There will NOT be an Ukranian Peace Deal

[kyzr]

It was part of the USSR not Russia
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Crimea is part of that nation
You just don’t take it

So who is going to take it back? Putin is keeping it.

 

[Meister]

They killed around 500k Russian soldiers. Cheaper than our lads dying.

There are two dictators waging a war, and neither wants to be serious about
ending it. After months of Trump's administration mediating with the two, nothing has changed.
Time for us to cut the funding.

 

[Correll]

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn.

Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also voted to be returned to Russia or the other Russian areas that Russian forces have liberated and have been reincorporated into Russia.


In other words, so far, other than Crimea, President Trump has offered President Putin none of the former Russian territory that is now again part of Russia herself. Is the implication that Putin must hand back to Ukraine the territory from which Russian soldiers have driven out Ukrainian soldiers? So Putin’s 3+ years of war was all for nothing?

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal​

By Paul Craig Roberts



April 24, 2025

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal - LewRockwell

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn. Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also...

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I'm sure that Trump realizes that his initial offer will be rejected.

And he is prepared to offer more as negotiations continue. If they ever get started in earnest.

 

[Meister]

Nothing there which backs up your claim.

Nice try.

What's my claim? You make shit up and argue that.

 

[bendog]

Putin's economy is collapsing, and he has two new NATO members on his borders.

Now is NOT the time to start yielding. We need to increase the pressure.

Reagan understood that with Afghanistan.

Yeah Reagan used Afghanistan.

but appeasers like Meister would possibly have a point that Ukraine doesn't help us with anything, but most observers had no illusions that "Vladimer's" aims go farther than Ukraine. The appeasers would say "so what."

And the difference in views is simply that the non-isolationists believe we benefit from trade, so it is in our interests to have a strong military to prevent any non-capitalist regimes, like "Valdimer" and Jina, from messing with our economic power.

 

[kyzr]

no it was not a deflection. Trump's given away his pressure on "Vladimer."

How?

Trump has $300b of Vlad's cash in western banks
Trump has a hold on Putin's oil fleet
Trump is driving the price of oil down
Trump still has sanctions on Russia

 

[bendog]

There are two dictators waging a war, and neither wants to be serious about
ending it. After months of Trump's administration mediating with the two, nothing has changed.
Time for us to cut the funding.

see post 85. adios

 

[Invisibleflash]

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn.

Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also voted to be returned to Russia or the other Russian areas that Russian forces have liberated and have been reincorporated into Russia.


In other words, so far, other than Crimea, President Trump has offered President Putin none of the former Russian territory that is now again part of Russia herself. Is the implication that Putin must hand back to Ukraine the territory from which Russian soldiers have driven out Ukrainian soldiers? So Putin’s 3+ years of war was all for nothing?

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal​

By Paul Craig Roberts



April 24, 2025

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal - LewRockwell

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn. Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also...

www.lewrockwell.com

OK. And besides that, you got big man Trump in the deal. Biggest balls on the planet!

 

[rightwinger]

So who is going to take it back? Putin is keeping it.

Same for any other captured territory
The US learned we can easily capture territory, but occupying contested territory comes at a price.

Without a peace agreement, Ukraine can continue drone attacks on occupation forces. Maintaining that force is a strain on your economy….can Russia keep it up

 

[g5000]

What's my claim? You make shit up and argue that.

Really?

This, dipshit:

A lot of money laundering was/is going on in that country.

Now prove it.

You've stepped in it, son.

Are you going to tell me about Zelensky's yachts? Don't tell me you are going to talk about Zelensky's yachts

 

[Zincwarrior]

Zelensky has no claim to Crimea, it was Russia's until Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in 1954, the Crimeans speak Russian, NFW Zelensky takes it back. Trump's sanctions are hurting Putin. Sanctions are cheaper than military aid.

No. Crimea was part of Ukraine before Ukraine was conquered by Catherine the Great.

 

[theHawk]

It was part of the USSR not Russia
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Crimea is part of that nation
You just don’t take it

Wrong:

1900:

1815:

It was Russia’s land long before there was a USSR.

Why do you lie so much?

 

[kyzr]

Same for any other captured territory
The US learned we can easily capture territory, but occupying contested territory comes at a price.
Without a peace agreement, Ukraine can continue drone attacks on occupation forces. Maintaining that force is a strain on your economy….can Russia keep it up

Crimea is happy to be part of Russia, there would be on insurgency.
If Ukraine isn't careful and keeps poking the bear, a nuke could be the price, as Putin says, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

 

[kyzr]

No. Crimea was part of Ukraine before Ukraine was conquered by Catherine the Great.

So how come they speak Russian?
That is Putin's trigger, if they speak primarily Russian he wants that area part of Russia.

 

[Meister]

Really?

This, dipshit:




Now prove it.

You've stepped in it, son.

Are you going to tell me about Zelensky's yachts? Don't tell me you are going to talk about Zelensky's yachts

You were talking about the Putin Trump love affair, you bone head.

 

[JWBooth]

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn.

Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also voted to be returned to Russia or the other Russian areas that Russian forces have liberated and have been reincorporated into Russia.


In other words, so far, other than Crimea, President Trump has offered President Putin none of the former Russian territory that is now again part of Russia herself. Is the implication that Putin must hand back to Ukraine the territory from which Russian soldiers have driven out Ukrainian soldiers? So Putin’s 3+ years of war was all for nothing?

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal​

By Paul Craig Roberts



April 24, 2025

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal - LewRockwell

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn. Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also...

www.lewrockwell.com

There were referendums in Luhansk and Donetsk which overwhelmingly carried for joining Russia, and back then Putin said no.

 

[JWBooth]

What is Putin offering?

Stop grinding the Uke Army into mush.

 

[rightwinger]

Stop grinding the Uke Army into mush.

Putin has lost hundreds of thousands, most of his modern tanks and his Black Sea fleet in his iladvised invasion

He needs a way out

 

[MisterBeale]

"$200 million were raised for Ukraine and distributed through FTX to a bank in Ukraine, but records show the Ukrainian government only used $22 million of that money. The remaining $178 million appears to have vanished, leading people to suspect it was laundered back to the United States. . "

Is the Ukraine War a MASSIVE Money Laundering Scheme? | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary

Billions of USD Laundered as Aid to Ukraine Laundered Back to Democrats via FTX Crypto Platform

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Dem Megadonor Under Federal Investigation Bankrolled Lawmakers Overseeing The Agency He Was Lobbying​

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FTX partnership with Ukraine is latest chapter in shady Western aid saga​

FTX partnership with Ukraine is latest chapter in shady Western aid saga - The Grayzone

The Ukrainian government mysteriously disappeared online records of its fundraising arrangement with the FTX crypto scam just days before the scandal erupted. The initiative claims to have raised $60 million for Ukraine, but where did the money go? The demise of FTX, the fifth-biggest...

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Billions of USD Laundered as Aid to Ukraine Laundered Back to Democrats via FTX Crypto Platform

Beyond the Smoke & Mirrors

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A lot of money considered to be "aid to Ukraine" is actually spent in the US. In this op ed, Mark Cancian argues that eliminating that funding would be bad business for both Ukraine and American interests.​

Most ‘aid to Ukraine’ is spent in the US. A total shutdown would be irresponsible. - Breaking Defense​

 

[80zephyr]

Trump is being stupid and cheap. Billions spent now will save trillions later, if Putin decides the Baltics or Poland are next.

Putin can't even beat the Ukraine. He was told by his military how great they were...until the fighting started.

Putin is not an idiot.