There will NOT be an Ukranian Peace Deal

[rightwinger]

Putin has no incentive to negotiate

He sees Trump as weak and impatient.
Just wait and Trump will grow bored and stop Ukrainian aid

 

[mudwhistle]

Come on, comrade Kon. You can be honest on this message board,
we're all adults, it's really about redistributing the wealth, isn't it?

I remember NPR doing stories on the UN 12 years ago.....and they were openly discussing the fleecing of America.

 

[mudwhistle]

Putin has no incentive to negotiate

He sees Trump as weak and impatient.
Just wait and Trump will grow bored and stop Ukrainian aid

I think you keep confusing Biden with Trump.

The only reason Biden was sending money to Ukraine was because of the kick-backs.

 

[rightwinger]

I think you keep confusing Biden with Trump.

The only reason Biden was sending money to Ukraine was because of the kick-backs.

I guess Putin makes you say that shit
Nobody else believes it

 

[kyzr]

Why is he only a tough guy with Zelensky

Because Putin has nukes and Zelensky doesn't, duh.

 

[theHawk]

Billions now vs trillions later. Dictators don’t stop when they win.

Are you admitting Zelensky is a dictator?


He cancelled elections and remained in office after his term expired. He jails opposition political opponents. He kills journalists he doesn’t like.

At least Putin has elections in his country.

 

[pknopp]

Isn't "stuff" paid for by US taxpayer dollars? We've given Billions of dollars to Ukraine. That's going to stop if Zelensky doesn't cut a deal. Trump is making that quite clear.

Yes this is a mess the Democrats got us into foolishly.

What is going to happen though is Trump will have no say. Lindsey will see to it that the money is in the budget.

 

[kyzr]

Putin has no incentive to negotiate
He sees Trump as weak and impatient.
Just wait and Trump will grow bored and stop Ukrainian aid

Zelensky has no claim to Crimea, it was Russia's until Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in 1954, the Crimeans speak Russian, NFW Zelensky takes it back. Trump's sanctions are hurting Putin. Sanctions are cheaper than military aid.

 

[rightwinger]

Zelensky has no claim to Crimea, it was Russia's until Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in 1954, the Crimeans speak Russian, NFW Zelensky takes it back. Trump's sanctions are hurting Putin. Sanctions are cheaper than military aid.

It was part of the USSR not Russia
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Crimea is part of that nation
You just don’t take it

 

[Meister]

Why is he only a tough guy with Zelensky

You are deflecting away from our discussion, RW.

 

[Donald H]

It's Trump's way of surrendering to Russia.

He can sell it to his flock as long as he calls it something else.

As long as Trump doesn't 'suffer' blowback from the pentagon and the military. This isn't going according to plan laid down by Bill Clinton!

 

[Man With A Plan]

Why is he only a tough guy with Zelensky

He's giving money to Zelensky and he's taking money away from Putin. He doesn't need to be tough. He simply needs to explain how things are and cut through all the bullshit. With the price of oil and natural gas going down Russia's economy is not going to be able to finance continued war. That's a fact. Zelensky can't survive continued war without support from the US. That is also a fact. You've got two leaders that are looking for the exit ramp from this conflict. Trump IS that exit ramp!

 

[MisterBeale]

Why? Thats exactly how its going.

Folks who's job it is to know, have thoroughly debunked any connection between Trump and Russia.

I just thought you knew this.

MoA - Putin Asks And Trump Delivers - A List Of All The Good Things Trump Did For Russia

". . . Only that Trump is controlled by Putin can explain why the FBI opened a counter-intelligence investigation against Trump (see section three).

That the FBI agents involved in the decision were avid haters of Russia and of Trump has surely nothing to do with it. That the opening of a counter-intelligence investigation gave them the legal ability under Obama's EO12333 to use NSA signal intelligence against Trump is surely irrelevant.

What the FBI people really were concerned about is Trump's public record of favoring Russia at each and every corner.

