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[2aguy]

• The 2019 Dayton shooting in Ohio
• Investigators are working through evidence as they grapple with the aftermath of the deadly shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio, and what it means to have citizens armed with powerful weaponry.
• The suspected shooter, identified by police as 24-year-old Connor Stephen Betts, allegedly carried out the massacre with a .223-caliber rifle that he legally purchased.
• Evidence is still being collected, but if all of the shooter's magazines were full at the time of the shooting, the suspect would have had "a maximum of 250 rounds in his possession at the time" of the shooting. He added that investigators have found "at least 41 spent shell casings".
• On Sunday, officials said that 30 seconds after the gunman fired the first shots, he was killed by an officer in front of the Ned Peppers bar.
• 41 Shots fired, 9 dead, 27 injured in under 30 seconds?

On February 14, 2018, an expelled student entered Parkland, Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and opened fire, killing 17 people and wounding 17 others, in what became the deadliest shooting at a high school in United States history.

In all, Cruz’s attack lasted less than four minutes and left 17 dead.


In the Sutherland Springs church shooting, Devin Patrick Kelley shot and killed dozens of people at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas on November 5, 2017. Kelley killed 25 people and wounded 22 others before dying of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Around 11:20 a.m., Kelley stepped out of the SUV, wearing black tactical gear, a ballistic vest, and a black face-mask featuring a white skull, and wielding a Ruger AR-556 semi-automatic rifle.

Inside, he yelled, "Everybody dies, motherfuckers," as he proceeded up and down the center aisle and shot at people in the pews. Police found 15 empty magazines capable of holding 30 rounds each. Authorities stated Kelley fired approximately 700 rounds during the estimated 11 minute long shooting.
According to investigators, the shooting was captured on a camera set up at the back of the church to record regular services for uploading online. The footage shows Kelley methodically shooting the victims, pausing only to reload his rifle.

700 rounds in 11 minutes?

'The "and why" is what matters here, BTW'.
OK.

Hey...shithead...again, you didn't prove anything with the Dayton shooting except to prove us right....

The location of each shooting that was a gun free zone ended up with the higher death count...gun free zones, and how long it took to engage the attacker with a gun changed the number dead, not the weapon...you dumb ass, since any of those attacks could just have easily been done with pistols or a shotgun....because the ranges involved were not a factor with a rifle since the range was close and not long distance....

The Parkland shooting could have been done with pistols or a shotgun.......the range of the shooting was the length of rooms or confined hallways...you doofus......and the cops stayed outside, unlike Dayton, so he had more time to shoot people...you idiot...

The Sutherland Springs shooting...again.....he could have used pistols or a shotgun and killed the same number.....the length of the church was short range, and the weapons made no difference...

For example...you dumb ass....

Virginia Tech.....32 killed with 2 pistols...

Luby's Cafe.....24 killed, 2 pistols.

Kerch, Russia Shooting 20 killed, 70 wounded, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.

Fort Hood shooter....13 killed with 2 pistols.....

Navy Yard shooter.....12 killed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun and stolen 9 mm pistol.

The Dayton shooter picked a location with cops right there, you moron, so his gun didn't matter ..........good guys started shooting at him right away...

He killed 9......with or without those cops there, he could have killed the exact same number with a pump action shotgun....you doofus.....

Since the Church was a gun free zone, until the NRA instructor stopped the shooter with his own AR-15 rifle, the gun free zone, and lack of someone with a gun in the church allowed him to shoot those people, and a shotgun or pistols would have accomplished the same thing.....

You have no idea what you are talking about...

The only shooting where having a rifle mattered was Las Vegas where the range was over 400 yards...you idiot.

And, idiot...you should actually link to the information......just like you shitheads demand whenever I post things.....you moron.

 

[2aguy]

Holy fuck you're a moron, just the way your fat, orange, dear leader loves his cult.

That wasn't the point, you ignorant imbecile.

You have no point...you moron........

What makes the difference in the number of people killed is not the weapon....it is the gun free zone location. The reason for this, you idiot...is because the killing of unarmed people stops as soon as the good guys arrive with guns to attack the shooter...

The shootings you picked...

