Top Ten Countries With Best Public Health Care

[Polishprince]

LordBrownTrout I live in florida where lots of canadians spend their time-----when they get really sick, instead of waiting in canada with their rationed care for things like hip surgery---they come to the US to have it done. Canadas health care suck.

Hip surgery is not an urgent need. Most people go for years before they finally get it.
I would get it done for free in Canada rather than pay $100,000 here

Hip surgery is a lot more urgent than a Sex Change or an abortion, I'll tell you that for sure.

It isn't an "emergency" but it is needed, particularly in the current age where more and more doctors are hesitant to help their patients cope with the pain with oxy scrips.

If I needed it, I would rather get it done by a Competent surgeon, not some socialized medicine quack. Its still a medical challenge, and even native born Canadians like Alex Trebek come to America when they have a health challenge instead of relying on Canada's failed system.

You have to wait for hip surgery in Canada, maybe six months, but you will not receive a bill

In the US, you may wait six weeks and face a substantial bill later

You are not addressing the issue of "Quality" here at all, and that's where your argument fails.

American surgeons are the finest in the world, and the best always costs more. When British subject Mick Jagger needed complicated heart surgery, he came to America even though he could have received the procedure for less in England.


BTW, if America wasn't next door to Canada, the wait for hips would be a lot longer there. The American medical system provides an alternative for Canadians who care about their health and won't wait.

Wrong.
Average health care in the US is much WORSE than the rest of the world.
The fact we have a few of the finest doctors does not mean we get the advantage from them.
Only the very wealthy do.

Interesting point of view. So the quality of medical care in America is strictly shit for the most part, in your opinion?
What would you suggest be done to bring our current doctors and nurse up to speed?

 

[Harry Dresden]

LordBrownTrout I live in florida where lots of canadians spend their time-----when they get really sick, instead of waiting in canada with their rationed care for things like hip surgery---they come to the US to have it done. Canadas health care suck.

Hip surgery is not an urgent need. Most people go for years before they finally get it.
I would get it done for free in Canada rather than pay $100,000 here

Hip surgery is a lot more urgent than a Sex Change or an abortion, I'll tell you that for sure.

It isn't an "emergency" but it is needed, particularly in the current age where more and more doctors are hesitant to help their patients cope with the pain with oxy scrips.

If I needed it, I would rather get it done by a Competent surgeon, not some socialized medicine quack. Its still a medical challenge, and even native born Canadians like Alex Trebek come to America when they have a health challenge instead of relying on Canada's failed system.

You have to wait for hip surgery in Canada, maybe six months, but you will not receive a bill

In the US, you may wait six weeks and face a substantial bill later

i have met many people who got that surgery including my mother-in-law who was on SS....no bills.....

 

[Polishprince]

LordBrownTrout I live in florida where lots of canadians spend their time-----when they get really sick, instead of waiting in canada with their rationed care for things like hip surgery---they come to the US to have it done. Canadas health care suck.

Hip surgery is not an urgent need. Most people go for years before they finally get it.
I would get it done for free in Canada rather than pay $100,000 here

Hip surgery is a lot more urgent than a Sex Change or an abortion, I'll tell you that for sure.

It isn't an "emergency" but it is needed, particularly in the current age where more and more doctors are hesitant to help their patients cope with the pain with oxy scrips.

If I needed it, I would rather get it done by a Competent surgeon, not some socialized medicine quack. Its still a medical challenge, and even native born Canadians like Alex Trebek come to America when they have a health challenge instead of relying on Canada's failed system.

You have to wait for hip surgery in Canada, maybe six months, but you will not receive a bill

In the US, you may wait six weeks and face a substantial bill later

i have met many people who got that surgery including my mother-in-law who was on SS....no bills.....

My mum had total hip replacement as well, and it didn't send her to the poorhouse either.

 

[Rigby5]

LordBrownTrout I live in florida where lots of canadians spend their time-----when they get really sick, instead of waiting in canada with their rationed care for things like hip surgery---they come to the US to have it done. Canadas health care suck.

Hip surgery is not an urgent need. Most people go for years before they finally get it.
I would get it done for free in Canada rather than pay $100,000 here

Hip surgery is a lot more urgent than a Sex Change or an abortion, I'll tell you that for sure.

It isn't an "emergency" but it is needed, particularly in the current age where more and more doctors are hesitant to help their patients cope with the pain with oxy scrips.

