Universal Healthcare

[gipper]

/—-/ It’s called free market.

Yep, those with the most money get the best care. Those with no money get no healthcare. It's such a simple elegant system, you have to wonder why everyone is not embracing it.
It's also referred to as survival of the fittest.

In the richest nation the world has ever seen, we can’t have healthcare for all like much of the rest of the world. Somehow they make work, but we can’t.

Medicare for all would be cheaper than the shitshow we have now, but those big corporations wouldn’t be flush with cash to buy off the politicians. So, no go. Sorry. We Americans must protect the extraordinarily wealthy first and foremost.

/—-/ How thick can you be? They do it because the US supplies their national defense you dolt. As the president pushes them to pay their fair share of NATO expect those freebies to shrink drastically.

**** that too. We need to bring all our hired killers home. Mind our own business. Then turn the pentagon into affordable housing, terminate the CIA, NSA, NATO, ETC....

Please read....Koch-Backed Think Tank Finds That “Medicare for All” Would Cut Health Care Spending and Raise Wages. Whoops.

Medicare for All would reduce quality, especially if coupled with the liberal idea of outlawing private pay health care and insurance.

No.

 

[Polishprince]

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

**** that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a ******* scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

In actuality, America has superb health care. Customers can choose the kind of health care they want as well as the price point they want to pay.

People come from all over the world to practice the art of medicine and the allied health sciences here. Every time you turn on TV, new ailments and new treatments are being discovered and promoted. Plagues which have scourged mankind have been virtually conquered in America, everything from Polio to ED.

Although Joe Biden was charged by President Obama to cure cancer and that doofus failed.

Yet our life expectancy is dropping, while costs continue to rise.

US life expectancy has been declining. Here's why

I haven't found that to be the case at all. Most of my relatives have made it past 85, and many into their 90's.

 

[gipper]

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

**** that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a ******* scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

In actuality, America has superb health care. Customers can choose the kind of health care they want as well as the price point they want to pay.

People come from all over the world to practice the art of medicine and the allied health sciences here. Every time you turn on TV, new ailments and new treatments are being discovered and promoted. Plagues which have scourged mankind have been virtually conquered in America, everything from Polio to ED.

Although Joe Biden was charged by President Obama to cure cancer and that doofus failed.

Yet our life expectancy is dropping, while costs continue to rise.

US life expectancy has been declining. Here's why

I haven't found that to be the case at all. Most of my relatives have made it past 85, and many into their 90's.

Are you aware of the definition of anecdotal?

 

[Thinker101]

63,000 Canadians left the country for medical treatment last year: Fraser Institute

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:11PM EDT

"A new report from the Fraser Institute estimates that more than 63,000 Canadians travelled abroad for medical care in 2016.

"The think-tank says that's a nearly 40-per-cent increase over the previous year, and may be related to long wait times for medical procedures in Canada. But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.

Your second link is worth reading, though it is too long for the willfully ignorant (those who only read the headline). At the end of the link, the top five best health care systems are Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Canada.

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

 

[Flopper]

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

**** that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a ******* scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

What I'm proposing is Medicare for All but a slow implementation in which we can control the rate of transfer. Sander's plan would probably end up with a long implementation.

Remember whatever plan goes to congress will be a compromise between the House and Senate, between Republicans and Democrats, and of course the president. The elephant in the room will be big Pharma, the healthcare providers, and insurance companies. A lot of the problems in Obamacare was caused by comprises with rather divergent groups.

The best plan would be a plan that both parties would agree to or at least accept, otherwise with every election there will be an effort to repeal the plan when what is needed is changes to make our healthcare system work as best it can as problems become apparent.

 

[Polishprince]

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

**** that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a ******* scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

Agree to an extent. Before the ACA what you claimed was true. The effort to make health insurance fair, affordable and available to all is half way to Medicare for all.

The only Rebuttal of those 1% rs who profited from health insurance before the ACA, and while it was debated was their fear mongering, and claim it was Socialism, or a creeping form of Socialism.

If every citizen is provided affordable preventative health care, we would be dollars ahead in the long run. Profiteer's don't look into the future, they want their money and as much as they can grab, immediately.

Right now, Medicare Tax is 1.45% for employers, 1.45% for employees, self employed pay both ends. In addition, recipients pay $135 a month premium for Part B.

How much would it have to be raised to have "Medicare for All"? Right now only a minority are on Medicare.

Further, Medicare only pays 80% of the UCR, people would still need medigap coverage.

