Time for bow and arrow control

[Smokin' OP]

For a great many things.
This is why many, maybe most, states will not allow its use for hunting deer or larger game.

Speaking of shotguns...
Every mass shooting in the US, save one, could have been equally perpetrated with a pump-action shotgun.

COULD have, but without the same capacity as a military style assault weapon and without the bulkiness.
Don't see many shotguns used on drive-bye's.
Given their reduced muzzle energy, the shotgun (not using a slug) is worthless too, unless they are used , close range.
You aren't going to use either as a sniper.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Moron….. you know nothing. The 5.56 is often not allowed for hunting deer because it is under powered you moron.

What a fucking retard.
Who would try to shoot a human, as far away as you would normally have to be, to shoot a deer?
You could kill a deer out of a deer stand with a 5.56.
Don't forget your three, 30 round magazines.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Thank you for agreeing the ani-gun loons are going afert the low-hanging fruit.

Not anti-guns, moron.
Anti gun nut who think they are entitled.

This is not a sound argument for the banning of 'assault weapons'

Pointing out a fact.

This is a lie. Accidental deaths are absolutely minuscule.

That is a lie.

A question is not a sound argument.

Pointing out another fact, if gun nuts need 60 rounds to hit or kill something they need to reconsider their choice of weapon, maybe learn to use a slingshot first.

Hyperignorant hyperbole is not a sound argument

See above.
If people cant operate the weapon responsibly, then remove the weapon.
Trumptards would take that person hunting (Dick Cheney)

This is not a sound argument for banning 'assault weapons'

This has been demonstrated a lie.

Sure it is, by who?

 

[2aguy]

What a fucking retard.
Who would try to shoot a human, as far away as you would normally have to be, to shoot a deer?
You could kill a deer out of a deer stand with a 5.56.
Don't forget your three, 30 round magazines.

Apparently the experts don't agree with you, you dumb fuck, since the 5.56 is banned for deer hunting in a lot of states.....

 

[2aguy]

COULD have, but without the same capacity as a military style assault weapon and without the bulkiness.
Don't see many shotguns used on drive-bye's.
Given their reduced muzzle energy, the shotgun (not using a slug) is worthless too, unless they are used , close range.
You aren't going to use either as a sniper.

Actually, you do......what you never see in drive bys is AR-15 rifles......you idiot.

You really do know nothing about this topic...yet you keep posting on it........

 

[2aguy]

'The shooter in Cumbria, England used a sawed off double barreled shot fun and a .22 bolt action rifle and killed 12'.

The Cumbria shootings was a shooting spree which occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, taxi driver Derrick Bird, killed twelve people and injured eleven others before killing himself in Cumbria, England.

The shootings began in mid-morning in Lamplugh and moved to Frizington, Whitehaven, Egremont, Gosforth, and Seascale, sparking a major manhunt by the Cumbria Constabulary, with assistance from Civil Nuclear Constabulary officers. Thirty crime scenes across Copeland were investigated.

That was random, not exactly a mass shooting, just a murder spree lasting from 10:13am to 12:15pm.

Two hours.
All of your responses are lame comparisons and YEARS apart.

Moron.....he still murdered 12 people with a bolt action rifle and a double barreled shotgun...you idiot.......

He picked the location of the shootings.......as I have pointed out, and you are too stupid to understand.......the weapon wasn't the deciding factor in how many died...the choice of target location was....you dumb ass......

The weapon doesn't matter, especially in the case of mass public shootings where the distance is rarely longer than the average room.......you dumbass....

 

[2aguy]

Yeah, you didn't mention it took 15 minutes to do it, idiot.

Are you really this stupid.............?

Yes.

He killed 20 people, wounded 70...with the local police station 100 yards away......

Most mass public shootings happen in less than 10 minutes....you moron. And the sooner you get a good guy with a gun shooting or engaging the attacker, the faster the attack is stopped......

 

[2aguy]

I sure do see a pattern. Your fantasy of armed citizens stopping mass shootings is a delusion.

Fact, not delusion

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

BREAKING: Man Opens Fire At Oklahoma Walmart, Confronted By Armed Citizen, Report Says

Two people were killed at a Walmart in Oklahoma by a man who opened fire in the parking lot on Monday before turning the weapon on himself after an armed citizen confronted him.
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The assailant, who has not yet been identified, shot and killed a man and a woman in the parking lot and when he was “confronted by an armed citizen, he then turned the gun on himself,” The Daily Mail reported.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Apparently the experts don't agree with you, you dumb fuck, since the 5.56 is banned for deer hunting in a lot of states.....

Apparently the experts don't agree with you, you dumb fuck, since the 5.56 is banned for deer hunting in a lot of states.....

They were banned because dumbasses needed 30 rounds to wound it.
That was the issue, they were wounded not killed, because retards, never got shooting lessons.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Actually, you do......what you never see in drive bys is AR-15 rifles......you idiot.

