Time to kill the filibuster

[Papageorgio]

Bear513 defends Putin once again

Putin v. Hitler. do you agree that these 2 tyrants are very similar in many ways ?
No - bear513

Putin isn't quite on the same level as Hitler, however Putin is an evil man that cannot and should not be trusted.

That's not bear513's position.

Putin is not evil.. - bear513

My position is that Putin is evil, I can't change others opinions.

 

[kyzr]

The democrats have no bi-partisan Bills to consider.
The democrat's and GOP policies are on different planets.

The Coronavirus bill didn't get a single republican vote. Yet republicans went home and bragged about bringing funding to their community.

The Coronavirus Bill passed 92-6, WTF are you talking about? Please post a link when you make statements.

Congress Passes $900 Billion Coronavirus Relief Bill, Ending Months-Long Stalemate

The legislation extending aid to unemployed, providing money for vaccine distribution and a round of $600 stimulus checks was attached to an annual government funding bill that tacked on other items.

www.npr.org

The Senate acted swiftly Monday night, in a 92-6 vote, to approve more than $900 billion for coronavirus assistance, shortly after the House of Representatives passed the package.

 

[meaner gene]

Not a problem. Pelosi will still have an investigation. Odd that repubs didn't want any input into it. Why do you think they didn't want to participate?

If they participate, they lend credence to the report.

If they don't take part at all, they can claim it's partisan "fake news", and their supporters would believe it.

 

[kyzr]

No need to kill it. Just make it painful enough to reduce it's use. Put it back to it's original form. Make them stand there and talk. And the onus is on party doing the fillibuster to come up with the votes (they stay and listen).

The filibuster is just fine the way it is, just ask Joe Manchin.

 

[Rambunctious]

Its not going to happen if I am hearing the only two level headed democrats in the senate correctly...besides you dems will rue the day that you did this...you won't be in power much longer....and then we will have the fillibusterless senate....remember we warned Reid and you all laughed and now the GOP has the Supreme court....be careful what you wish for....

Nothing says a few more seats on the court couldn't happen. It would be much more likely to happen in the current environment where repubs are the party of NO than it would be if there was even a small amount of cooperation. I would suggest you might be the one who should be careful of what you wish for.

That will never happen...the backlash across the nation would doom the dems for generations and the GOP would just switch it all back anyway....so please go for it....

If there was any chance the repubs would cooperate in any way, what you say might matter. Unfortunately, republicans have made it clear they will be the party of no for the foreseeable future. Refusing to cooperate on something as important as the insurrection investigation shows they intend to just act like petulant children for the next 4 years. If anything is to get done the filibuster has to go. We can't afford to go 4 years without taking care of the country's business. If your party insists on acting like selfish children, they will be treated like selfish children.

It depends on your meaning of cooperation...to the dems that are in office today cooperation means giving up on all of our principles to do things their way....if you want to place blame and only blame one side you are just what you accused the GOP of being... uncooperative....

 

[MisterBeale]

Compromise is synonymous with capitulation.

 

[meaner gene]

One thing I think would help is bizarrely making the filibuster stronger. Meaning that if SB1 is filibustered by Senator Jane Doe. SB2, SB3, SB4 etc.... are shelved until SB1 is addressed.

That's the way it used to work before they changed the rules to where they currently are.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol.

It's time to return the filibuster to the one we knew from "Mr. Smith goes to Washington". Or the time when Strom Thurmond set a record.
Today a filibuster doesn't even require anybody stand in the well of the senate and talk. So it's actually easier for a senator to filibuster, than to check his e-mail.

The cloture rule had been changed from requiring 2/3rds to override a filibuster, to the current 60 vote requirement. But there's an important difference. If the bulk of republicans don't show up, as few as 35 votes would stop the filibuster, as being 2/3rds of those present. But the current rule requires 60 votes, even if only 51 senators are in attendance.

If republicans want to obstruct, return the filibuster rules to how they used to be. Mend it, don't end it.

Both sides have enjoyed the filibuster, but the founding fathers never envisioned anything like it, and it was only created by accident in 1789

Filibuster in the United States Senate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[meaner gene]

The Coronavirus Bill passed 92-6, WTF are you talking about? Please post a link when you make statements.

