CIA "cooked the intelligence" to hide the fact that Putin wanted Hillary Clinton to win 2016 election

[para bellum]

Hi Para,

Why would they hack the RNC? They were working for the Trump administration.

CRC

Well yes, that's the point I was trying to make back in post #100.

Russian hackers were meddling in 2016, and they were going after both sides. They were just more successful attacking the DNC servers because they were poorly secured.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well yes, that's the point I was trying to make back in post #100.

Russian hackers were meddling in 2016, and they were going after both sides. They were just more successful attacking the DNC servers because they were poorly secured.

Russia hackers were operating at the direction of the Russian leadership.

Clearly the overall effort was skewed to get Trump in office. And it's not even a secret why. So the both sides ism kind of melts away.

 

[para bellum]

"One in the same"... surely you understand how it sounds.

The physical hardware is not the same as the domain. The domain can be hosted anywhere, mirrored on multiple servers, etc.

I get your point. And it Seems like the russians laid back a bit in the GOP.

Or the RNC had better cyber people. There was hacking and release of emails from both parties, which shows that it was not a one-sided thing.

 

[candycorn]

Well yes, that's the point I was trying to make back in post #100.

Russian hackers were meddling in 2016, and they were going after both sides. They were just more successful attacking the DNC servers because they were poorly secured.

Ok.

Always a pleasure.

 

[JGalt]

Jen Psaki?
Sergei Lavrov?

Ring any bells?

How can you expect candycorn to know who they were? She's what's known as a "low-information voter."

 

[para bellum]

Russia hackers were operating at the direction of the Russian leadership.

Clearly the overall effort was skewed to get Trump in office. And it's not even a secret why. So the both sides ism kind of melts away.

You are drawing a conclusion based on the success of the hacks. It was well established that efforts to hack both sides were made.

You can't blame the RNC for the DNC's poor cybersecurity and insecure passwords, or Podesta falling for a phishing attack.

It says nothing about the effort that was put in by the hackers, and everything about the IT people who were in charge.

 

[para bellum]

How can you expect candycorn to know who they were? She's what's known as a "low-information voter."

That's alright, she is usually receptive to information and that's more important imo.

99% of Americans would probably not recognize anyone in that pic, just to be fair...

 

[Dragonlady]

Poor thing. You just can't get over the fact that Hillary lost, and she won't be coming back.

Trump on the other hand, is the leading candidate in the polls.

No Democrats got over it right away, and then started working at getting Trump VOTED out of office - the legal way.

Republicans are busy gerrymandering, closing polling places in inner city neighbourhoods, and restricting the forms of ID and who can vote, instead of creating platforms and programs the PEOPLE will vote for.

The only poll that matters in the General Election next November, and Trump has NO chance of winning. That's an illusion. Trump is still losing 15% or more of the vote to Nicki Haley, and she dropped out of the race two months ago.

Trump LOST the last election and could ill afford to alienate any of his voters, but he has done NOTHING but lose support since losing in 2020.

• January 6th cost Trump the most support.
• His refusal to participate in the peaceful transfer of power cost him more
• The criminal indictments
• His attacks on the prosecutors, judges and juries in his trials
• All of the audio evidence of his attempted overthrow of the government
• His antics in the courtroom in the E. Jean Carroll trial and his continued behaviour in defaming her
• Verdicts in the Trump Corporation tax evasion, Fraud, and E. Jean Carroll civil trials.
• Stealing classified documents
• Roe v. Wade
• Promising to prosecute Democrats. He tried and failed to do that for 4 years when he was President.
• His Covid Response
• The WOMEN WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM and there are 8 million more women voters than men

The Polls also said that Hillary was way ahead, and look what happened there. The polls are meaningless.

 

[Dragonlady]

You are drawing a conclusion based on the success of the hacks. It was well established that efforts to hack both sides were made.

You can't blame the RNC for the DNC's poor cybersecurity and insecure passwords, or Podesta falling for a phishing attack.

It says nothing about the effort that was put in by the hackers, and everything about the IT people who were in charge.

There was no significant effort to hack Republicans. More of a half-hearted attempt to give the impression they weren't going after just Clintons. The Russians also made multiple attempts at the Clintons' private server and couldn't get into it either.

Where your "they didn't favour Trump" line breaks down is that Putin has made no secret of hatred of the Clintons and that he blamed them for Russian opposition to his rule:

 

[BlindBoo]

Ah, hotels, how cute. Don't be an idiot. I know that's asking a lot.

