There's a price to be paid for retribution.

[j-mac]

You're so cute when you flail around waving your arms to make up for any credibility with your pathetic trolling. A tactic you've mastered. But in the end, you've got nothing.

A ou what I expect from you…gaslighting

 

[berg80]

You just keep in mind how you would restrain a President when a D wins, if that ever happens again….

Well, the next Dem prez, even a Repub prez if the party ever elects anyone with the country's best interests in mind again, has a monumental task ahead. The entire government has been so infested with unqualified trump hacks and loyalists it's going to have to be a focus of attention to get rid of them. The irony being trump has spent years railing against what was a fictitious "deep state" and then he created one.

 

[j-mac]

Well, the next Dem prez, even a Repub prez if the party ever elects anyone with the country's best interests in mind again, has a monumental task ahead. The entire government has been so infested with unqualified trump hacks and loyalists it's going to have to be a focus of attention to get rid of them. The irony being trump has spent years railing against what was a fictitious "deep state" and then he created one.

So, you’re dreaming of doing what you say Trump is doing…got it

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[Seth]

You took quite a leap there by implying the investigation was compromised because of largely clerical errors on the FISA warrant application forms. The key finding from Horowitz's report being the lack of evidence there was any political bias in the application or approval of the warrants. There was ample evidence available to justify looking in to trump's actions irrespective of the information inspiring the FISA warrant applications.

The criteria for the removal of FBI officials by trump was simply that they participated in or approved investigations in to members of his 1/6 mob or himself. Not only for his failed coup but for his theft of classified docs and subsequent refusal to comply with a subpoena for their return. No evidence has been made public that shows the firings were justified.

Fair points—and I appreciate the pushback.

I don’t mean to imply the investigation itself was invalid just because the FISA process had issues. What caught my attention was how some of those involved in approving or handling those processes were later dismissed under Trump. That pattern raises questions—though I admit, my “poetic justice” comment might’ve leaned a bit theatrical. Guess I watched too many courtroom dramas growing up.

That said, I’m still trying to sort through the timeline: Were these dismissals based solely on conduct related to Jan 6 and classified docs, as you noted, or did any overlap with personnel involved in earlier surveillance missteps? Not to imply guilt—just wondering if there’s documentation showing who was let go and why, and whether any of it ties back to the Horowitz report findings.

I’d love to dig deeper if you’ve got a source that clearly traces those firings and their stated justifications. Always open to learning more—especially when the plot gets this complicated.

 

[berg80]

So, you’re dreaming of doing what you say Trump is doing…got it

Here's an example of the kinds of "only the best" people the trump DoJ has hired.

Thread 'It's difficult if not impossible to express in words just how thoroughly co-opted the DoJ has become'

Jul 3, 2025

Pardoned Jan. 6 Rioter Who Threatened Police Joins Justice Dept.

A former F.B.I. agent who was charged with encouraging the mob that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to kill police officers has been named as an adviser to the Justice Department task force that President Trump established to seek retribution against his political enemies.

The former agent, Jared L. Wise, is serving as a counselor to Ed Martin, the director of the so-called Weaponization Working Group, according to people familiar with the group’s activities.

Mr. Martin, a...

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[berg80]

What caught my attention was how some of those involved in approving or handling those processes were later dismissed under Trump.

Who for example?

From AI.......
Some of the individuals named include:

• Six of the FBI's most senior executives: These individuals were described as the top managers of the bureau.
• Robert Wells, Ryan Young, Robert Nordwall, and Jackie Maguire: Top FBI managers in charge of specific branches (National Security, Intelligence, Criminal and Cyber Response, Science and Technology).
• Multiple heads of FBI field offices: Including the head of the Washington, D.C. field office. Two heads of field offices, Jeffrey Veltri in Miami and David Sundberg in Washington, D.C., were also specifically named.
• Arlene Gaylord: Executive assistant director, a 33-year FBI veteran, who requested a different assignment until retirement eligibility.
• Jeffrey Veltri and Spencer Evans: Special agents in charge of the Miami and Las Vegas field offices respectively, who were ousted or informed of their dismissals.
• Dena Perkins: An acting section chief in the security division involved in a disciplinary proceeding against a conservative FBI agent.
• J. William Rivers: Involved in human resources.

Contextual Information:

• These removals occurred around the same time that Trump officials forced out around two dozen prosecutors who had investigated individuals involved in the January 6th Capitol riot.
• The removals followed a request from the Trump Justice Department for a list of all FBI employees who worked on criminal cases against individuals involved in the January 6th riot.
• While some officials were eligible for retirement, the removals raised concerns about political motivations and the potential for a "mass retaliation" within the FBI.
• A key aspect of this situation involves Acting Deputy Attorney General Emil Bove, who reportedly ordered the terminations and sought the list of agents who worked on January 6th cases.

 

[j-mac]

Here's an example of the kinds of "only the best" people the trump DoJ has hired.

