THis will not stand

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Making a Us citizen do something against their will should be intolerable for anyone. It violates your freedom and the people who jammed this down our throats are going to pay in every way. I've been told that I have to get insurace well you can go fuck yourself. I am a free person and not a slave of the government.
 

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While I do believe this Bill is the first step in creating a Euro-trash socialist system, the Bill in its current state actually REWARDS the "insurance cartels," as Bgfrn called insurance companies. I mean, you have to buy insurance, isn't that encouraging them to keep going?!

But being forced to buy a product when there's no Constitutional grounds (of any kind) is abominable.
 

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Excuse me , but hasn't auto insurance been mandatory (i.e.-the law, you will buy it) for years?

hasn't Workers Comp also been mandatory for years?

On that note, did you know that WC is mandatory , even if you have ZERO workers, and because the executive officers of a type S corp can be the only de facto 'workers' , and sign off on themselves the policy is mandatory , AND effectively covers nobody in the company?

Perhaps if some of you flag waving freedom loving Americans could delve into the past debacles of big insurance legislating itself into what you suddenly precieve as corporate totaltarianism , you'd be better prepared to comment on it

~S~
 

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Making a Us citizen do something against their will should be intolerable for anyone. It violates your freedom and the people who jammed this down our throats are going to pay in every way. I've been told that I have to get insurace well you can go fuck yourself. I am a free person and not a slave of the government.

It'll stand.

You might get away with not buying HC insurance, but generally, this law is the law of the land.

If you get a paycheck from an employer, you're going to have a hard time NOT paying for HC insurance.


Maybe, if you're a self employed type, and you cheat on your taxes, you MIGHT get away with it.

Until you get sick, of course.
 

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If you do a little research you will find that it was the republicans that first came up with the insurance mandate.:eusa_whistle:
 

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Making a Us citizen do something against their will should be intolerable for anyone. It violates your freedom and the people who jammed this down our throats are going to pay in every way. I've been told that I have to get insurace well you can go fuck yourself. I am a free person and not a slave of the government.
You must be laboring under a false impression that you're free or something like that. Here is a short list of things that Americans are forced to do against their will.

1. Wear seatbelts
2. Wear motorcycle helments (in some states)
3. Participate in social security.
4. Participate in medicare
5. Pay taxes
6. Buy drivers licenses
7. Buy any occupational license
8. Finance wars (for the anti-war crowd)



And those are just off the cuff. Americans being forced to do things against their will is part and parcel of the history of the US and any other nation that has aspirations of being more than a neighborhood.
 

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If you do a little research you will find that it was the republicans that first came up with the insurance mandate.:eusa_whistle:
Because it came from the insurance companies. Anybody with half a brain and who even half azzed understands the ponzi scheme that is insurance knows that the bigger the pool the more successful the insurance plan. The biggest possible pool occurs when it's mandated that everyone particpates.
 

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Excuse me , but hasn't auto insurance been mandatory (i.e.-the law, you will buy it) for years?

hasn't Workers Comp also been mandatory for years?

Specious Comparisons.

The requirement for auto insurance involves Liability Coverage in case one causes harm to others as a condition for sharing the public roads. One is not required to cover insurance for harm to oneself.

Worker's comp is insurance for being hurt on the job - for which one give up one's right to sue. It is income insurance while one cannot work - and involves the worker actually engaging in an activity to apply (working). (I'm not a supporter of this piece of big government lobbying efforts which causes individuals to give up rights.)

Mandating health insurance is forcing someone who is inactive (opting out) into action merely because that person is alive in America. That person's mere existence causes no threat to others (unlike sharing a road) - nor is there any activity similar to working to trigger a quid pro quo.
 
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Excuse me , but hasn't auto insurance been mandatory (i.e.-the law, you will buy it) for years?

hasn't Workers Comp also been mandatory for years?

On that note, did you know that WC is mandatory , even if you have ZERO workers, and because the executive officers of a type S corp can be the only de facto 'workers' , and sign off on themselves the policy is mandatory , AND effectively covers nobody in the company?

