theists, please give us the creation of man theory

[Hollie]

Exactly right. Cultures invented many gods to explain what was mysterious and frightening, Would anyone say the gods of Greece and Rome and Babylon and the Norsemen are all “real” or were they made up to explain things that couldn’t readily be explained?

Have you researched the history of the Greek-Roman, Babylonian and Norse beliefs about their Gods?

Greek-Roman and Norse more than Babylonian. If you research your religion a bit, you will find direct lines connecting various religions with rituals, responsibilities of their respective gods and traditions common to most of them.

Have you invested much study in the Abrahamic gods? You might find it interesting that animal sacrifice in the Bible (as a way to appease the gods), has similarities to blót (animal sacrifice), in the Norse mythology.

The Romans were total hoots and were very liberal in their acceptance of many gods.

 

[ding]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

I certainty do not think it was a supernatural being. What do you consider God as??

My perception of God is that there no thing that can describe God because God is no thing. God is not matter and energy like us and God exists outside of our four dimension space time. In fact the premise is that God is no thing. That God is a spirit. A spirit is no thing. Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our third dimension than we - a four dimensional being - would in trying to understand a multi-dimensional being outside of our space time. The closest I can come to and later confirm with the physical laws is that God is consciousness. That Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

^^^^^^^ WORD SALAD ALERT!

That's what people say when they can't rebut it.

"God is no thing". I don't know whether to agree with that or not.

You must have missed my prediction that you couldn't comprehend it.

"Being things [you] can't possibly relate to being no things."

Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things.

 

[Taz]

You must have missed my prediction that you couldn't comprehend it.

"Being things [you] can't possibly relate to being no things."

Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things.

Of course I understand you, everyone that doesn't agree with your nonsense doesn't understand the topic, and you declare victory. We know how that one goes.

 

[Penelope]

Men created the gods. They needed something to keep them in line and have laws and they were unintelligent in ancient times.

Do you need someone to keep you in line? Or is it just for everyone else?

No I'm educated . And my parents kept me in line, my Dad always said, the only thing a person has is his integrity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact?

There are lots of threads where you can find that already. Grow a pair, and answer the question

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control

When was that? Most birth defects are genetic. So now you also have to connect those dots.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

My answer dates back thousands of years

and has stood the test of time

No, sorry. The Adam and Eve myth has been proven to be false.

 

[Meriweather]

No I'm educated . And my parents kept me in line, my Dad always said, the only thing a person has is his integrity.

You seem to be saying you are fine...what about everyone else? You don't need God to keep you in line, but everyone else does, and that is why someone invented God and the rest of us (obviously uneducated?) people fell for it?

 

[BreezeWood]

“General Theory of Supernatural Creation”

Anyone?

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the metaphysical ....

physiology disappears when the spiritual content is removed - for all living beings the same. Flora - Fauna.

 

[Penelope]

No I'm educated . And my parents kept me in line, my Dad always said, the only thing a person has is his integrity.

You seem to be saying you are fine...what about everyone else? You don't need God to keep you in line, but everyone else does, and that is why someone invented God and the rest of us (obviously uneducated?) people fell for it?

Yep. I see you admit the rest of you invented God. Glad to see it.

 

[Mac-7]

Most birth defects are genetic.

After giving it more thought I agree that there have always bern birth defects not caused by chemicals

but we settled that several days ago

 

[Mac-7]

The Adam and Eve myth has been proven to be false.

all knowing libs and their crystal ball again?

 

[Orangecat]

The gawds did it

The above refutes all that science n’ stuff.

A giant 'splosion created everything

The above is equally ludicrous.

 

[ding]

Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

I never heard that one before from you.

You STILL have no answer.

Saying I have no answer doesn't make it true.

You think deformed and retarded babies are a good thing. That's even worse than having no answer.

No. I think good comes from everything. You think handicapped babies are a bad thing.

