Trump may have already changed his mind after today's market carnage.

[ThisIsMe]

There are no other tariffs to be dropped. Trump is lying about everything.

So...no countries have tariffs on the united states? There are web pages that say otherwise.

You keep talking like Trump is telling you the truth about international trade and HE'S NOT.

Trump think that if you have a trade deficit, it's because you're getting screwed.

No, I didn't say that. I understand trade deficits will exist, those can't always be avoided. I said, that tariffs can be eliminated. Tariffs serve only one purpose, to discourage citizens from buying an imported item over one made in their country.

If you want free trade, both sides need to he at zero.

American companies decided to offshore your jobs. Nobody "stole" them from you.

Yes, they decided to offshore the jobs...because it's cheaper...because of high taxes and over regulation. Also because of labor rates.

But other first world nations paid for retraining their displaced workers, and steered them into growth industries. The USA did nothing for the workers.

That's because we are not a socialist nation....yet.....

 

[Lesh]

So...no countries have tariffs on the united states? There are web pages that say otherwise.



No, I didn't say that. I understand trade deficits will exist, those can't always be avoided. I said, that tariffs can be eliminated. Tariffs serve only one purpose, to discourage citizens from buying an imported item over one made in their country.

If you want free trade, both sides need to he at zero.



Yes, they decided to offshore the jobs...because it's cheaper...because of high taxes and over regulation. Also because of labor rates.



That's because we are not a socialist nation....yet.....

Do you think we’ll ever become a major garment maker again?

Should we?

If not then what the **** is this about…

 

[ThisIsMe]

Do you think we’ll ever become a major garment maker again?

Should we?

If not then what the **** is this about…

Making clothing items? I don't see why we can't.

 

[Lesh]

Making clothing items? I don't see why we can't.

Wages for one. In order to make affordable garments we’d have to find people willing to work for like $5/ hr or less. And given other costs involved in manufacturing in this country that would make clothing cost a lot more than we pay now.

So who’s going to do that work?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Wages for one. In order to make affordable garments we’d have to find people willing to work for like $5/ hr or less. And given other costs involved in manufacturing in this country that would make clothing cost a lot more than we pay now.

So who’s going to do that work?

labor will go up, but you can offset that with tax incentives.

Should we be supporting slave labor of other countries?


And I'm not talking about stopping imports, we can still have those if needed, but building "Made in America" should be viewed as a good thing.

 

[Dragonlady]

So...no countries have tariffs on the united states? There are web pages that say otherwise.



No, I didn't say that. I understand trade deficits will exist, those can't always be avoided. I said, that tariffs can be eliminated. Tariffs serve only one purpose, to discourage citizens from buying an imported item over one made in their country.

If you want free trade, both sides need to he at zero.



Yes, they decided to offshore the jobs...because it's cheaper...because of high taxes and over regulation. Also because of labor rates.



That's because we are not a socialist nation....yet.....

You have to look at each individual tariff, and the purpose behind it. Canada only applies tariffs to American dairy products when they exceed the "quotas" as set out in the USMCA Agreement.

Canada's dairy industry is all quota driven, and American farmers, which create enough excess to destroy the Canadian dairy industry, have been happy to work within our quota system. Our dairy, and poultry industries, are both quota driven to ensure both stable supply, and economic stability for our farmers.

Our quota system is what has protected Canada from the effects of bird flu, since we don't have mega producers with hundreds of thousands of birds in their flock. You want to sell dairy in Canada, you abide by USMCA.

There was no effort to only place tariffs on items which are made in the USA. For example, the most popular beverage in America is coffee, yet coffee isn't grown in the USA - anywhere. So what's the point of putting a tariff on coffee? Or aluminum, or potash? You don't produce it, and you don't have it.

Both sides can never be at zero. The USA only produces high end goods that the people in China, Viet Nam, and Brazil cannot afford to buy. 2nd and 3rd world countries cannot afford your first world prices.

"Yes, they decided to offshore the jobs...because it's cheaper...because of high taxes and over regulation. Also because of labor rates."

Yes, but they didn't LOWER prices to reflect their lower costs. They simply pocketed the cash. By the end of 2008, American corporations were awash in cash, and nowhere to spend it.

And then they claimed "business expenses" for the costs of the relocation of manufacturing offshore, and received a tax break for the move.

 

[Nostra]

Trump says he’s open to tariff negotiations, contradicting White House aides: Live updates​

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/trump-tariffs-live-updates-stock-market-trade-war.html

He may change his mind a few more times in the next 24 hours. Who knows? Cuz heck, it's only the health of the global economy at stake here.

This thread didn’t age well, huh berg80

 

[Marener]

Making clothing items? I don't see why we can't.

Why would you want to? That sounds like a shit job.

 

[krichton]

You have to look at each individual tariff, and the purpose behind it. Canada only applies tariffs to American dairy products when they exceed the "quotas" as set out in the USMCA Agreement.

Canada's dairy industry is all quota driven, and American farmers, which create enough excess to destroy the Canadian dairy industry, have been happy to work within our quota system. Our dairy, and poultry industries, are both quota driven to ensure both stable supply, and economic stability for our farmers.