If I needed it, I would rather get it done by a Competent surgeon, not some socialized medicine quack. Its still a medical challenge, and even native born Canadians like Alex Trebek come to America when they have a health challenge instead of relying on Canada's failed system.

You have to wait for hip surgery in Canada, maybe six months, but you will not receive a bill

In the US, you may wait six weeks and face a substantial bill later

You are not addressing the issue of "Quality" here at all, and that's where your argument fails.

American surgeons are the finest in the world, and the best always costs more. When British subject Mick Jagger needed complicated heart surgery, he came to America even though he could have received the procedure for less in England.


BTW, if America wasn't next door to Canada, the wait for hips would be a lot longer there. The American medical system provides an alternative for Canadians who care about their health and won't wait.

Wrong.
Average health care in the US is much WORSE than the rest of the world.
The fact we have a few of the finest doctors does not mean we get the advantage from them.
Only the very wealthy do.

Interesting point of view. So the quality of medical care in America is strictly shit for the most part, in your opinion?
What would you suggest be done to bring our current doctors and nurse up to speed?

The problem with current health care in the US is that insurance companies what to ration it so that they can make more money.
Insurance companies have established layers of health care corporations, each intent only on skimming as much money as possible.
All those unproductive, blood sucking layers, have to eliminated.
We can go back to the simple but direct health care we had in the 50's, or replace the layers of health profiteers by using government instead.
Does not much matter which path we choose, as long as health care no longer involves insurance companies in any way.
They are the corrupting influence.
And they came about by the IRS changes allowing tax exempt employer benefits to employees.
That should never have happened, and is how insurance companies took over.

 

[Rigby5]

LordBrownTrout I live in florida where lots of canadians spend their time-----when they get really sick, instead of waiting in canada with their rationed care for things like hip surgery---they come to the US to have it done. Canadas health care suck.

Hip surgery is not an urgent need. Most people go for years before they finally get it.
I would get it done for free in Canada rather than pay $100,000 here

Hip surgery is a lot more urgent than a Sex Change or an abortion, I'll tell you that for sure.

It isn't an "emergency" but it is needed, particularly in the current age where more and more doctors are hesitant to help their patients cope with the pain with oxy scrips.

If I needed it, I would rather get it done by a Competent surgeon, not some socialized medicine quack. Its still a medical challenge, and even native born Canadians like Alex Trebek come to America when they have a health challenge instead of relying on Canada's failed system.

You have to wait for hip surgery in Canada, maybe six months, but you will not receive a bill

In the US, you may wait six weeks and face a substantial bill later

i have met many people who got that surgery including my mother-in-law who was on SS....no bills.....

My wife also got both hips done.
About $2000 a piece.
But that was Medicare.
Which is socialized, not private health insurance.

 

[rightwinger]

LordBrownTrout I live in florida where lots of canadians spend their time-----when they get really sick, instead of waiting in canada with their rationed care for things like hip surgery---they come to the US to have it done. Canadas health care suck.

Hip surgery is not an urgent need. Most people go for years before they finally get it.
I would get it done for free in Canada rather than pay $100,000 here

Hip surgery is a lot more urgent than a Sex Change or an abortion, I'll tell you that for sure.

It isn't an "emergency" but it is needed, particularly in the current age where more and more doctors are hesitant to help their patients cope with the pain with oxy scrips.

If I needed it, I would rather get it done by a Competent surgeon, not some socialized medicine quack. Its still a medical challenge, and even native born Canadians like Alex Trebek come to America when they have a health challenge instead of relying on Canada's failed system.

You have to wait for hip surgery in Canada, maybe six months, but you will not receive a bill

In the US, you may wait six weeks and face a substantial bill later

i have met many people who got that surgery including my mother-in-law who was on SS....no bills.....

Depends on your coverage
Most people have 80 percent coverage, many can only afford much less.
It s free in Canada

 

[Polishprince]

LordBrownTrout I live in florida where lots of canadians spend their time-----when they get really sick, instead of waiting in canada with their rationed care for things like hip surgery---they come to the US to have it done. Canadas health care suck.

Hip surgery is not an urgent need. Most people go for years before they finally get it.
I would get it done for free in Canada rather than pay $100,000 here

Hip surgery is a lot more urgent than a Sex Change or an abortion, I'll tell you that for sure.

It isn't an "emergency" but it is needed, particularly in the current age where more and more doctors are hesitant to help their patients cope with the pain with oxy scrips.