Perhaps if some of you flag waving freedom loving Americans could delve into the past debacles of big insurance legislating itself into what you suddenly precieve as corporate totaltarianism , you'd be better prepared to comment on it

~S~
Well here is where your point as so many like to bring up, is 100% wrong and invalid. Auto insurance is required only if you DECIDE you want to drive a car. The feds don't force you to drive, and they don't require you to start a company, therefor nobody is required to buy auto insurance or pay WC.

Only people that CHOOSE to drive or CHOOSE to start a company must pay. Nobody is required to buy a car or start a company.

My sister-in-law lives in New York and takes the bus everywhere and does not need a car. She does not drive at all and does not have a DL. This Bill would be like telling her that even though she does not drive or even own a car or even have a DL, she needs to pay a car insurance premium every month to cover someone else that has a car and drives. How is that American?
 
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Excuse me , but hasn't auto insurance been mandatory (i.e.-the law, you will buy it) for years?

hasn't Workers Comp also been mandatory for years?

On that note, did you know that WC is mandatory , even if you have ZERO workers, and because the executive officers of a type S corp can be the only de facto 'workers' , and sign off on themselves the policy is mandatory , AND effectively covers nobody in the company?

Perhaps if some of you flag waving freedom loving Americans could delve into the past debacles of big insurance legislating itself into what you suddenly precieve as corporate totaltarianism , you'd be better prepared to comment on it

~S~


you can give up on the auto insurance arguement...not the same animal. My health can't do 2500 bucks worth of damage to you bumper. If I damage your property, then I should have to pay for it. If I hurt your body, then I should have to pay for it. If I get sick, I'm not wronging you...these laws of protection designed to protect you from me, don't apply in health insurance.
 

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Not sure how they have come up with the fact that ins rates will come down....Forcing all Americans to have insurance will increase the supply and demand, which will drive prices up. Covering existing conditions will too. Since they can't drop them, those with lots of sick people on their rolls can probably close shop and re-open as a new company. I see this helping the insurance companies more than the people...no wonder they are endorsing it. You'd think that requiring them to cover pre-existing conditions would turn them against it...but apparently there is a way out.
 
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Excuse me , but hasn't auto insurance been mandatory (i.e.-the law, you will buy it) for years?

hasn't Workers Comp also been mandatory for years?

Specious Comparisons.

The requirement for auto insurance involves Liability Coverage in case one causes harm to others as a condition for sharing the public roads. One is not required to cover insurance for harm to oneself.

Worker's comp is insurance for being hurt on the job - for which one give up one's right to sue. It is income insurance while one cannot work - and involves the worker actually engaging in an activity to apply (working). (I'm not a supporter of this piece of big government lobbying efforts which causes individuals to give up rights.)

Mandating health insurance is forcing someone who is inactive (opting out) into action merely because that person is alive in America. That person's mere existence causes no threat to others (unlike sharing a road) - nor is there any activity similar to working to trigger a quid pro quo.

I guess you don't understand how insurance works since you think those w/o insurance don't cause harm to those with insurance.
 

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Excuse me , but hasn't auto insurance been mandatory (i.e.-the law, you will buy it) for years?

hasn't Workers Comp also been mandatory for years?

On that note, did you know that WC is mandatory , even if you have ZERO workers, and because the executive officers of a type S corp can be the only de facto 'workers' , and sign off on themselves the policy is mandatory , AND effectively covers nobody in the company?

Perhaps if some of you flag waving freedom loving Americans could delve into the past debacles of big insurance legislating itself into what you suddenly precieve as corporate totaltarianism , you'd be better prepared to comment on it

~S~


you can give up on the auto insurance arguement...not the same animal. My health can't do 2500 bucks worth of damage to you bumper. If I damage your property, then I should have to pay for it. If I hurt your body, then I should have to pay for it. If I get sick, I'm not wronging you...these laws of protection designed to protect you from me, don't apply in health insurance.
Actually, it can do more damage than that. If you don't have health insurance (and you only have liability auto coverage) and you get hurt in a car accident, your treatment does indeed affect how much my insurance costs.

Are there not any wingnuts that actually understand how health insurance works?
 

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Making a Us citizen do something against their will should be intolerable for anyone. It violates your freedom and the people who jammed this down our throats are going to pay in every way. I've been told that I have to get insurace well you can go fuck yourself. I am a free person and not a slave of the government.
Please refuse your Social Security Check (you can opt out). Please refuse your MedicAre (You can opt out)..

