both powers seek is peaceful and harmonious mutual coexistence where we both get to do our own thing and stay out of each others way. Two men, Xi and Trump. Between the two they hold sway to 80% of the world in their hands.

 

[drudge X]

Well, here is how it looks like the deal is:

1. The greeting and presentation put on by China for Trump's arrival was one reserved for the highest officials according them the highest honors--- that tells us that China has a great deal hanging on this visit, much importance, which is leverage for the USA, and all China seeks in return are signs of friendship and respect... of a certain kind. We call that flexibility and cooperation.
2. CHINA: It looks like China wants to stay out of the mess in Iran both militarily and diplomatically, so at best, they will be pressuring Iran from behind the scenes. For China, of much greater value would be if they could swing the USA away from supporting, backing and defending Taiwan. China wants Taiwan back.
3. USA: What does the USA want from China? Take your pick: it could be leverage with Iran to bring the Persian Gulf to a resolution, cessation of fentanyl shipments, a new deal on rare earths, human rights issues and violations, trade--- the list is almost endless what Trump seeks in return.

What both powers seek is peaceful and harmonious mutual coexistence where we both get to do our own thing and stay out of each others way. Two men, Xi and Trump. Between the two they hold sway to 80% of the world in their hands.

I believe US holds 70 and China holds 10. All developed nations have no intentions to open their market fully to China, especially EVs, despite how much they loathe Trump. Canada is giving Trump the cold shoulder by allowing limited Chinese EVs into the country. Could be their strategy until Trump leaves office.

Trump literally got rid of China's presence in the Western hemisphere with the exception of Argentina where China has a few insignificance footprints. China can only pressure developing and undeveloped countries but those countries do not have the market to sustain China's economy. Look at their aviation industry. Not one developed nation places an order for their homemade plane. China has been waiting for the FAA to certify but the FAA is dragging its feet for reason we already know.

As for their AI, no business in the US, western Europe, S. Korea, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand is silly enough to use Chinese made AI to compromise their network. Whatever the case, China needs US market to fuel their economy. You could say that decades of manipulating their currency and industrial espionage are coming back to haunt them.

If a Democrat is back in office, US influence would shrink.