Thread 'It's difficult if not impossible to express in words just how thoroughly co-opted the DoJ has become'

Jul 3, 2025

Pardoned Jan. 6 Rioter Who Threatened Police Joins Justice Dept.

A former F.B.I. agent who was charged with encouraging the mob that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to kill police officers has been named as an adviser to the Justice Department task force that President Trump established to seek retribution against his political enemies.

The former agent, Jared L. Wise, is serving as a counselor to Ed Martin, the director of the so-called Weaponization Working Group, according to people familiar with the group’s activities.

Mr. Martin, a...

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Nothing you can do about it, so I guess y’all are just gonna have to eat shit…

 

[berg80]

Nothing you can do about it, so I guess y’all are just gonna have to eat shit…

Nothing you can do to refute my premise so I'll leave the consumption of shit to you.

 

[j-mac]

Nothing you can do to refute my premise so I'll leave the consumption of shit to you.

I’m not the one serial posting in here, that’d be you shithead.

 

[Seth]

Who for example?

Appreciate the list! That’s helpful context.

Some of these names line up with the usual retirements and reshuffling, but others do raise an eyebrow—especially considering the timing and how it aligns with certain political flashpoints. At a glance, it’s hard not to wonder whether we’re looking at routine turnover or a carefully curated game of bureaucratic musical chairs.

That said, I’m not here to pick a team or crown a villain. Just trying to keep the lights on upstairs and stay curious.

Do you think there’s any way to have these conversations without every path leading back to “Trump broke democracy” or “the Deep State framed him”? Or are we just stuck in a choose-your-own-apocalypse loop?

 

[scruffy]

Trump’s Politicized F.B.I. Has Made Americans Less Safe

Only 11 days after President Trump was inaugurated for a second term, his administration began a purge of the F.B.I. that now threatens some of the bureau’s most important missions. His appointees ousted eight of its most experienced managers, including the division heads overseeing national security, cybersecurity and criminal investigations. Several had worked on prosecutions of Jan. 6 rioters or had assisted in the various investigations of Mr. Trump, and Emil Bove, then the acting deputy attorney general, said they could not be trusted to carry out the president’s agenda.

That was just the beginning. Over the past five months, many F.B.I. agents, including other top managers and national security experts, have been fired, pressured to leave or transferred to lesser roles. Hundreds have resigned on their own, unwilling to follow the demands of the Trump administration. Their absence has left a vacuum in divisions that are supposed to protect the public. These losses have “obliterated decades of experience in national security and criminal matters at the F.B.I.,” Adam Goldman of The Times wrote.

Mr. Trump’s playbook for the F.B.I. is plain to see. He is turning it into an enforcement agency for MAGA’s priorities. He is chasing out agents who might refuse to play along and installing loyalists in their place. He is seeking to remove the threat of investigation for his friends and allies. And he is trying to instill fear in his critics and political opponents. Among his many efforts to weaken American democracy and amass more power for himself, his politicization of the F.B.I. is one of the most blatant.

These developments should unsettle all Americans, regardless of party.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/05/opinion/trump-fbi-politics-safety.html

trump’s second term has done more damage to American democracy than anything else since Reconstruction. He is attempting, with some success, to create a presidency unconstrained by Congress or the courts (while being enabled by the Roberts court), in which he and his appointees can ignore written law at their choosing. It is exactly the autocratic approach that the founders sought to prevent when writing the Constitution.

While doing so he has left the nation less safe. All to satisfy his need for revenge against those who investigated his many crimes. As if firing the investigators wiped the slate clean of the illegal acts they uncovered.

More leftard pablum.

Biden is the one responsible for ignoring the law.

Sucks to be a Democrat right now.

Sorry but the pendulum has to swing the other way for a while.

Democrats fucked up big time.

 

[Foxfyre]

No one is irreplaceable.

"Hundreds have resigned on their own, unwilling to follow the demands of the Trump administration."

The closest thing we have to irreplaceable right now if President Trump himself. Nobody else in leadership roles has anything close to his vision, his aptitude, his instincts, his ability to see and solve problems and achieve objectives or his courage to utilize trial and error to find solutions that actually work to fix problems.

That is true despite the times he appears a bit over the top in his responses to people, his tendency to be an actual person instead of a professional politicians, is a bit irritating or annoying.

He is a promises made promises kept kind of guy. One of the promises he made was to clean up an evil, corrupt, dangerous deep state as much as possible. The FBI was a great place to start to accomplish that.

 

[westwall]

Trump’s Politicized F.B.I. Has Made Americans Less Safe

Only 11 days after President Trump was inaugurated for a second term, his administration began a purge of the F.B.I. that now threatens some of the bureau’s most important missions. His appointees ousted eight of its most experienced managers, including the division heads overseeing national security, cybersecurity and criminal investigations. Several had worked on prosecutions of Jan. 6 rioters or had assisted in the various investigations of Mr. Trump, and Emil Bove, then the acting deputy attorney general, said they could not be trusted to carry out the president’s agenda.