Trump obviously wants better diplomatic relations with Russia. He is reluctant to counter its military might. He is doing his best to make it richer. Just consider the headlines below. With all those good things Trump did for Putin, intense suspicions of Russian influence over him is surely justified.

Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese Entity Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019
When one adds up all those actions one can only find that Trump cares more about Russia, than about the U.S. and its NATO allies. Only with Trump being under Putin's influence, knowingly or unwittingly, could he end up doing Russia so many favors. . . "

https://archive.ph/CJqFI

Robert Mueller Did Not Merely Reject the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theories. He Obliterated Them.

Certain facts will never go away no matter how much media elites deny them. That Mueller charged no Americans with election conspiracy crimes is most fatal.

theintercept.com

https://archive.ph/lvN3X

The Sleazy Origins of Russia-gate​

The Sleazy Origins of Russia-gate

Exclusive: Official Washington’s groupthink is that Russian “disinformation” helped elect Donald Trump, but the evidence is actually much stronger that Russian “dirt” was helping Hillary Clinton, reports Robert Parry. By Robert Parry An irony of the escalating hysteria about the Trump camp

consortiumnews.com

Hypocrisy Behind the Russian-Election Frenzy​

Hypocrisy Behind the Russian-Election Frenzy

Exclusive: The madness sweeping Official Washington and the mainstream media about alleged Russian interference in the U.S. election is pervaded by breathtaking hypocrisy, writes Robert Parry. By Robert Parry As Democrats, the Obama administration and some neocon Republicans slide deeper i

consortiumnews.com

NYT Finally Retracts Russia-gate Canard​

NYT Finally Retracts Russia-gate Canard

Exclusive: A founding Russia-gate myth is that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that Russia hacked into and distributed Democratic emails, a falsehood that The New York Times has belatedly retracted, reports Robert Parry. By Robert Parry (Updated on July 1 with new NYT deception) T

consortiumnews.com

 

[Man With A Plan]

Putin has no incentive to negotiate

He sees Trump as weak and impatient.
Just wait and Trump will grow bored and stop Ukrainian aid

How do you think Putin continues to wage war when his revenues are being starved by Trump's energy policies, Winger? He's lost huge numbers of tanks. Just to replace them will bankrupt him if he doesn't have oil and natural gas money coming in. The oligarchs that support him do so because he's good for their bottom line. If he isn't then why would they support him going forward?

 

[Darkwind]

Billions now vs trillions later. Dictators don’t stop when they win.

There will be no trillions later as the fight escalates into nuclear conflict and then the billions becomes lives around the entire globe.

 

[rightwinger]

How do you think Putin continues to wage war when his revenues are being starved by Trump's energy policies, Winger? He's lost huge numbers of tanks. Just to replace them will bankrupt him if he doesn't have oil and natural gas money coming in. The oligarchs that support him do so because he's good for their bottom line. If he isn't then why would they support him going forward?

Russias economy cannot support an endless occupation of Ukraine
Putin cannot replace tanks, helicopters, munitions and he can’t replace soldiers.

Reason why a commitment to support Ukraine by Trump will force Putin to the bargaining table.

Something Trump will not do

 

[g5000]

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war

Gee, you don't think the invasion by mercenaries under the employ of Putin was war?

Fascinating!

And you think the rigged election was legitimate?

Fascinating!

So Hitler's invasion of the Sudetenland is legit to you? After all, Hitler used the exact same arguments for taking it.

 

[bendog]

You are deflecting away from our discussion, RW.

no it was not a deflection. Trump's given away his pressure on "Vladimer."

 

[g5000]

Putin's economy can only withstand another year, at most, before everything falls apart for him.

Trump's cult whines about inflation and the price of groceries.

In Russia, the central bank interest rate is 21 percent, and their inflation rate is 10.3 percent.

A huge chunk of Russian's GDP is the construction of war materiel which is nothing but burnt husks of metal now.

All that spending, and they have nothing to show for it.

 

[Meister]

no it was not a deflection. Trump's given away his pressure on "Vladimer."

RW was talking about Trump not ending the war as promised.