There will NOT be an Ukranian Peace Deal

[Meister]

All they want is stuff, not our money or troops. It’s material that will be scrapped, surplussed or mothballed, anyway and replacements would be made by US workers.

Why has the US sent "our money" to Ukraine?

CLAIM: The U.S. is not providing cash to Ukraine; it only supports the country through donated military equipment.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. While the U.S. is indeed providing weapons and equipment to Ukraine, it has also provided billions in financial assistance to the country

US has provided money, not just equipment, to Ukraine

False. While the U.S. is indeed providing weapons and equipment to Ukraine, it has also provided billions in financial assistance to the country following Russia’s invasion.

apnews.com

 

[konradv]

Why has the US sent "our money" to Ukraine?

CLAIM: The U.S. is not providing cash to Ukraine; it only supports the country through donated military equipment.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. While the U.S. is indeed providing weapons and equipment to Ukraine, it has also provided billions in financial assistance to the country

US has provided money, not just equipment, to Ukraine

False. While the U.S. is indeed providing weapons and equipment to Ukraine, it has also provided billions in financial assistance to the country following Russia’s invasion.

apnews.com

Billions now vs trillions later. Dictators don’t stop when they win.

 

[theHawk]

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn.

Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also voted to be returned to Russia or the other Russian areas that Russian forces have liberated and have been reincorporated into Russia.


In other words, so far, other than Crimea, President Trump has offered President Putin none of the former Russian territory that is now again part of Russia herself. Is the implication that Putin must hand back to Ukraine the territory from which Russian soldiers have driven out Ukrainian soldiers? So Putin’s 3+ years of war was all for nothing?

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal​

By Paul Craig Roberts



April 24, 2025

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal - LewRockwell

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn. Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also...

www.lewrockwell.com

Zelensky won’t be happy until all the Christians in his country are slaughtered. Then he’ll agree to a peace deal.

 

[Meister]

Trump is being stupid and cheap. Billions spent now will save trillions later, if Putin decides the Baltics or Poland are next.

Seems that 'comrade Kon' is a warmonger.
What comrade Kon is saying is that WE, the taxpayers need to keep spending
billions on this war that is thousands of miles away from us, to save WE, the
taxpayers TRILLIONS later. How about we just cut our losses and move on, comrade Kon?
Send your allowance and leave WE the tax payers out of it.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Trump is being stupid and cheap. Billions spent now will save trillions later, if Putin decides the Baltics or Poland are next.

With all due respect, Konradv? Do you really think Putin is going to jump into another war after getting his nose bloodied so badly in Ukraine? Use your head. He needs money to rebuild his military and Trump is starving his economy by lowering the price of oil and natural gas.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Billions now vs trillions later. Dictators don’t stop when they win.

Dictators need revenue to finance wars. They "stop" when they can't afford to buy bullets!

 

[MisterBeale]

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn.

Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also voted to be returned to Russia or the other Russian areas that Russian forces have liberated and have been reincorporated into Russia.


In other words, so far, other than Crimea, President Trump has offered President Putin none of the former Russian territory that is now again part of Russia herself. Is the implication that Putin must hand back to Ukraine the territory from which Russian soldiers have driven out Ukrainian soldiers? So Putin’s 3+ years of war was all for nothing?

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal​

By Paul Craig Roberts



April 24, 2025

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal - LewRockwell

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn. Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also...

www.lewrockwell.com

Same author, a day later;

According to the Financial Times Russian President Putin Has Signaled His Readiness to Sell Out His Country​

According to the Financial Times Russian President Putin Has Signaled His Readiness to Sell Out His Country |

www.paulcraigroberts.org

". . . This morning I wrote that Putin had so badly mishandled the Ukraine conflict that his only choice was surrender or military victory, a victory he has been avoiding for more than three years. If the Financial Times can be believed, Putin has chosen surrender, or perhaps more accurately, partial surrender or semi-surrender.

The Financial Times reports that “Vladimir Putin has offered to halt his invasion of Ukraine at the current front line as part of efforts to reach a peace deal with US President Donald Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.” [The Financial Times continues to display its ignorance or its partisanship by designating Russian military action limited to the Russian territories as an “invasion of Ukraine.” The Financial Times has proven so unreliable in its coverage that I cannot say I have confidence in this report.]

Moreover, the Financial Times reported that Putin told President Trump’s Special Envoy for Ukraine, Steve Witkoff, that Moscow could sweeten the deal by relinquishing Russia’s claims to areas of the four regions currently considered by the Kremlin to be part of Russia. This concession despite Putin himself having introduced constitutional amendments barring Russia from relinquishing claims to any of its territory.

Putin has yet again shown that nothing he says in defense of Russia means anything. All along Putin has said he would not accept any peace deal unless Ukraine withdrew its troops from the front lines and gave Moscow full control over the four provinces. Now suddenly Putin is willing to piss away a military victory and, perhaps, give back battlefield gains of Russian populated areas for a deal. This point is not clear. . . "

Vladimir Putin offers to halt Ukraine invasion along current front line​

US floats recognition of Russian annexation of Crimea as peace plan efforts continue

https://archive.ph/Tip5n

 

[rightwinger]

To stop dismantling Ukraine, piece by piece?

That tactic is costing him hundreds of thousands of lives

 

[MisterBeale]

That tactic is costing him hundreds of thousands of lives

Agreed. According to the FT piece, Putin has signaled he is ready to make a deal.

 

[Meister]

Billions now vs trillions later. Dictators don’t stop when they win.

Come on, comrade Kon. You can be honest on this message board,
we're all adults, it's really about redistributing the wealth, isn't it?

 

[Meister]

That tactic is costing him hundreds of thousands of lives

Neither one seems to really care, only Trump does.

 

[Zincwarrior]

To stop dismantling Ukraine, piece by piece?

He is not actually.

 

[mudwhistle]

I worked with a guy several years ago that was hooked on sex trips.
One being to Ukraine. Last I heard he knocked up some little girl
and needed money to pay off the parents in the Philippines.

I had a couple of gfs in the Philippines before I got married.
They were girls working in the city.
Best bet is find a decent girl in the country and bring her back to the US.
There's tons of them.
Once they work in Olongapo or Subic City for 8 or 10 years they're ruined.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Agreed. According to the FT piece, Putin has signaled he is ready to make a deal.

Well he has his key asset in place. His asset will demand he get everything. Then in two years he will attack again.

 

[rightwinger]

Neither one seems to really care, only Trump does.

Then why doesn’t he end it like he promised?

 

[Meister]

Then why doesn’t he end it like he promised?

It's not lack of trying on Trump's behalf. You can't admit to that, I know.
But, there are two other actors in this war that are of different opinions.
And those two are the principals, not Trump.

 

[MisterBeale]

Well he has his key asset in place. His asset will demand he get everything. Then in two years he will attack again.

 

[rightwinger]

It's not lack of trying on Trump's behalf. You can't admit to that, I know.
But, there are two other actors in this war that are of different opinions.
And those two are the principals, not Trump.

Why is he only a tough guy with Zelensky

 

[Zincwarrior]

Why? Thats exactly how its going.

Russia conquered Ukraine originally the same way, take a few bites off at a time. It was Catherine the Great who finished the process. Its Russian tradition.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Why is he only a tough guy with Zelensky

Exactly.