Time to kill the filibuster

[BULLDOG]

If there was any chance the repubs would cooperate in any way, what you say might matter. Unfortunately, republicans have made it clear they will be the party of no for the foreseeable future. Refusing to cooperate on something as important as the insurrection investigation shows they intend to just act like petulant children for the next 4 years. If anything is to get done the filibuster has to go.

As agree that the filibuster as it now stands has to go. But I say "mend it not end it"

Make the filibuster a true filibuster, with the requirement to hold the floor and speak on topic for hours, days or weeks.

Nope. If they want to play hardball, lets play hardball.

 

[kyzr]

The filibuster is a good thing. Gridlock is preferred to idiotic policies. If a policy can't get 60 votes, its a bad policy.

Except Mitch McConnell is invoking gridlock even before seeing a word of the bill.

The economy is doing fine, even with many workers sitting and collecting. Printing money will ALWAYS bite at some point. Inflation is flaring up, the Fed can only hold up on raising rates for so long. Unnecessary spending is the enemy, not the goal.

 

[meaner gene]

The republicans have been bragging about being uncooperative for years.

What?...that's stupid...are you stupid?...then why say such a stupid thing?....

Mitch McConnell has been saying it since 2013

 

[kyzr]

If there was any chance the repubs would cooperate in any way, what you say might matter. Unfortunately, republicans have made it clear they will be the party of no for the foreseeable future. Refusing to cooperate on something as important as the insurrection investigation shows they intend to just act like petulant children for the next 4 years. If anything is to get done the filibuster has to go.

As agree that the filibuster as it now stands has to go. But I say "mend it not end it"

Make the filibuster a true filibuster, with the requirement to hold the floor and speak on topic for hours, days or weeks.

Nope. If they want to play hardball, lets play hardball.

WTF does that mean? Make Joe Manchin switch parties to the GOP?

 

[Orangecat]

Time to kill the 17th Amendment.

And instead have what exactly?

No 17th Amendment.

 

[Orangecat]

The filibuster is a means of obstruction. It has become weaponized by the minority party to where 41 members have more power than 59. It needs to go. Compromise is synonymous with capitulation. Allow elections to have consequences.

As a fan of gridlock, I wholeheartedly disagree.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. Before the vote, repubs made demands for their cooperation, and democrats agreed to every one of them. Repubs still refused to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate on something so momentous as that, it's obvious they won't cooperate on anything else. The country can't afford to capitulate to the party of NO for a full four years. The insurrectionists built a gallows on the lawn and were chanting “KILL MIKE PENCE!!” There are pictures of republicans stacking furniture to block the door in an effort to keep the insurrectionists out. Those were the same republicans who voted against the bipartisan investigation. Only an idiot wouldn't see that we need to drop the politics and discover what really happened, and who was instrumental in planning it. They obviously care more about protecting trump, and their members who were instrumental in planning the attempted coup than they care about taking care of the country's business. I would prefer to keep the filibuster, but the repubs are forcing the issue so that our only choice is to end it. Once that is done, it won't seem like such a big deal to reconsider statehood for DC and Puerto Rico or a few more seats on the Supreme court. If the republicans keep insisting on being obstinate, there is not much else we can do but to play hardball just like they are doing.

'Five-alarm fire': Liberals use Jan. 6 panel blockade as rallying cry to abolish filibuster

More than 100 advocacy groups sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer calling for elimination of the 60-vote threshold.

www.aol.com

You Progressive fascists are so predictable!

Gerrymandering and the filibuster are only cool when they benefit Progressives Fascists!

Goose Stepping practice at 2PM today!

Easy enough to keep it. All the right has to do is cooperate just a little.

Yeah, democrats are all about cooperation

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. Before the vote, repubs made demands for their cooperation, and democrats agreed to every one of them. Repubs still refused to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate on something so momentous as that, it's obvious they won't cooperate on anything else. The country can't afford to capitulate to the party of NO for a full four years. The insurrectionists built a gallows on the lawn and were chanting “KILL MIKE PENCE!!” There are pictures of republicans stacking furniture to block the door in an effort to keep the insurrectionists out. Those were the same republicans who voted against the bipartisan investigation. Only an idiot wouldn't see that we need to drop the politics and discover what really happened, and who was instrumental in planning it. They obviously care more about protecting trump, and their members who were instrumental in planning the attempted coup than they care about taking care of the country's business. I would prefer to keep the filibuster, but the repubs are forcing the issue so that our only choice is to end it. Once that is done, it won't seem like such a big deal to reconsider statehood for DC and Puerto Rico or a few more seats on the Supreme court. If the republicans keep insisting on being obstinate, there is not much else we can do but to play hardball just like they are doing.