You really do know nothing about this topic...yet you keep posting on it........

'Actually, you do'
You're FOS.
You're the one touting the the accodlades of the weapon.

'what you never see in drive bys is AR-15 rifles'.

Sure, I'll take your word for it.........................NOT.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Are you really this stupid.............?

Yes.

He killed 20 people, wounded 70...with the local police station 100 yards away......

Most mass public shootings happen in less than 10 minutes....you moron. And the sooner you get a good guy with a gun shooting or engaging the attacker, the faster the attack is stopped......

Fucking retard.
Trumptards and the NRA, always touting 'a good guy with gun' that never seems to be around 98% of the time.

'He killed 20 people, wounded 70...with the local police station 100 yards away'
With the belief there were bombs involved you retard, even the military would have hesitated.

He would have killed a LOT more if he had a 30 round magazine and a lighter weapon.
Your 'whataboutisms' isn't even debatable.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Moron.....he still murdered 12 people with a bolt action rifle and a double barreled shotgun...you idiot.......

He picked the location of the shootings.......as I have pointed out, and you are too stupid to understand.......the weapon wasn't the deciding factor in how many died...the choice of target location was....you dumb ass......

The weapon doesn't matter, especially in the case of mass public shootings where the distance is rarely longer than the average room.......you dumbass....

See above, moron.

 

[2aguy]

They were banned because dumbasses needed 30 rounds to wound it.
That was the issue, they were wounded not killed, because retards, never got shooting lessons.

You arent even trying to hide your stupidity and ignorance… you are simply tolling at this point.

 

[2aguy]

Fucking retard.
Trumptards and the NRA, always touting 'a good guy with gun' that never seems to be around 98% of the time.

'He killed 20 people, wounded 70...with the local police station 100 yards away'
With the belief there were bombs involved you retard, even the military would have hesitated.

He would have killed a LOT more if he had a 30 round magazine and a lighter weapon.
Your 'whataboutisms' isn't even debatable.

He killed more than the Boulder shooter who had n AR-15….why? Because in Boulder the police went right in and he stopped shooting people……it isnt the gun it is the gun free zone locaton, you idiot

 

[2aguy]

Fucking retard.
Trumptards and the NRA, always touting 'a good guy with gun' that never seems to be around 98% of the time.

'He killed 20 people, wounded 70...with the local police station 100 yards away'
With the belief there were bombs involved you retard, even the military would have hesitated.

He would have killed a LOT more if he had a 30 round magazine and a lighter weapon.
Your 'whataboutisms' isn't even debatable.

It isnt what about when it actually happened you dipshit.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Las Vegas shooter was firing for only 10 minutes.

Indeed. Expended 1100 rounds. Killed only 59 people.
Had he made a better choice for a weapon, he could have expanded that by a factor of 5 -- maybe 10.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Tumbling or ricocheting on impact or shortly thereafter usually a bone or heavy muscular tissue.

Ah yes - the instability of the M193 round after impact.
You know that a heavier, slower bullet - like 7.62x51 - does a lot more damage -- right?

 

[M14 Shooter]

'
The Navy Yard shooter used a pump action shotgun and killed 12'.

Indeed.
Every mass shooting in the US - save one - could have been equally perpetrated with a pump-action shotgun.

 

[M14 Shooter]

COULD have, but without the same capacity as a military style assault weapon and without the bulkiness.

The obvious point you missed:
If all (but one) of the mass shootings cperpetraed withan 'assault weapon' could have been equallp perpetraed with a pump-action shotgun, then rate of fire and magazine capacity does no thave an effect on the number of casualties in mass shootings.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not anti-guns, moron.
Anti gun nut who think they are entitled.

Entitled to... exercise their right to keep and bear arms without infringement?
You bet. Constitution says so.
Why do you hate the constitution?

Pointing out a fact.

And still not a sound argument for banning 'assault weapons'

That is a lie.

1999-2019, accidental gun deals average 612 per year.
Thus: minuscule
And has nothing to do with a sound argument against 'assault weapons'.

Pointing out another fact,

A question is not a fact, and does not constitute as sound argument against 'assault wepaons'

f gun nuts need 60 rounds to hit or kill something...

Fallacy: Straw man.

If people cant operate the weapon responsibly, then remove the weapon.

20,000,000 AR15s in the US
Over the last 40 years, 16 of them have been used to kill 266 people in 'mass shootings'
That's 0.4 rifles per year, to kill 6.65 people per year.
Out of 20,000,000 guns, over 40 years.
There's no rational basis for your "if" proposition; this being the case, the "then" is moot.

Sure it is, by who?

By me.
You have not, and can not, present a sound argument against 'assault weapons' because there is none.
Thus, your statement is a lie.