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal (Published 2015)

As the Russian atomic energy agency gradually took charge of a company that controls one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States, a stream of cash made its way to the former president’s charitable organization.

www.nytimes.com

The Clintons’ Neoliberal Dystopian Ties to Russia’s Billionaires

Elected officials have developed incestuous relationships with the world’s biggest corporations and wealthiest people.

observer.com

The Clinton Foundation, State and Kremlin Connections

“Clinton Cash” author Peter Schweizer writes about Hillary Clinton’s dealings with Russia as secretary of state: Why did Hillary’s State Department urge U.S. investors to fund Russian research for military uses?

www.wsj.com

https://www.philanthropy.com/article/opinion-clinton-foundation-donors-backed-russian-tech-venture/

Old debunked stuff you're recycling. But that's really all the Rabid Right ever had on Hillary. Why would Russia need to make any bribes to the US to buy Canadian ore mines? We were in the process of buying 500 tons worth of highly enriched Uranium from decommissioned Russian warheads at that time.

 

[BlindBoo]

Liar

Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open​

Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.

www.americanbar.org

Dumb fuck. Here's why.

From your link. "did not find sufficient evidence" of an illegal conspiracy which is what Mueller was looking for. There is no crime called collusion. He didn't have access to the Russian witnesses and couldn't find sufficient evidence of coordination with just one side of the conspiracy.

 

[Dragonlady]

Dumb fuck. Here's why.

From your link. "did not find sufficient evidence" of an illegal conspiracy which is what Mueller was looking for. There is no crime called collusion. He didn't have access to the Russian witnesses and couldn't find sufficient evidence of coordination with just one side of the conspiracy.

Plus witnesses like Roger Stone, Don Jr., and Flynn lied to the FBI so they didn't have the information on Stone's Russian contacts until much later.

 

[JGalt]

No Democrats got over it right away, and then started working at getting Trump VOTED out of office - the legal way.

Republicans are busy gerrymandering, closing polling places in inner city neighbourhoods, and restricting the forms of ID and who can vote, instead of creating platforms and programs the PEOPLE will vote for.

The only poll that matters in the General Election next November, and Trump has NO chance of winning. That's an illusion. Trump is still losing 15% or more of the vote to Nicki Haley, and she dropped out of the race two months ago.

Trump LOST the last election and could ill afford to alienate any of his voters, but he has done NOTHING but lose support since losing in 2020.

• January 6th cost Trump the most support.
• His refusal to participate in the peaceful transfer of power cost him more
• The criminal indictments
• His attacks on the prosecutors, judges and juries in his trials
• All of the audio evidence of his attempted overthrow of the government
• His antics in the courtroom in the E. Jean Carroll trial and his continued behaviour in defaming her
• Verdicts in the Trump Corporation tax evasion, Fraud, and E. Jean Carroll civil trials.
• Stealing classified documents
• Roe v. Wade
• Promising to prosecute Democrats. He tried and failed to do that for 4 years when he was President.
• His Covid Response
• The WOMEN WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM and there are 8 million more women voters than men

The Polls also said that Hillary was way ahead, and look what happened there. The polls are meaningless.

The fact that you folks are still doing everything you can think of to keep Donald Trump out of the race, should be screaming something very loudly into your ear right now.

But you can't hear that, can you? You can't hear that warning because all you can hear are your fake news media bobbleheads whispering soothing thoughts in your ear, telling you "Everything is alright" and "Trump will never be President."

And when you wake up the morning of Wednesday, November 6, 2024 to the worst nightmare you can imagine, I'll be here for you, and you're not going to like me very much.

 

[para bellum]

The Russians also made multiple attempts at the Clintons' private server and couldn't get into it either.

The FBI never examined the server, or the destroyed blackberries, etc. Your conclusion is completely baseless.

This is from the DOJ IG report. Chapter 6, on Comey's statement about not prosecuting Clinton.

"...The May 17 email also commented on language in the initial draft that it was “reasonably likely that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s private email account.”

Strzok stated:

"It is more accurate to say we know foreign actors obtained access to
some of her emails (including at least one Secret one) via compromises of the private email accounts of some of her staffers. It’s also accurate to say that a sophisticated foreign actor would likely have known about her private email domain, and would be competent enough not to leave a trace if they gained access. But we have seen no direct evidence they did."

 

[Dragonlady]

Hillary wasn't able to provide anything of tangible value. She just sold Russia access and influence for cash.

That's been investigated over and over and there isn't a shred of evidence that she did any such thing.

Trump on the other hand, doubled the intitiation fees at his East Coast golf clubs right after he was elected President. More than 200 untendered government contracts were gifted to his golf club members and their corporations.