'Five-alarm fire': Liberals use Jan. 6 panel blockade as rallying cry to abolish filibuster

More than 100 advocacy groups sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer calling for elimination of the 60-vote threshold.

www.aol.com

End the filibuster and it will comeback to bite us in the ass in the future. Changing the rules to benefit now, will hurt later, we have seen it so many times. I think we all need to be careful, we need to investigate what, how and who, then what we all can do to prevent this in the future. I'm not seeing why the House can't just investigate like they did with Benghazi or the inquiry to the Trump impeachment.

The house can and will investigate. I suspect the repubs know some of their members were instrumental in planning the insurrection. Hell, they probably know who those members are. Without cooperating, they can cry "deep state" and "partisan" It would have been much harder to do that if they participated in the investigation. The choice to not participate is just another example of the dishonesty and lack of ethics the right has adopted.

 

[meaner gene]

The house can and will investigate. I suspect the repubs know some of their members were instrumental in planning the insurrection. Hell, they probably know who those members are. Without cooperating, they can cry "deep state" and "partisan" It would have been much harder to do that if they participated in the investigation. The choice to not participate is just another example of the dishonesty and lack of ethics the right has adopted.

I think one reason they oppose an independent commission is that it would have subpoena power that both houses agreed to.

A house investigation would have house subpoena power, that republican senators would claim has no legal force against them.

 

[BULLDOG]

Its not going to happen if I am hearing the only two level headed democrats in the senate correctly...besides you dems will rue the day that you did this...you won't be in power much longer....and then we will have the fillibusterless senate....remember we warned Reid and you all laughed and now the GOP has the Supreme court....be careful what you wish for....

Nothing says a few more seats on the court couldn't happen. It would be much more likely to happen in the current environment where repubs are the party of NO than it would be if there was even a small amount of cooperation. I would suggest you might be the one who should be careful of what you wish for.

That will never happen...the backlash across the nation would doom the dems for generations and the GOP would just switch it all back anyway....so please go for it....

If there was any chance the repubs would cooperate in any way, what you say might matter. Unfortunately, republicans have made it clear they will be the party of no for the foreseeable future. Refusing to cooperate on something as important as the insurrection investigation shows they intend to just act like petulant children for the next 4 years. If anything is to get done the filibuster has to go. We can't afford to go 4 years without taking care of the country's business. If your party insists on acting like selfish children, they will be treated like selfish children.

It depends on your meaning of cooperation...to the dems that are in office today cooperation means giving up on all of our principles to do things their way....if you want to place blame and only blame one side you are just what you accused the GOP of being... uncooperative....

Democrats agreed to every demand the right made. The right still refused to cooperate. If the filibuster is eliminated, you can blame the right.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. Before the vote, repubs made demands for their cooperation, and democrats agreed to every one of them. Repubs still refused to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate on something so momentous as that, it's obvious they won't cooperate on anything else. The country can't afford to capitulate to the party of NO for a full four years. The insurrectionists built a gallows on the lawn and were chanting “KILL MIKE PENCE!!” There are pictures of republicans stacking furniture to block the door in an effort to keep the insurrectionists out. Those were the same republicans who voted against the bipartisan investigation. Only an idiot wouldn't see that we need to drop the politics and discover what really happened, and who was instrumental in planning it. They obviously care more about protecting trump, and their members who were instrumental in planning the attempted coup than they care about taking care of the country's business. I would prefer to keep the filibuster, but the repubs are forcing the issue so that our only choice is to end it. Once that is done, it won't seem like such a big deal to reconsider statehood for DC and Puerto Rico or a few more seats on the Supreme court. If the republicans keep insisting on being obstinate, there is not much else we can do but to play hardball just like they are doing.

'Five-alarm fire': Liberals use Jan. 6 panel blockade as rallying cry to abolish filibuster

More than 100 advocacy groups sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer calling for elimination of the 60-vote threshold.

www.aol.com

These things like filibusters and checks and balances of the Constitution whether intentional or not are part and parcel of our nation to think things over. Other nations do not have this. We have removed a few planks of the Constitution are in a downward spiral now. Being top dog means a longer fall. There has been no bloody and massive death wars in the Western Hemisphere since the civil war or so. We are getting closer now. Real close.

Another crazy right winger having wet dreams for a revolution.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol.

It's time to return the filibuster to the one we knew from "Mr. Smith goes to Washington". Or the time when Strom Thurmond set a record.
Today a filibuster doesn't even require anybody stand in the well of the senate and talk. So it's actually easier for a senator to filibuster, than to check his e-mail.

