theists, please give us the creation of man theory

[ding]

No I read you right.

Then let's try again. You said:

Men created the gods. They needed something to keep them in line and have laws and they were unintelligent in ancient times.

I asked if you needed God to keep you in line or if it was your position it was only everyone else who needs God to keep us in line. You responded that you are educated. Is it your position that theists are uneducated?

Basically, Penelope, your assertion that man created an imaginary power to keep himself in line hasn't a leg to stand on. First, you would need to show that the average person has no self-discipline and cannot keep him or herself in line. Then you would need to show that those who have little self-discipline want a superior power to keep them in line. Consider they may well prefer to color outside the box, figuratively speaking, and the last thing they would want would be to be kept in line.

All I am pointing out is that if you want to to theorize that man created God, the reasoning you present for man creating God is weak--at best. It also shows contempt of your fellow human beings.

How does God , Jesus keep you in line?? By promising heaven if you are good. I believe men created gods, they thought the storm gods were angry with them, like Evans do now.

men DID create gods

It's not an accident that a universe being created from nothing with the laws of nature hardwired to produce intelligence popped into existence.

 

[Meriweather]

What I mean by I'm intelligent enough to know:
-that storms are not from the Gods
- that I don't talk to anyone but myself, I don't imagine voices of Jesus or delusions.
- that illness or death is from god.
- that I do not believe in the devil, but I think evil exists.
- and I don't believe everything that happens is for a master grand plan.
- and I don't believe in heaven or hell.
- etc.

• Most know storms are not sent by God(s).
• If someone feels God speaks (inspires) them, they are delusional. Not a chance you are not listening/hearing. (Listening in the figurative sense)
• Most know illness/death have a physical cause
• Most agree evil exists

You are not so very different from everyone else. As far as a Master Plan: Over the eons, do you see growth in mankind? Or, are we the same as we have always been.

The better question is not over a belief in heaven/hell but whether one believes in the afterlife. For example, I have a friend who believes that spirits, just like water, rise, mix together, and then return (probably in many different forms) to life on earth. Unlike reincarnation, this is not the entire spirit returning as a cockroach, for example, but that like water in a cloud it mixes and part might return as a snowflake, sleet, hail, etc, while another part returns as rain or mist. In other words, an entirely different spirit as it combines with other spirits.

None of this supports reasoning that people make things up in order to make themselves behave. I have found people do as they want. Some want to behave and some do not. Either group can sometimes be convinced to misbehave or to behave when normally their choice might be different.

 

[harmonica]

I never suggested the expansion of the universe created life, only that the chemical building blocks of life are produced in the universe.

Creation of life is the thread topic. What's your point?

And yes, denials aside, science has confirmed this.

Theories are not proof. We can only speculate on what we haven't actually encountered and studied.

You can choose to ignore the data but the data still exists.

Data exists, theoretical conclusions based on it are not necessarily facts.

There’s nothing about life on the planet that requires magic or supernaturalism as an explanation.

How did replicating life begin? An explosion?

The point is, nothing we understand about nature requires supernaturalism. Can you provide an example of a supernatural event?

There’s no speculation about the existence of life. We know with 100% certainty that life emerged on the planet. We know with certainty that the planet is billions of years old. We can explore how the beginnings of life were sparked by studying the processes that build life.

How do we study supernatural processes performed by gods that might have sparked life?

good call

The only way we can by studying what was created.

but you can't prove supernatural anything.....so you can't prove the supernatural created anything = you would be studying nothing

 

[Orangecat]

men DID create gods

Man created/invoked many gods throughout history to make sense of things they were unable to explain.
Science has explained some of those things, but is left wanting on others.
That neither proves nor disproves the existence of a higher power, regardless of the name we give it.
How did replicating life begin?

 

[ding]

No I read you right.

Then let's try again. You said:

Men created the gods. They needed something to keep them in line and have laws and they were unintelligent in ancient times.

I asked if you needed God to keep you in line or if it was your position it was only everyone else who needs God to keep us in line. You responded that you are educated. Is it your position that theists are uneducated?

Basically, Penelope, your assertion that man created an imaginary power to keep himself in line hasn't a leg to stand on. First, you would need to show that the average person has no self-discipline and cannot keep him or herself in line. Then you would need to show that those who have little self-discipline want a superior power to keep them in line. Consider they may well prefer to color outside the box, figuratively speaking, and the last thing they would want would be to be kept in line.

All I am pointing out is that if you want to to theorize that man created God, the reasoning you present for man creating God is weak--at best. It also shows contempt of your fellow human beings.

How does God , Jesus keep you in line?? By promising heaven if you are good. I believe men created gods, they thought the storm gods were angry with them, like Evans do now.

Wrong. He'd see right through that. If you love God everything will take care of itself in due time.

 

[ding]

I never suggested the expansion of the universe created life, only that the chemical building blocks of life are produced in the universe.

Creation of life is the thread topic. What's your point?

And yes, denials aside, science has confirmed this.

Theories are not proof. We can only speculate on what we haven't actually encountered and studied.

You can choose to ignore the data but the data still exists.