Our quota system is what has protected Canada from the effects of bird flu, since we don't have mega producers with hundreds of thousands of birds in their flock. You want to sell dairy in Canada, you abide by USMCA.

There was no effort to only place tariffs on items which are made in the USA. For example, the most popular beverage in America is coffee, yet coffee isn't grown in the USA - anywhere. So what's the point of putting a tariff on coffee? Or aluminum, or potash? You don't produce it, and you don't have it.

Both sides can never be at zero. The USA only produces high end goods that the people in China, Viet Nam, and Brazil cannot afford to buy. 2nd and 3rd world countries cannot afford your first world prices.

"Yes, they decided to offshore the jobs...because it's cheaper...because of high taxes and over regulation. Also because of labor rates."

Yes, but they didn't LOWER prices to reflect their lower costs. They simply pocketed the cash. By the end of 2008, American corporations were awash in cash, and nowhere to spend it.

And then they claimed "business expenses" for the costs of the relocation of manufacturing offshore, and received a tax break for the move.

Also, for the record, those dairy quotas are never exceeded, by a country mile. Canada's tariffs on dairy are essentially nonexistent. We have free trade.

 

[krichton]

This thread didn’t age well, huh berg80

Lutnick and Navarro say one thing and Trump says the complete opposite on tariffs. How has this changed even if both those doofuses retracted their statements, which I'm not certain they did, they still made them.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You have to look at each individual tariff, and the purpose behind it. Canada only applies tariffs to American dairy products when they exceed the "quotas" as set out in the USMCA Agreement.

Canada's dairy industry is all quota driven, and American farmers, which create enough excess to destroy the Canadian dairy industry, have been happy to work within our quota system. Our dairy, and poultry industries, are both quota driven to ensure both stable supply, and economic stability for our farmers.

Our quota system is what has protected Canada from the effects of bird flu, since we don't have mega producers with hundreds of thousands of birds in their flock. You want to sell dairy in Canada, you abide by USMCA.

There was no effort to only place tariffs on items which are made in the USA. For example, the most popular beverage in America is coffee, yet coffee isn't grown in the USA - anywhere. So what's the point of putting a tariff on coffee? Or aluminum, or potash? You don't produce it, and you don't have it.

Both sides can never be at zero. The USA only produces high end goods that the people in China, Viet Nam, and Brazil cannot afford to buy. 2nd and 3rd world countries cannot afford your first world prices.

But did america have such tariffs on canadian products?

"Yes, they decided to offshore the jobs...because it's cheaper...because of high taxes and over regulation. Also because of labor rates."

Yes, but they didn't LOWER prices to reflect their lower costs. They simply pocketed the cash. By the end of 2008, American corporations were awash in cash, and nowhere to spend it.

And then they claimed "business expenses" for the costs of the relocation of manufacturing offshore, and received a tax break for the move.

Imagine that...leftys always complain about the greedy businessman who's ultra rich, yet they support the practices that make those people wealthy...like you said, they were awash in cash.

How about we give them incentives to stay in america, and keep the markets open to make them want to be competitive with pricing, but make sure we have free trade so they have equal access to other markets, like those markets do here.

It isn't fair to have foreign auto makers to be able to compete in the American market against American auto companies, but we can't compete in foreign markets against their auto companies.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Why would you want to? That sounds like a shit job.

Some may like it.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Hahaha!

 

[krichton]

correct, so, back to the original point, WE get shafted in other markets because they tariffs our goods where we might not have been putting tariffs on theirs.

True reciprocal tariffs help to balance the field.

Also, if tariffs were so bad, nobody would do it.

They are used in order to incentivize people to buy things made in their own country as opposed to buying imported goods.

this hurts us when we don't respond in kind because it means they sell a lot of their goods in our country and we dont sell as much in theirs.

To even that field, if they want to be able to do business in our markets, they need to drop tariffs so we can do business in theirs

Countries might impose a tariff on a particular product in order to protect that industry. The US does the exact same shit. It helps to maintain a competitive balance. Imposing a universal tariff on all imports because you're butthurt the exporting country isn't buying enough from us even though they're 20-100x smaller in population and economy is literally the most braindead logic on the planet. It makes even less sense when you tariff products that we don't even make here! You're not "evening the playing field" with a universal tariff on 100 countries, what you're doing is setting yourself up for economic collapse.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Stop saying stupid shit

He's wired that way.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

What do I mean? Stay tuned.

So, you don't have a clue.

 

[citygator]

Hahaha!

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Self owned here. Trump puts his shitty policies on hold and market goes up. He implements them and it crashes. The market hates Trump’s ideas. Good post.

 

[Lesh]

Self owned here. Trump puts his shitty policies on hold and market goes up. He implements them and it crashes. The market hates Trump’s ideas. Good post.

And he only backtracked because the bond market was collapsing

 

[berg80]

Do you think we’ll ever become a major garment maker again?

Should we?

If not then what the **** is this about…

The average wage of a textile worker in the US is $17-20 dollars an hour. In countries where the work has been offshored it's $2. The manufacturing of clothes is never coming back to the US and neither is the manufacturing of most things.

 

[Meister]

So, you don't have a clue.

Stay tuned, doesn't happen overnight usually. Well there was 4-9-2025 going for him.
We gave Biden 4 years and the auto pen never got it right.