Dayton...he could have killed just as many people with a pump action shotgun or pistols.......but he was stopped by guns.........

On August 4, 2019, 24-year-old Connor Betts shot and killed nine people and injured 17 others near the entrance of the Ned Peppers Bar in the Oregon District of Dayton, Ohio.[3] Betts was fatally shot by responding police officers 32 seconds after the first shots were fired.[3][5] A total of 27 people were taken to area hospitals.[5]

2019 Dayton shooting - Wikipedia

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Parkland, 17 killed......again, shotgun or pistols...since the police did not enter the building.....Kerch, Russia, another shooting, 20 killed with the 5 shot, pump action shotgun....the police didn't enter the building though they were only 100 yards away...

Kerch Polytechnic College massacre - Wikipedia

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Sutherland Springs.....25 killed....again, a pump action shotgun or pistols could have been used to achieve the same effect since no one had a gun, and the police did not arrive at the scene until after the killer was driven off by the NRA instructor with the AR-15.....

The sutherland springs shooter stopped murdering the wounded when the NRA instructor with the AR-15 rifle called to him from outside the church....ending the attack......driving him out of the area...you dumb ass.....

Sutherland Springs church shooting - Wikipedia

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Dayton....AR-15 rifle, 9 killed........
Parkland....AR-15 rifle, 17 killed
Sutherland Springs...AR-15 24 killed


Virginia Tech....32 killed with 2 pistols.

Luby's Cafe....24 killed with 2 pistols...

Kerch, Russia....20 killed, pump action shotgun.

Dunblane, Scotland shooting....2 pistols...18 killed.

Navy Yard shooting...12 killed, pump action shotgun.

You idiot.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Hey...shithead...again, you didn't prove anything with the Dayton shooting except to prove us right....

The location of each shooting that was a gun free zone ended up with the higher death count...gun free zones, and how long it took to engage the attacker with a gun changed the number dead, not the weapon...you dumb ass, since any of those attacks could just have easily been done with pistols or a shotgun....because the ranges involved were not a factor with a rifle since the range was close and not long distance....

The Parkland shooting could have been done with pistols or a shotgun.......the range of the shooting was the length of rooms or confined hallways...you doofus......and the cops stayed outside, unlike Dayton, so he had more time to shoot people...you idiot...

The Sutherland Springs shooting...again.....he could have used pistols or a shotgun and killed the same number.....the length of the church was short range, and the weapons made no difference...

For example...you dumb ass....

Virginia Tech.....32 killed with 2 pistols...

Luby's Cafe.....24 killed, 2 pistols.

Kerch, Russia Shooting 20 killed, 70 wounded, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.

Fort Hood shooter....13 killed with 2 pistols.....

Navy Yard shooter.....12 killed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun and stolen 9 mm pistol.

The Dayton shooter picked a location with cops right there, you moron, so his gun didn't matter ..........good guys started shooting at him right away...

He killed 9......with or without those cops there, he could have killed the exact same number with a pump action shotgun....you doofus.....

Since the Church was a gun free zone, until the NRA instructor stopped the shooter with his own AR-15 rifle, the gun free zone, and lack of someone with a gun in the church allowed him to shoot those people, and a shotgun or pistols would have accomplished the same thing.....

You have no idea what you are talking about...

The only shooting where having a rifle mattered was Las Vegas where the range was over 400 yards...you idiot.

And, idiot...you should actually link to the information......just like you shitheads demand whenever I post things.....you moron.

So, you deflect from magazine capacity to gun free zones, now.
Q NUTs taught you well.

41 Shots fired, 9 dead, 27 injured in under 30 seconds?
Lasted less than four minutes and left 17 dead?
700 rounds in 11 minutes?

What Rambo is going to accomplish that with a pump-action shotgun, moron?

I'm DONE.

 

[2aguy]

So, you deflect from magazine capacity to gun free zones, now.
Q NUTs taught you well.

41 Shots fired, 9 dead, 27 injured in under 30 seconds?
Lasted less than four minutes and left 17 dead?
700 rounds in 11 minutes?

What Rambo is going to accomplish that with a pump-action shotgun, moron?

I'm DONE.