Data exists, theoretical conclusions based on it are not necessarily facts.

There’s nothing about life on the planet that requires magic or supernaturalism as an explanation.

How did replicating life begin? An explosion?

The point is, nothing we understand about nature requires supernaturalism. Can you provide an example of a supernatural event?

There’s no speculation about the existence of life. We know with 100% certainty that life emerged on the planet. We know with certainty that the planet is billions of years old. We can explore how the beginnings of life were sparked by studying the processes that build life.

How do we study supernatural processes performed by gods that might have sparked life?

good call

The only way we can by studying what was created.

but you can't prove supernatural anything.....so you can't prove the supernatural created anything = you would be studying nothing

Sure I can. It's a simple test. Is your life better with God or without God.

 

[harmonica]

What I mean by I'm intelligent enough to know:
-that storms are not from the Gods
- that I don't talk to anyone but myself, I don't imagine voices of Jesus or delusions.
- that illness or death is from god.
- that I do not believe in the devil, but I think evil exists.
- and I don't believe everything that happens is for a master grand plan.
- and I don't believe in heaven or hell.
- etc.

• Most know storms are not sent by God(s).
• If someone feels God speaks (inspires) them, they are delusional. Not a chance you are not listening/hearing. (Listening in the figurative sense)
• Most know illness/death have a physical cause
• Most agree evil exists

You are not so very different from everyone else. As far as a Master Plan: Over the eons, do you see growth in mankind? Or, are we the same as we have always been.

The better question is not over a belief in heaven/hell but whether one believes in the afterlife. For example, I have a friend who believes that spirits, just like water, rise, mix together, and then return (probably in many different forms) to life on earth. Unlike reincarnation, this is not the entire spirit returning as a cockroach, for example, but that like water in a cloud it mixes and part might return as a snowflake, sleet, hail, etc, while another part returns as rain or mist. In other words, an entirely different spirit as it combines with other spirits.

None of this supports reasoning that people make things up in order to make themselves behave. I have found people do as they want. Some want to behave and some do not. Either group can sometimes be convinced to misbehave or to behave when normally their choice might be different.

your friend believes in the afterlife = that's your evidence?

 

[harmonica]

I never suggested the expansion of the universe created life, only that the chemical building blocks of life are produced in the universe.

Creation of life is the thread topic. What's your point?

And yes, denials aside, science has confirmed this.

Theories are not proof. We can only speculate on what we haven't actually encountered and studied.

You can choose to ignore the data but the data still exists.

Data exists, theoretical conclusions based on it are not necessarily facts.

There’s nothing about life on the planet that requires magic or supernaturalism as an explanation.

How did replicating life begin? An explosion?

The point is, nothing we understand about nature requires supernaturalism. Can you provide an example of a supernatural event?

There’s no speculation about the existence of life. We know with 100% certainty that life emerged on the planet. We know with certainty that the planet is billions of years old. We can explore how the beginnings of life were sparked by studying the processes that build life.

How do we study supernatural processes performed by gods that might have sparked life?

good call

The only way we can by studying what was created.

but you can't prove supernatural anything.....so you can't prove the supernatural created anything = you would be studying nothing

Sure I can. It's a simple test. Is your life better with God or without God.

hahhahahah---obviously it's the same since there is no god

 

[ding]

men DID create gods

Man created many gods to make sense of things they were unable to explain.
Science has explained some of those things, but is left wanting on others.
That neither proves nor disproves the existence of a higher power, regardless of the name we give it.
How did replicating life begin?

That's true. The religion of the Sumerians was a god of gaps kind of god. It wasn't until God revealed Himself to Abraham that the answers to the origin questions started making sense.

 

[ding]

I never suggested the expansion of the universe created life, only that the chemical building blocks of life are produced in the universe.

Creation of life is the thread topic. What's your point?

And yes, denials aside, science has confirmed this.

Theories are not proof. We can only speculate on what we haven't actually encountered and studied.

You can choose to ignore the data but the data still exists.

Data exists, theoretical conclusions based on it are not necessarily facts.

There’s nothing about life on the planet that requires magic or supernaturalism as an explanation.

How did replicating life begin? An explosion?

The point is, nothing we understand about nature requires supernaturalism. Can you provide an example of a supernatural event?

There’s no speculation about the existence of life. We know with 100% certainty that life emerged on the planet. We know with certainty that the planet is billions of years old. We can explore how the beginnings of life were sparked by studying the processes that build life.

How do we study supernatural processes performed by gods that might have sparked life?

good call

The only way we can by studying what was created.

but you can't prove supernatural anything.....so you can't prove the supernatural created anything = you would be studying nothing

Sure I can. It's a simple test. Is your life better with God or without God.

hahhahahah---obviously it's the same since there is no god

If you don't test it for yourself no one else can do it for you, dummy.

It's not an accident that a universe being created from nothing with the laws of nature hardwired to produce intelligence popped into existence.