The cloture rule had been changed from requiring 2/3rds to override a filibuster, to the current 60 vote requirement. But there's an important difference. If the bulk of republicans don't show up, as few as 35 votes would stop the filibuster, as being 2/3rds of those present. But the current rule requires 60 votes, even if only 51 senators are in attendance.

If republicans want to obstruct, return the filibuster rules to how they used to be. Mend it, don't end it.

Both sides have enjoyed the filibuster, but the founding fathers never envisioned anything like it, and it was only created by accident in 1789

Filibuster in the United States Senate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The filibuster is a good thing. Gridlock is preferred to idiotic policies. If a policy can't get 60 votes, its a bad policy.

If our representatives voted based on what is best for the country instead of what is best for your party, you might be right.

 

[meaner gene]

There has been no bloody and massive death wars in the Western Hemisphere since the civil war or so. We are getting closer now. Real close.

Another crazy right winger having wet dreams for a revolution.

Their whole plan. Divide the nation, because they hold the biggest piece.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. Before the vote, repubs made demands for their cooperation, and democrats agreed to every one of them. Repubs still refused to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate on something so momentous as that, it's obvious they won't cooperate on anything else. The country can't afford to capitulate to the party of NO for a full four years. The insurrectionists built a gallows on the lawn and were chanting “KILL MIKE PENCE!!” There are pictures of republicans stacking furniture to block the door in an effort to keep the insurrectionists out. Those were the same republicans who voted against the bipartisan investigation. Only an idiot wouldn't see that we need to drop the politics and discover what really happened, and who was instrumental in planning it. They obviously care more about protecting trump, and their members who were instrumental in planning the attempted coup than they care about taking care of the country's business. I would prefer to keep the filibuster, but the repubs are forcing the issue so that our only choice is to end it. Once that is done, it won't seem like such a big deal to reconsider statehood for DC and Puerto Rico or a few more seats on the Supreme court. If the republicans keep insisting on being obstinate, there is not much else we can do but to play hardball just like they are doing.

'Five-alarm fire': Liberals use Jan. 6 panel blockade as rallying cry to abolish filibuster

More than 100 advocacy groups sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer calling for elimination of the 60-vote threshold.

www.aol.com

You Progressive fascists are so predictable!

Gerrymandering and the filibuster are only cool when they benefit Progressives Fascists!

Goose Stepping practice at 2PM today!

Easy enough to keep it. All the right has to do is cooperate just a little.

Yeah, democrats are all about cooperation

Democrats agreed to every demand the right made. Yes, that is cooperation.

 

[kyzr]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol.

It's time to return the filibuster to the one we knew from "Mr. Smith goes to Washington". Or the time when Strom Thurmond set a record.
Today a filibuster doesn't even require anybody stand in the well of the senate and talk. So it's actually easier for a senator to filibuster, than to check his e-mail.

The cloture rule had been changed from requiring 2/3rds to override a filibuster, to the current 60 vote requirement. But there's an important difference. If the bulk of republicans don't show up, as few as 35 votes would stop the filibuster, as being 2/3rds of those present. But the current rule requires 60 votes, even if only 51 senators are in attendance.

If republicans want to obstruct, return the filibuster rules to how they used to be. Mend it, don't end it.

Both sides have enjoyed the filibuster, but the founding fathers never envisioned anything like it, and it was only created by accident in 1789

Filibuster in the United States Senate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The filibuster is a good thing. Gridlock is preferred to idiotic policies. If a policy can't get 60 votes, its a bad policy.

If our representatives voted based on what is best for the country instead of what is best for your party, you might be right.

Don't post in generalities. What specific policies do democrats want for the good of the country? IMHO we'd disagree on all of them.
Here's a few to consider:
Open Borders and flawed immigration policies
Defund the police
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

 

[Polishprince]

The Ds agreed to every demand the Rs made on the bipartisan investigation, but they refused to cooperate anyway. You can't reach across the isle if they refuse everything, even when all their demands are met.

Republicans plan is to stop all democratic legislation by stalling or outright opposition.

Part 1, stall. By talking and seeming to bargain to stall for time, knowing they're never going to vote for it.
Similar to running out the clock. After stalling it for weeks or months, vote NO anyway.

Why don't the Democrats reach ACROSS THE AISLE and help the Republicans pass legislation? Show their good will by bringing back DADT, renewing the Tremendous Bipartisan Hyde Amendment, recognizing the Right to Work, etc?

If you show good will, you will get cooperation, and that's my point.