 

[Polishprince]

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

**** that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a ******* scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

What I'm proposing is Medicare for All but a slow implementation in which we can control the rate of transfer. Sander's plan would probably end up with long implementation plans.

Remember whatever plan goes to congress will be a comprise between the House and Senate, between Republicans and Democrats, and of course the president. Of course elephant in room will be big Pharma, the healthcare providers, and insurances. A log of problems in Obamacare was caused by comprises with rather divergent groups.

So , you don't think it should be done the same as O'care was? Where the details were hidden until it was passed?

 

[gipper]

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:11PM EDT

"A new report from the Fraser Institute estimates that more than 63,000 Canadians travelled abroad for medical care in 2016.

"The think-tank says that's a nearly 40-per-cent increase over the previous year, and may be related to long wait times for medical procedures in Canada. But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.

Your second link is worth reading, though it is too long for the willfully ignorant (those who only read the headline). At the end of the link, the top five best health care systems are Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Canada.

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

 

[Thinker101]

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

 

[gipper]

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

**** that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a ******* scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

What I'm proposing is Medicare for All but a slow implementation in which we can control the rate of transfer. Sander's plan would probably end up with a long implementation.

Remember whatever plan goes to congress will be a compromise between the House and Senate, between Republicans and Democrats, and of course the president. The elephant in the room will be big Pharma, the healthcare providers, and insurance companies. A lot of the problems in Obamacare was caused by comprises with rather divergent groups.

The best plan would be a plan that both parties would agree to or at least accept, otherwise with every election there will be an effort to repeal the plan when what is needed is changes to make our healthcare system work as best it can as problems become apparent.

Again, **** that. Medicare for all has been proven to be cheaper and much more effective. Just do it.

 

[Polishprince]

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

Everyone gets very sick and dies , if they live long enough.

And people are living longer, a lot longer, here in America. The number of people making it to their 90's and beyond has gone up exponentially.

More Americans living to age 90 and older; number of nonagenarians tripled over past three decades

 

[gipper]

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one ********** can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

 

[Polishprince]

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

**** that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a ******* scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

What I'm proposing is Medicare for All but a slow implementation in which we can control the rate of transfer. Sander's plan would probably end up with a long implementation.

Remember whatever plan goes to congress will be a compromise between the House and Senate, between Republicans and Democrats, and of course the president. The elephant in the room will be big Pharma, the healthcare providers, and insurance companies. A lot of the problems in Obamacare was caused by comprises with rather divergent groups.

The best plan would be a plan that both parties would agree to or at least accept, otherwise with every election there will be an effort to repeal the plan when what is needed is changes to make our healthcare system work as best it can as problems become apparent.

Again, **** that. Medicare for all has been proven to be cheaper and much more effective. Just do it.

MFA hasn't been enacted yet, how can it be determined "cheaper" or "more effective"? Just because its liberal promoters say it will be, doesn't mean shit.

I guess it will be great for Medigap insurance agents, the tax collectors.

 

[Polishprince]

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one ********** can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

The details are way too complicated to discuss here. The premise on the left, is everyone ought to receive affordable preventative health care; the premise on the right is, health care ought to be a free market enterprise.

Pretty much

 

[Thinker101]

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one ********** can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Considering the last guesstimate I saw was $32 Trillion, "we" don't have enough money.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

My insurance covers terrible diseases

 

[Flopper]

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

**** that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a ******* scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

In actuality, America has superb health care. Customers can choose the kind of health care they want as well as the price point they want to pay.

People come from all over the world to practice the art of medicine and the allied health sciences here. Every time you turn on TV, new ailments and new treatments are being discovered and promoted. Plagues which have scourged mankind have been virtually conquered in America, everything from Polio to ED.

Although Joe Biden was charged by President Obama to cure cancer and that doofus failed.

Yet our life expectancy is dropping, while costs continue to rise.

US life expectancy has been declining. Here's why

If you take a look at the link, you'll see the 3 major causes of the decrease in life span. All 3 of these causes are associated mostly with younger to middle age adults.

• Drug Overdoes which are most common among young to middle age adults
• An increase in liver disease which is primarily due to increased alcohol consumption in men age 25 to 34.
• Increases in National Suicide Rate with biggest increase in ages 25 to 44.

Although these are healthcare issues, they are also social issues that the healthcare system can not fix on it's on.

 

[gipper]

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one ********** can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a ******* psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this ********** could help, but doesn’t.

 

[Thinker101]

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

My insurance covers terrible diseases

Sure hope it's not Obamacare, the deductible is far worse than most terrible diseases.