Congress Passes $900 Billion Coronavirus Relief Bill, Ending Months-Long Stalemate

The legislation extending aid to unemployed, providing money for vaccine distribution and a round of $600 stimulus checks was attached to an annual government funding bill that tacked on other items.

www.npr.org

The Senate acted swiftly Monday night, in a 92-6 vote, to approve more than $900 billion for coronavirus assistance, shortly after the House of Representatives passed the package.

American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Passed the House on February 27, 2021 (219–212)
Passed the Senate on March 6, 2021 (50–49)

 

[22lcidw]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. Before the vote, repubs made demands for their cooperation, and democrats agreed to every one of them. Repubs still refused to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate on something so momentous as that, it's obvious they won't cooperate on anything else. The country can't afford to capitulate to the party of NO for a full four years. The insurrectionists built a gallows on the lawn and were chanting “KILL MIKE PENCE!!” There are pictures of republicans stacking furniture to block the door in an effort to keep the insurrectionists out. Those were the same republicans who voted against the bipartisan investigation. Only an idiot wouldn't see that we need to drop the politics and discover what really happened, and who was instrumental in planning it. They obviously care more about protecting trump, and their members who were instrumental in planning the attempted coup than they care about taking care of the country's business. I would prefer to keep the filibuster, but the repubs are forcing the issue so that our only choice is to end it. Once that is done, it won't seem like such a big deal to reconsider statehood for DC and Puerto Rico or a few more seats on the Supreme court. If the republicans keep insisting on being obstinate, there is not much else we can do but to play hardball just like they are doing.

'Five-alarm fire': Liberals use Jan. 6 panel blockade as rallying cry to abolish filibuster

More than 100 advocacy groups sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer calling for elimination of the 60-vote threshold.

www.aol.com

These things like filibusters and checks and balances of the Constitution whether intentional or not are part and parcel of our nation to think things over. Other nations do not have this. We have removed a few planks of the Constitution are in a downward spiral now. Being top dog means a longer fall. There has been no bloody and massive death wars in the Western Hemisphere since the civil war or so. We are getting closer now. Real close.

 

[kyzr]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol.

It's time to return the filibuster to the one we knew from "Mr. Smith goes to Washington". Or the time when Strom Thurmond set a record.
Today a filibuster doesn't even require anybody stand in the well of the senate and talk. So it's actually easier for a senator to filibuster, than to check his e-mail.

The cloture rule had been changed from requiring 2/3rds to override a filibuster, to the current 60 vote requirement. But there's an important difference. If the bulk of republicans don't show up, as few as 35 votes would stop the filibuster, as being 2/3rds of those present. But the current rule requires 60 votes, even if only 51 senators are in attendance.

If republicans want to obstruct, return the filibuster rules to how they used to be. Mend it, don't end it.

Both sides have enjoyed the filibuster, but the founding fathers never envisioned anything like it, and it was only created by accident in 1789

Filibuster in the United States Senate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The filibuster is a good thing. Gridlock is preferred to idiotic policies. If a policy can't get 60 votes, its a bad policy.

 

[BULLDOG]

bipartisan investigation

Unfortunately that is still on its face a purely political investigation rather than any sort of proper investigation of a civil or criminal matter before a court of law.

It's what the right wanted.

 

[22lcidw]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol.

It's time to return the filibuster to the one we knew from "Mr. Smith goes to Washington". Or the time when Strom Thurmond set a record.
Today a filibuster doesn't even require anybody stand in the well of the senate and talk. So it's actually easier for a senator to filibuster, than to check his e-mail.

The cloture rule had been changed from requiring 2/3rds to override a filibuster, to the current 60 vote requirement. But there's an important difference. If the bulk of republicans don't show up, as few as 35 votes would stop the filibuster, as being 2/3rds of those present. But the current rule requires 60 votes, even if only 51 senators are in attendance.

If republicans want to obstruct, return the filibuster rules to how they used to be. Mend it, don't end it.

Both sides have enjoyed the filibuster, but the founding fathers never envisioned anything like it, and it was only created by accident in 1789

Filibuster in the United States Senate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And you are going to blow it. And when your children and children's children are enslaved more so then what the fiat currency has done, you will lament it and weep... but it will be way to late.

 

[Coyote]

No need to kill it. Just make it painful enough to reduce it's use. Put it back to it's original form. Make them stand there and talk. And the onus is on party doing the fillibuster to come up with the votes (they stay and listen).