Deformed, handicapped babies that live a short life in constant, torturing pain are not a good thing, you think they are.

You think they are bad thing. They make you uncomfortable. Would you like to place your hand over their mouths and snuff out their lives so you won't have to feel uncomfortable?

I want to know why god makes them.

No. You want to snuff out their lives because they make you uncomfortable. No wonder you can't see how anyone can love them.

I want to know why god makes them.

So that good can come from it. Same reason everything was made, dummy.

There was one guy a few years ago whose daughter was deformed retarded in a wheelchair, couldn't speak, and was in constant pain. This had been going on for 12 years. The doctors were scheduling here for another operation that wouldn't alleviate any pain, and probably make it worse, at least for a while. Then more surgeries... Basically, the doctors were experimenting on her. The dad took the child, put her in his truck and did the tailpipe thing. He got 10 years (this was in Canada), which was still insane. What good came out of that? Anything at all?

Love, dummy.

You're an idiot. Cum swallower.

Taz mad

 

[Hollie]

The gawds did it

The above refutes all that science n’ stuff.

A giant 'splosion created everything

The above is equally ludicrous.

Not at all. The expansion of the universe happened. We know that the elements for life are abundant in the universe, much of which is generated by the collapse and explosion of stars.

There's no magic or supernaturalism required.

 

[ding]

You must have missed my prediction that you couldn't comprehend it.

"Being things [you] can't possibly relate to being no things."

Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things.

Of course I understand you, everyone that doesn't agree with your nonsense doesn't understand the topic, and you declare victory. We know how that one goes.

Victory looks like this

You're an idiot. Cum swallower.

 

[Meriweather]

Greek-Roman and Norse more than Babylonian. If you research your religion a bit, you will find direct lines connecting various religions with rituals, responsibilities of their respective gods and traditions common to most of them.

Have you invested much study in the Abrahamic gods? You might find it interesting that animal sacrifice in the Bible (as a way to appease the gods), has similarities to blót (animal sacrifice), in the Norse mythology.

The Romans were total hoots and were very liberal in their acceptance of many gods.

The above is not research. It barely seems to scan an article or two. Animal and human sacrifice is hardly confined to any one area--or continent, even. Ask pre-Columbian scholars.

The point is that humans from many cultures speak of a greater, more powerful Being than we are. Some (and it appears the Greek and Romans were among them) seemed to hold the belief that the powerful in this life rose to an even greater power in the next. Others associated God(s) with natural disasters and that God(s) could be appeased by human actions. Jewish literature tells the story of Abraham and he and his family were in the business of selling Gods (totems, statuary of animals, mainly, that were thought to contain the spirit of the image).

If I am recalling the story correctly, one day when Abraham was in charge of the shop, his father returned to find the shop in shambles. His father demanded to know what he had done, and Abraham pointed to the lone standing statue and said, "He did it." For some reason, his father did not believe this. Abraham, however, held onto the belief of one God, not many.

 

[Meriweather]

I see you admit the rest of you invented God.

Hmm. Now we have a report on your eyesight? It appears it is not very good at all. No, as I pointed out before. God is what we observe, not invented. I do get that some do not see. We observe that in nature as well.

 

[Mac1958]

We. Don't. Know. Yet.

 

[Orangecat]

Not at all. The expansion of the universe happened.

That doesn't explain the creation of life. It's just an observation of movement and a guess at why it's happening.

We know that the elements for life are abundant in the universe, much of which is generated by the collapse and explosion of stars.

We all know that? No, you've been told that.
We've been to the moon.
Science has no credible explanation as to why cells inexplicably started to multiply and evolve into the complex life forms we see today. Why does life strive to survive and reproduce itself?

There's no magic or supernaturalism required.

That's an opinion. It can't be proven true or false. You don't know how life started, nor do I, nor do the scientists and religious leaders of the world. Don't allow yourself to be manipulated by those who know nothing more than you do regarding this.