Trump gets millions from golf members. CEOs and lobbyists get access to president

Wealthy people have a chance for close access to President Trump as a result of membership payments that enrich him personally.

www.usatoday.com

President Trump’s 3,400 conflicts of interest - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

As of September 21, President Trump has racked up 3,403 conflicts of interest. The list reads like an instruction manual for how not to drain the swamp.

www.citizensforethics.org

 

[Dragonlady]

The fact that you folks are still doing everything you can think of to keep Donald Trump out of the race, should be screaming something very loudly into your ear right now.

But you can't hear that, can you? You can't hear that warning because all you can hear are your fake news media bobbleheads whispering soothing thoughts in your ear, telling you "Everything is alright" and "Trump will never be President."

And when you wake up the morning of Wednesday, November 6, 2024 to the worst nightmare you can imagine, I'll be here for you, and you're not going to like me very much.

Trump could be right back on the campaign trail tomorrow, if he were to plead guilty and ask for sentencing to be postponed until after the election.

Trump is the one who has been dragging things out from day one with all of his appeals and filing stupid motions and appeals that he knows he'll lose - like his absolutely immunity claims.

 

[White 6]

The Mueller investigation found that there was no Russian collusion.

Did you miss that part or something?

No. It did not. Mueller specifically was not interested or looking for collusion, as was looking for crimes that could be prosecuted, as there is NO FEDERAL STATUTE ON COLLUSION.

Normal people know this, but Republicans have been pointing to no collusion charged by Mueller, even though he said in page 1 of the Mueller Report, it was not something he was looking for, while concentrating on actual crimes of people involved in the campaign. He found, referred or charged several successfully.

 

[JGalt]

No. It did not. Mueller specifically was not interested or looking for collusion, as was looking for crimes that could be prosecuted, as there is NO FEDERAL STATUTE ON COLLUSION.

Normal people know this, but Republicans have been pointing to no collusion charged by Mueller, even though he said in page 1 of the Mueller Report, it was not something he was looking for, while concentrating on actual crimes of people involved in the campaign. He found, referred or charged several successfully.

Every US citizen Mueller charged were for process crimes and having nothing to do with "Russian collusion." Mueller filed indictment against several Russian nationals and Russian companies, but there was no evidence of any Trump associate "colluding" with Russia to effect the outcome of the election.

All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation

 

[White 6]

Every US citizen Mueller charged were for process crimes and having nothing to do with "Russian collusion." Mueller filed indictment against several Russian nationals and Russian companies, but there was no evidence of any Trump associate "colluding" with Russia to effect the outcome of the election.

All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation

That pretty well proves what he said. It is not as if he failed to charge anybody with collusion if there is no law on the book regarding collusion. You might as well say he failed to charge anybody with farting loudly in a public library. Sure he didn't charge it, but again, no federal law against it, though it does make a bad smell.

You have access to the internet. Do a search. There isn't one. Almost no prosecutor (regular or special) is stupid enough to charge somebody with something not against the law. Why did you think trump liked to talk about it as often as he did? Much better to discuss something not against the laws regarding his campaign, than something against the law, that could lead back to him.

Wise up. Ya'lls collusion crap is just misdirection bullsht.

 

[para bellum]

Wise up. Ya'lls collusion crap is just misdirection bullsht.

That's a total cop-out. You know damn well it was the democrats and the media, the Clinton campaign, and US officials like Brennan and Clapper who were ALL accusing Trump of "colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 election". Schiff and Swalwell were going on MSNBC and CNN and saying they had seen the evidence. Brennan accused Trump of Treason on national tv. The NYT was publishing pieces on the subject on practically a continuous basis. CNN and MSNBC had nightly shows about it, and how Trump and his kids were about to be indicted, etc ad nauseum.

They were ALL calling it "collusion". Republicans were the ones saying that was a made up crime- that collusion was something that was only charged in financial crimes.

Didn't matter one bit. "Collusion" it was, and you people are still clinging to the theory to this day. This thread is just the 10,000th re-hashing of the same old bullshit.

Mueller said "conspiracy", not collusion. He also said that no one in the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian Gov't or IRA in any of their efforts to influence the election- something you people are still in denial over.

The Popadopolous meetings were setups, as was the infamous "Trump Tower" meeting.

BTW, Mueller didn't run that investigation, Andy Weissmann did. Mueller was just a figurehead. Mueller didn't even know who Fusion GPS or Glenn Simpson were.

The Dossier was a fraud- a complete fabrication by Igor Danchenko, typed up by Christopher Steele and passed to the FBI by Nelli Ohr, who worked for Fusion GPS and who's husband was the #3 guy in the Justice Dept.

The entire narrative was cooked up by dems and Trump haters in and out of the US Gov't, there was never a shred of truth to any claim. Just one endless stream of innuendo.

That makes anyone who peddles that garbage a lying sack of shit in my book...