 

[harmonica]

men DID create gods

Man created/invoked many gods throughout history to make sense of things they were unable to explain.
Science has explained some of those things, but is left wanting on others.
That neither proves nor disproves the existence of a higher power, regardless of the name we give it.
How did replicating life begin?

if you can't prove there is a higher power--it's not there
and saying ''you can't disprove it'' is ridiculous
either you prove it's there or you are babbling
I can say all kinds of things like:
jesus served me breakfast on the moon--you can't disprove that, can you?

 

[miketx]

could a theist please give us a concise theory of creation of man....in about 10 sentences
IF you have one
thank you

First off, it was dark everywhere.
Then the dinosaurs started their crap but they were stupid and didn't know about ice ages or Newtons apple.
Finally I was born and the game has been afoot ever since.

 

[Meriweather]

Have you done your research?

Oh, yes. All your post is very old news and as I said before, simply skims the surface. But then, I have decades of interest in religion and the Gods of Greeks, Romans, and other cultures because the deeper I go the more interesting it has become. However, I also know that everyone has their own interests and hobbies and the time they consume. No one has time for everything, and it is unfair to insist they take time from their own hobbies to make time for mine.

 

[miketx]

men DID create gods

Man created/invoked many gods throughout history to make sense of things they were unable to explain.
Science has explained some of those things, but is left wanting on others.
That neither proves nor disproves the existence of a higher power, regardless of the name we give it.
How did replicating life begin?

if you can't prove there is a higher power--it's not there
and saying ''you can't disprove it'' is ridiculous
either you prove it's there or you are babbling
I can say all kinds of things like:
jesus served me breakfast on the moon--you can't disprove that, can you?

Yeah because you have no way to get to the moon let alone exist there. God won't allow it.

 

[Orangecat]

I never suggested the expansion of the universe created life, only that the chemical building blocks of life are produced in the universe.

Creation of life is the thread topic. What's your point?

And yes, denials aside, science has confirmed this.

Theories are not proof. We can only speculate on what we haven't actually encountered and studied.

You can choose to ignore the data but the data still exists.

Data exists, theoretical conclusions based on it are not necessarily facts.

There’s nothing about life on the planet that requires magic or supernaturalism as an explanation.

How did replicating life begin? An explosion?

The point is, nothing we understand about nature requires supernaturalism. Can you provide an example of a supernatural event?

There’s no speculation about the existence of life. We know with 100% certainty that life emerged on the planet. We know with certainty that the planet is billions of years old. We can explore how the beginnings of life were sparked by studying the processes that build life.

How do we study supernatural processes performed by gods that might have sparked life?

How did replicating life begin?

How Did Life Begin? RNA That Replicates Itself Indefinitely Developed For First Time

One of the most enduring questions is how life could have begun on Earth. Molecules that can make copies of themselves are thought to be crucial to understanding this process as they provide the basis for heritability, a critical characteristic of living systems. New findings could inform...

www.sciencedaily.com

Or, there’s always

The Gawds Did It

Your link does not provide any evidence of how replicating life began. It only shows a couple scientists have manipulated existing elements to mimic the process.

 

[harmonica]

men DID create gods

Man created/invoked many gods throughout history to make sense of things they were unable to explain.
Science has explained some of those things, but is left wanting on others.
That neither proves nor disproves the existence of a higher power, regardless of the name we give it.
How did replicating life begin?

if you can't prove there is a higher power--it's not there
and saying ''you can't disprove it'' is ridiculous
either you prove it's there or you are babbling
I can say all kinds of things like:
jesus served me breakfast on the moon--you can't disprove that, can you?

Yeah because you have no way to get to the moon let alone exist there. God won't allow it.

there is no way god could create a fully formed human

 

[harmonica]

men DID create gods

Man created/invoked many gods throughout history to make sense of things they were unable to explain.
Science has explained some of those things, but is left wanting on others.
That neither proves nor disproves the existence of a higher power, regardless of the name we give it.
How did replicating life begin?

if you can't prove there is a higher power--it's not there
and saying ''you can't disprove it'' is ridiculous
either you prove it's there or you are babbling
I can say all kinds of things like:
jesus served me breakfast on the moon--you can't disprove that, can you?

Yeah because you have no way to get to the moon let alone exist there. God won't allow it.

wrong--you didn't disprove it

 

[Orangecat]

The only way we can by studying what was created.

Reverse engineering an automobile does not disprove the existence of Henry Ford.

Spoiler

Yeah, I know Ford didn't invent the automobile, but my point stands.

 

[Hollie]

Have you done your research?

Oh, yes. All your post is very old news and as I said before, simply skims the surface. But then, I have decades of interest in religion and the Gods of Greeks, Romans, and other cultures because the deeper I go the more interesting it has become. However, I also know that everyone has their own interests and hobbies and the time they consume. No one has time for everything, and it is unfair to insist they take time from their own hobbies to make time for mine.

Ah. Do spend some time researching the Apostle Paul and his connection to Agnostos Theos. It adds an interesting dimension to Paul’s configuration of Christianity.

 

[Orangecat]

but you can't prove supernatural anything.....so you can't prove the supernatural created anything = you would be studying nothing

And yet you cannot prove the opposite, either. The point being, no man/woman knows the answers to these questions. Faith in god or faith in science, it's still just faith.