Don't you think that the GOP would get behind it if the Dems proposed defending marriage like President Clinton did in the 1990's? BTW, the DOMA was the crown jewel accomplishment of President Clinton and he did it on a BIPARTISAN basis?

 

[meaner gene]

Why don't the Democrats reach ACROSS THE AISLE and help the Republicans pass legislation? Show their good will by bringing back DADT,

Bring back DADT?

They finished it's repeal on September 20, 2011.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Passed the House on December 15, 2010 (Yeas: 250; Nays: 175)
Passed the Senate on December 18, 2010 (Yeas: 65; Nays: 31)

Bipartisan supported.

 

[22lcidw]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. Before the vote, repubs made demands for their cooperation, and democrats agreed to every one of them. Repubs still refused to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate on something so momentous as that, it's obvious they won't cooperate on anything else. The country can't afford to capitulate to the party of NO for a full four years. The insurrectionists built a gallows on the lawn and were chanting “KILL MIKE PENCE!!” There are pictures of republicans stacking furniture to block the door in an effort to keep the insurrectionists out. Those were the same republicans who voted against the bipartisan investigation. Only an idiot wouldn't see that we need to drop the politics and discover what really happened, and who was instrumental in planning it. They obviously care more about protecting trump, and their members who were instrumental in planning the attempted coup than they care about taking care of the country's business. I would prefer to keep the filibuster, but the repubs are forcing the issue so that our only choice is to end it. Once that is done, it won't seem like such a big deal to reconsider statehood for DC and Puerto Rico or a few more seats on the Supreme court. If the republicans keep insisting on being obstinate, there is not much else we can do but to play hardball just like they are doing.

'Five-alarm fire': Liberals use Jan. 6 panel blockade as rallying cry to abolish filibuster

More than 100 advocacy groups sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer calling for elimination of the 60-vote threshold.

www.aol.com

These things like filibusters and checks and balances of the Constitution whether intentional or not are part and parcel of our nation to think things over. Other nations do not have this. We have removed a few planks of the Constitution are in a downward spiral now. Being top dog means a longer fall. There has been no bloody and massive death wars in the Western Hemisphere since the civil war or so. We are getting closer now. Real close.

Another crazy right winger having wet dreams for a revolution.

That is what the problem is. I do not want revolution. You are doing it with transforming the government into a authoritarian government with people electing individuals to perform it. You are the wet dream of vengeance. I want you to win. But I know what is right. That is the conundrum. Tentacles intertwine in many ways.

 

[Dana7360]

Nobody wanted to kill the filibuster. I didn't want to kill the filibuster. All that was true before the republicans refused to agree to a bipartisan 1/6 commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. Before the vote, repubs made demands for their cooperation, and democrats agreed to every one of them. Repubs still refused to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate on something so momentous as that, it's obvious they won't cooperate on anything else. The country can't afford to capitulate to the party of NO for a full four years. The insurrectionists built a gallows on the lawn and were chanting “KILL MIKE PENCE!!” There are pictures of republicans stacking furniture to block the door in an effort to keep the insurrectionists out. Those were the same republicans who voted against the bipartisan investigation. Only an idiot wouldn't see that we need to drop the politics and discover what really happened, and who was instrumental in planning it. They obviously care more about protecting trump, and their members who were instrumental in planning the attempted coup than they care about taking care of the country's business. I would prefer to keep the filibuster, but the repubs are forcing the issue so that our only choice is to end it. Once that is done, it won't seem like such a big deal to reconsider statehood for DC and Puerto Rico or a few more seats on the Supreme court. If the republicans keep insisting on being obstinate, there is not much else we can do but to play hardball just like they are doing.

'Five-alarm fire': Liberals use Jan. 6 panel blockade as rallying cry to abolish filibuster

More than 100 advocacy groups sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer calling for elimination of the 60-vote threshold.

www.aol.com

It isn't a matter of four years.

It's a matter of ANOTHER four years.

They did the same thing for all eight of the Obama years.

They have abused the filibuster and destroyed democracy in our senate.

The minority rules and has for a very long time.

It needs to stop.

 

[Dana7360]

Time to kill the 17th Amendment.

So you don't want a senate that is of the people, by the people and for the people.

You want a senate made up of people who are appointed in back rooms by the autocrats so they can keep control of our nation to keep destroying America.

Way to show how much you hate voting, democracy and the American way of government and life.

That isn't what a democratic republic is about.

The 17th Amendment will never be repealed.

If you don't want to vote for your senator then don't vote for a senator. No one is forcing you to vote.

You have absolutely no right to take the right to vote away from every other American.