If I needed it, I would rather get it done by a Competent surgeon, not some socialized medicine quack. Its still a medical challenge, and even native born Canadians like Alex Trebek come to America when they have a health challenge instead of relying on Canada's failed system.

You have to wait for hip surgery in Canada, maybe six months, but you will not receive a bill

In the US, you may wait six weeks and face a substantial bill later

i have met many people who got that surgery including my mother-in-law who was on SS....no bills.....

Depends on your coverage
Most people have 80 percent coverage, many can only afford much less.
It s free in Canada

It isn't "free" anywhere. The taxpayers get subjected to more financial assrapery in Canada.

And besides, the question isn't "price", its QUALITY of service as well as QUICKNESS of service. Something libs never even address. In countries like Canada, they delay treatments for long periods of time, hoping the patients die first so they don't have to do it. Orthodpedic surgeons never go to the morgue to replace the hips of patients before they are interred, regardless of how long they've been on the list.

And QUALITY is the issue. Canadian subject Alex Trebec had a very serious health crisis. He didn't go for the "free" treatment of his native land, but had his procedures done in America. Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

 

[rightwinger]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

 

[Harry Dresden]

LordBrownTrout I live in florida where lots of canadians spend their time-----when they get really sick, instead of waiting in canada with their rationed care for things like hip surgery---they come to the US to have it done. Canadas health care suck.

Hip surgery is not an urgent need. Most people go for years before they finally get it.
I would get it done for free in Canada rather than pay $100,000 here

Hip surgery is a lot more urgent than a Sex Change or an abortion, I'll tell you that for sure.

It isn't an "emergency" but it is needed, particularly in the current age where more and more doctors are hesitant to help their patients cope with the pain with oxy scrips.

If I needed it, I would rather get it done by a Competent surgeon, not some socialized medicine quack. Its still a medical challenge, and even native born Canadians like Alex Trebek come to America when they have a health challenge instead of relying on Canada's failed system.

You have to wait for hip surgery in Canada, maybe six months, but you will not receive a bill

In the US, you may wait six weeks and face a substantial bill later

i have met many people who got that surgery including my mother-in-law who was on SS....no bills.....

Depends on your coverage
Most people have 80 percent coverage, many can only afford much less.
It s free in Canada

if i dont pay for anything whenever i see someone....then its "free" for me too.....

 

[Polishprince]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

 

[rightwinger]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Yet, international ratings place the overall quality of Canadian healthcare as good as ours

 

[Polishprince]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Yet, international ratings place the overall quality of Canadian healthcare as good as ours

yet , Alex Trebek came here to America when he had his health crisis. And thousands of Canadian patients cross the border for treatment every years.

"international ratings" are based on how socialist-friendlythe policies are, not their quality.

Elite Canadians I'm sure are perfectly happy with the current risky scheme up there.

 

[rightwinger]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Yet, international ratings place the overall quality of Canadian healthcare as good as ours

yet , Alex Trebek came here to America when he had his health crisis. And thousands of Canadian patients cross the border for treatment every years.

"international ratings" are based on how socialist-friendlythe policies are, not their quality.

Elite Canadians I'm sure are perfectly happy with the current risky scheme up there.

Then again, Canadian citizens living n the US will run back across the border to get free healthcare

 

[Polishprince]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Yet, international ratings place the overall quality of Canadian healthcare as good as ours

yet , Alex Trebek came here to America when he had his health crisis. And thousands of Canadian patients cross the border for treatment every years.

"international ratings" are based on how socialist-friendlythe policies are, not their quality.

Elite Canadians I'm sure are perfectly happy with the current risky scheme up there.

Then again, Canadian citizens living n the US will run back across the border to get free healthcare

Not if they have a serious health problem, like Alex Trebek.

Then, they are more likely to rely on good old AMERICAN ingenuity.

 

[Stryder50]

So you want to kill all the down syndrome babies like Denmark does to get our score higher?

Linky linky

Common knowledge

Linky, linky

We had threads on it here

Something you will never see in a socialist country say as in a Denmark sporting event.

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I agree with you on that one
It is a disgusting practice
Almost as bad as China aborting females.

But it is an indictment of Denmark’s society not their healthcare system

NO!
Both.
Their "healthcare system" is a result of their society/social standards, same as with any other nation.