Otherwise you are just another right-wing hypocrite.
 

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Making a Us citizen do something against their will should be intolerable for anyone. It violates your freedom and the people who jammed this down our throats are going to pay in every way. I've been told that I have to get insurace well you can go fuck yourself. I am a free person and not a slave of the government.
Do you feel violated? Like someone just rammed something up your ass?
 

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Excuse me , but hasn't auto insurance been mandatory (i.e.-the law, you will buy it) for years?

hasn't Workers Comp also been mandatory for years?

Specious Comparisons.

The requirement for auto insurance involves Liability Coverage in case one causes harm to others as a condition for sharing the public roads. One is not required to cover insurance for harm to oneself.

Worker's comp is insurance for being hurt on the job - for which one give up one's right to sue. It is income insurance while one cannot work - and involves the worker actually engaging in an activity to apply (working). (I'm not a supporter of this piece of big government lobbying efforts which causes individuals to give up rights.)

Mandating health insurance is forcing someone who is inactive (opting out) into action merely because that person is alive in America. That person's mere existence causes no threat to others (unlike sharing a road) - nor is there any activity similar to working to trigger a quid pro quo.

I guess you don't understand how insurance works since you think those w/o insurance don't cause harm to those with insurance.
They dont. Those without insurance use ER's...at the cost of the taxpayer...and we are OK with this. We do not see it as hurting us...we see it as a ramification for having a free market healthcare system.

Now, we will be paying for it AND not have the benefit of a free market helath care system.

And as for auto insurance.....you are only mandated to purchase it if you opt to own a car. So yes, it is personal choice.

With THIS HC law, you MUST purchase insurance regardless of what you do in your life.

You have no choice involved....you live thereofre you must buy.

It is unprecedented.
 
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Making a Us citizen do something against their will should be intolerable for anyone. It violates your freedom and the people who jammed this down our throats are going to pay in every way. I've been told that I have to get insurace well you can go fuck yourself. I am a free person and not a slave of the government.
Please refuse your Social Security Check (you can opt out). Please refuse your MedicAre (You can opt out)..

Otherwise you are just another right-wing hypocrite.
Please refuse Obamacare (you can opt out)..oh, wait.
 

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Excuse me , but hasn't auto insurance been mandatory (i.e.-the law, you will buy it) for years?

hasn't Workers Comp also been mandatory for years?

On that note, did you know that WC is mandatory , even if you have ZERO workers, and because the executive officers of a type S corp can be the only de facto 'workers' , and sign off on themselves the policy is mandatory , AND effectively covers nobody in the company?

Perhaps if some of you flag waving freedom loving Americans could delve into the past debacles of big insurance legislating itself into what you suddenly precieve as corporate totaltarianism , you'd be better prepared to comment on it

~S~


you can give up on the auto insurance arguement...not the same animal. My health can't do 2500 bucks worth of damage to you bumper. If I damage your property, then I should have to pay for it. If I hurt your body, then I should have to pay for it. If I get sick, I'm not wronging you...these laws of protection designed to protect you from me, don't apply in health insurance.
Actually, it can do more damage than that. If you don't have health insurance (and you only have liability auto coverage) and you get hurt in a car accident, your treatment does indeed affect how much my insurance costs.

Are there not any wingnuts that actually understand how health insurance works?
Yeah...I do.....and reading what you have been saying, I fear that you may not yourself.

First of all, Auto is by state.

Secondly, there is a big difference between collisssion (NOT a mandate ) and liability (a mandate)...note: Collission may be a mandate by contract you may have with the financing company of your automobile

SO go ahead....ask away....do your best to try to convince me that Auto Insurance mandates are the same as the new healthcare mandate.

But I warn you....I use facts, not talking points....so toss me facts...not talking points.
 

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Making a Us citizen do something against their will should be intolerable for anyone. It violates your freedom and the people who jammed this down our throats are going to pay in every way. I've been told that I have to get insurace well you can go fuck yourself. I am a free person and not a slave of the government.
Please refuse your Social Security Check (you can opt out). Please refuse your MedicAre (You can opt out)..

Otherwise you are just another right-wing hypocrite.
You only pay SS if you opt to work.....you only pay MediCare if you opt to work.

Nice try....but not even close.
 

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