That was just the beginning. Over the past five months, many F.B.I. agents, including other top managers and national security experts, have been fired, pressured to leave or transferred to lesser roles. Hundreds have resigned on their own, unwilling to follow the demands of the Trump administration. Their absence has left a vacuum in divisions that are supposed to protect the public. These losses have “obliterated decades of experience in national security and criminal matters at the F.B.I.,” Adam Goldman of The Times wrote.

Mr. Trump’s playbook for the F.B.I. is plain to see. He is turning it into an enforcement agency for MAGA’s priorities. He is chasing out agents who might refuse to play along and installing loyalists in their place. He is seeking to remove the threat of investigation for his friends and allies. And he is trying to instill fear in his critics and political opponents. Among his many efforts to weaken American democracy and amass more power for himself, his politicization of the F.B.I. is one of the most blatant.

These developments should unsettle all Americans, regardless of party.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/05/opinion/trump-fbi-politics-safety.html

trump’s second term has done more damage to American democracy than anything else since Reconstruction. He is attempting, with some success, to create a presidency unconstrained by Congress or the courts (while being enabled by the Roberts court), in which he and his appointees can ignore written law at their choosing. It is exactly the autocratic approach that the founders sought to prevent when writing the Constitution.

While doing so he has left the nation less safe. All to satisfy his need for revenge against those who investigated his many crimes. As if firing the investigators wiped the slate clean of the illegal acts they uncovered.

Retribution.

You clods are idiots. None of you idiots would be alive if there were actual retribution going on.

 

[berg80]

I’m not the one serial posting in here, that’d be you shithead.

How tired you must be from tap dancing around the circumstance of your inability to refute my premise. Did you think I wouldn't notice?

 

[berg80]

The closest thing we have to irreplaceable right now if President Trump himself. Nobody else in leadership roles has anything close to his vision, his aptitude, his instincts, his ability to see and solve problems and achieve objectives or his courage to utilize trial and error to find solutions that actually work to fix problems.

If he was asked to review the specific policy changes in the bill and their impact on America without using lies, insipid platitudes, and fatuous generalizations do you actually think he could?

 

[Orangecat]

Most people don't have any understanding of what the "FISA mess" revealed.

An unprovable opinion, that.

 

[Foxfyre]

If he was asked to review the specific policy changes in the bill and their impact on America without using lies, insipid platitudes, and fatuous generalizations do you actually think he could?

I think he does all the time and without using any lies, insipid platitudes or fatuous generalizations.

On the other hand do you think you could evaluate the bill and its impact on America honestly and intelligently without political propaganda and misrepresentation?

 

[Billiejeens]

Trump’s Politicized F.B.I. Has Made Americans Less Safe

Only 11 days after President Trump was inaugurated for a second term, his administration began a purge of the F.B.I. that now threatens some of the bureau’s most important missions. His appointees ousted eight of its most experienced managers, including the division heads overseeing national security, cybersecurity and criminal investigations. Several had worked on prosecutions of Jan. 6 rioters or had assisted in the various investigations of Mr. Trump, and Emil Bove, then the acting deputy attorney general, said they could not be trusted to carry out the president’s agenda.

That was just the beginning. Over the past five months, many F.B.I. agents, including other top managers and national security experts, have been fired, pressured to leave or transferred to lesser roles. Hundreds have resigned on their own, unwilling to follow the demands of the Trump administration. Their absence has left a vacuum in divisions that are supposed to protect the public. These losses have “obliterated decades of experience in national security and criminal matters at the F.B.I.,” Adam Goldman of The Times wrote.

Mr. Trump’s playbook for the F.B.I. is plain to see. He is turning it into an enforcement agency for MAGA’s priorities. He is chasing out agents who might refuse to play along and installing loyalists in their place. He is seeking to remove the threat of investigation for his friends and allies. And he is trying to instill fear in his critics and political opponents. Among his many efforts to weaken American democracy and amass more power for himself, his politicization of the F.B.I. is one of the most blatant.

These developments should unsettle all Americans, regardless of party.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/05/opinion/trump-fbi-politics-safety.html

trump’s second term has done more damage to American democracy than anything else since Reconstruction. He is attempting, with some success, to create a presidency unconstrained by Congress or the courts (while being enabled by the Roberts court), in which he and his appointees can ignore written law at their choosing. It is exactly the autocratic approach that the founders sought to prevent when writing the Constitution.

While doing so he has left the nation less safe. All to satisfy his need for revenge against those who investigated his many crimes. As if firing the investigators wiped the slate clean of the illegal acts they uncovered.

Thank you President Trump

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump’s Politicized F.B.I. Has Made Americans Less Safe

...for CORRUPT POS lowlife scum wormy rat Democrats.