 

[Stryder50]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Yet, international ratings place the overall quality of Canadian healthcare as good as ours

yet , Alex Trebek came here to America when he had his health crisis. And thousands of Canadian patients cross the border for treatment every years.

"international ratings" are based on how socialist-friendlythe policies are, not their quality.

Elite Canadians I'm sure are perfectly happy with the current risky scheme up there.

Then again, Canadian citizens living n the US will run back across the border to get free healthcare

"Free" to them only because their fellow citizens are paying for it.
BTW, not just those Canadians "living in the US". Many whom live in Canada and don't want to wait until "their turn" comes up; think they may need medical care sooner, and can afford out of pocket, will come down here to the USA. I live near that border and have seen it often.

 

[Rigby5]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Socialized medicine is always better quality because the people vote based on the quality of their health care under socialism.
With a for profits private health care system, you prepay so have zero say in what ever quality they decide to give you, and their main motive is to please the stockholders, not the patients.

 

[Polishprince]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Yet, international ratings place the overall quality of Canadian healthcare as good as ours

yet , Alex Trebek came here to America when he had his health crisis. And thousands of Canadian patients cross the border for treatment every years.

"international ratings" are based on how socialist-friendlythe policies are, not their quality.

Elite Canadians I'm sure are perfectly happy with the current risky scheme up there.

Then again, Canadian citizens living n the US will run back across the border to get free healthcare

"Free" to them only because their fellow citizens are paying for it.
BTW, not just those Canadians "living in the US". Many whom live in Canada and don't want to wait until "their turn" comes up; think they may need medical care sooner, and can afford out of pocket, will come down here to the USA. I live near that border and have seen it often.

It just isn't health care that Canadian subjects like to cross the border over. A lot of Canadians like to travel here to Mercer County PA, and the tremendous Prime Outlets to avoid being punished with a VAT.

 

[Rigby5]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Yet, international ratings place the overall quality of Canadian healthcare as good as ours

yet , Alex Trebek came here to America when he had his health crisis. And thousands of Canadian patients cross the border for treatment every years.

"international ratings" are based on how socialist-friendlythe policies are, not their quality.

Elite Canadians I'm sure are perfectly happy with the current risky scheme up there.

Then again, Canadian citizens living n the US will run back across the border to get free healthcare

Not if they have a serious health problem, like Alex Trebek.

Then, they are more likely to rely on good old AMERICAN ingenuity.

Alex Trebek likey was a millionaire, could afford better health care than most people, and was not relying on insurance.
Most people in the US are not going to get care nearly as good as Trebek did, and he still died.

The millionaires are not coming to the US to get good old AMERICAN ingenuity, but the fact the US health care system pays so well that it will have the elite.
Paying well does not ensure the best quality.
In fact, the US is notorious for over 100,000 deaths a year from medical malpractice.

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The US has terrible quality and cost health care.

 

[Rigby5]

Quality was important to him, as it is to millions.

Actually it should read……as it is to millionaires

Our healthcare is tilted toward the wealthy
Those with marginal insurance can be bankrupted by a hospital stay

Again, you are ignoring the Quality issue in health care.

You talk as if its a "commodity" where its all the same.

How will a risky socialized medicine scheme help improve quality.

Yet, international ratings place the overall quality of Canadian healthcare as good as ours

yet , Alex Trebek came here to America when he had his health crisis. And thousands of Canadian patients cross the border for treatment every years.

"international ratings" are based on how socialist-friendlythe policies are, not their quality.

Elite Canadians I'm sure are perfectly happy with the current risky scheme up there.

Then again, Canadian citizens living n the US will run back across the border to get free healthcare

"Free" to them only because their fellow citizens are paying for it.
BTW, not just those Canadians "living in the US". Many whom live in Canada and don't want to wait until "their turn" comes up; think they may need medical care sooner, and can afford out of pocket, will come down here to the USA. I live near that border and have seen it often.

It just isn't health care that Canadian subjects like to cross the border over. A lot of Canadians like to travel here to Mercer County PA, and the tremendous Prime Outlets to avoid being punished with a VAT.

The 2 systems of taxation can be when you sell the goods and add the tax to the sale, or at the end of the year you compute the tax on income.
Neither is necessarily better than the other, but clearly it is advantageous for people in a VAT tax country to buy from an income tax country, because then they pay no tax on the goods they buy. But that really is cheating. VAT tax of Canada is no worse than the US income tax, maybe better.
The US likely should switch to VAT tax to conform to the rest of the world.