Moron.....I am the one who posted the research on magazine capacity, and I am the one who stated, from the start, that location, not weapon was the factor that mattered the most, you dumb ass....

I showed you the deaths in each shooting and the weapons used......... each of the shootings you listed...you chose....could have been done with shotguns or pistols and achieved the same or higher death rates....as I showed you with the actual shootings that did have higher death rates...

You idiot.

The location, the time it takes for someone to get to the scene with a gun and confront the shooter, determines how many die..........you idiot.

 

[M14 Shooter]

41 Shots fired, 9 dead, 27 injured in under 30 seconds?

Killing 9 people in 30 seconds with a pump action shotgun?
Easy peasy.
What makes you think otherwise?

On February 14, 2018, an expelled student entered Parkland, Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and opened fire, killing 17 people and wounding 17 others, in what became the deadliest shooting at a high school in United States history.
In all, Cruz’s attack lasted less than four minutes and left 17 dead.

Killing 17 people in 4 minutes with a pumnp-action shotgun?
Easy peasy
What makes you think otherwise?

In the Sutherland Springs church shooting, Devin Patrick Kelley shot and killed dozens of people at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas on November 5, 2017. Kelley killed 25 people... in 11 minutes?

Kiilling 25 people in 11 minutes - with a pump action shotgun?
Easy peasy.
What makes you think otherwise?

OK.

I thank you for poving my point. Well done.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Funny how it didn't.
So while many AR-15's are chambered for .223 (5.56 metric), they can also be chambered for .204 Ruger, 5.7x28, .243 WIN, .260 REM, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.8SPC, 7mm, .30 REM, 7.62x39, .308, .338 Lapua, .338 Federal, .450 Bushmaster, .458, .50 Beowulf, .50 BMG and even 9mm, .40 and .45ACP handgun cartridges.
So the stock AR-15 has be be modified to kill a deer, but not a human.

-snort-
You don;t know much about deer, do you?
They are generally both smaller and lighter than the average person; the western Mule deer are more akin to people in weight and size.
Why do you think the "stock" AR15 has to be "modified" to kill a deer, but not a human?

 

[M14 Shooter]

So, go out and buy a Howitzer, a 50. cal. and a RPG.

Again, you demonstrate your (willful) ignorance of the right to keep and bear arms.
Well done.

Just the gun nuts that take advantage of and twist it to suit their needs.
Gun nuts, that's why.
Who needs 4500 rounds and 60 weapons?

As expected, you have no rational reasoned reponse to my questions.
Well done.

No, it doesn't.

It does.
If you had meaningful counterpoints to what I said, you would have posted them.
You didn't.
Thus.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Lasted less than four minutes and left 17 dead?
700 rounds in 11 minutes?

The fact he fired 700 rounds and only killed 17 people in 11 minutes proves magazone capacity has nothing to do with body counts

I'm DONE.

You have been done for some time.

 

[Smokin' OP]

The fact he fired 700 rounds and only killed 17 people in 11 minutes proves magazone capacity has nothing to do with body counts

700 rounds.
So, you could do that with a shotgun, Rambo?
You couldn't do 70, numbnuts.

You have been done for some time.

Yeah, done with both of you dumbasses.

 

[M14 Shooter]

700 rounds.

17 killed in 11 minutes.
You can do that with a pump-action shotgun.
Thus, magazone capacity has nothing to do with body counts

Yeah, done with both of you dumbasses.

Your surrender, accepted.

 

[2aguy]

700 rounds.
So, you could do that with a shotgun, Rambo?
You couldn't do 70, numbnuts.

Yeah, done with both of you dumbasses.

No, shithead...a pump action shotgun wouldn't waste that much ammo...and could have killed the same number of people.....

You are done because you have no sane, rational arguments, and you have been schooled over and over again....

 

[2aguy]

700 rounds.
So, you could do that with a shotgun, Rambo?
You couldn't do 70, numbnuts.

Yeah, done with both of you dumbasses.

Hey...really stupid human....

Luby's cafe shooting...

the attack lasted from 12:39 to 12:51

October 16, 1991; 30 years ago
12:39 – 12:51 p.m.[1]

12 minutes.....2 pistols.....

24 killed....you dumb ass....

Luby's shooting - Wikipedia

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