The filibuster is just fine the way it is, just ask Joe Manchin.

Did you think so when the Dems used to obstruct? Just click on a button, no effort, no pain. It has become a tool of meritless and purely partisan obstruction in a way it was never intended. Take it back to it's original form.

 

[meaner gene]

....if you want to place blame and only blame one side you are just what you accused the GOP of being uncooperative....

The republicans have been bragging about being uncooperative for years.

 

[Rambunctious]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol.

It's time to return the filibuster to the one we knew from "Mr. Smith goes to Washington". Or the time when Strom Thurmond set a record.
Today a filibuster doesn't even require anybody stand in the well of the senate and talk. So it's actually easier for a senator to filibuster, than to check his e-mail.

The cloture rule had been changed from requiring 2/3rds to override a filibuster, to the current 60 vote requirement. But there's an important difference. If the bulk of republicans don't show up, as few as 35 votes would stop the filibuster, as being 2/3rds of those present. But the current rule requires 60 votes, even if only 51 senators are in attendance.

If republicans want to obstruct, return the filibuster rules to how they used to be. Mend it, don't end it.

Both sides have enjoyed the filibuster, but the founding fathers never envisioned anything like it, and it was only created by accident in 1789

Filibuster in the United States Senate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And you are going to blow it. And when your children and children's children are enslaved more so then what the fiat currency has done, you will lament it and weep... but it will be way to late.

Bulldogs kids will be carrying Chinese yen not dollars if we don't take the house back in 22....

 

[Rambunctious]

....if you want to place blame and only blame one side you are just what you accused the GOP of being uncooperative....

The republicans have been bragging about being uncooperative for years.

What?...that's stupid...are you stupid?...then why say such a stupid thing?....

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. Before the vote, repubs made demands for their cooperation, and democrats agreed to every one of them. Repubs still refused to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate on something so momentous as that, it's obvious they won't cooperate on anything else. The country can't afford to capitulate to the party of NO for a full four years. The insurrectionists built a gallows on the lawn and were chanting “KILL MIKE PENCE!!” There are pictures of republicans stacking furniture to block the door in an effort to keep the insurrectionists out. Those were the same republicans who voted against the bipartisan investigation. Only an idiot wouldn't see that we need to drop the politics and discover what really happened, and who was instrumental in planning it. They obviously care more about protecting trump, and their members who were instrumental in planning the attempted coup than they care about taking care of the country's business. I would prefer to keep the filibuster, but the repubs are forcing the issue so that our only choice is to end it. Once that is done, it won't seem like such a big deal to reconsider statehood for DC and Puerto Rico or a few more seats on the Supreme court. If the republicans keep insisting on being obstinate, there is not much else we can do but to play hardball just like they are doing.

'Five-alarm fire': Liberals use Jan. 6 panel blockade as rallying cry to abolish filibuster

More than 100 advocacy groups sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer calling for elimination of the 60-vote threshold.

www.aol.com

You Progressive fascists are so predictable!

Gerrymandering and the filibuster are only cool when they benefit Progressives Fascists!

Goose Stepping practice at 2PM today!

Easy enough to keep it. All the right has to do is cooperate just a little.

 

[kyzr]

The Coronavirus Bill passed 92-6, WTF are you talking about? Please post a link when you make statements.

Congress Passes $900 Billion Coronavirus Relief Bill, Ending Months-Long Stalemate

The legislation extending aid to unemployed, providing money for vaccine distribution and a round of $600 stimulus checks was attached to an annual government funding bill that tacked on other items.

www.npr.org

The Senate acted swiftly Monday night, in a 92-6 vote, to approve more than $900 billion for coronavirus assistance, shortly after the House of Representatives passed the package.

American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Passed the House on February 27, 2021 (219–212)
Passed the Senate on March 6, 2021 (50–49)

Thanks for clarifying.
The debate is whether the $1.9T spending is really needed.
Right now we need workers, but they are getting more money sitting on their porches collecting unemployment.
The democrats are making "helicopter Joe" throw borrowed money around instead of working.
Jobs are all over, but workers are not going back.

 

[meaner gene]

The filibuster is a good thing. Gridlock is preferred to idiotic policies. If a policy can't get 60 votes, its a bad policy.

Except Mitch McConnell is invoking gridlock even before seeing a word of the bill.